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- ardarvin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+184It's so refreshing to see a pirating website on the offensive.
- ardarvin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+154I hope PirateBay sues Atari for all they've got...oh wait.
- Ironlink, on 10/10/2007, -2/+139already on the front page: http://digg.com/tech_news/ThePirateBay_org_files_c ...
- JiMiThInG, on 10/10/2007, -2/+131It would be funny to see TPB have more luck in court against these parties then they have had against our pirate friends.
- ekin09, on 10/10/2007, -6/+54He's right, but this is one story I don't mind seeing on the front page again.
- pigfister, on 10/10/2007, -6/+54DDoS attacks are illegal in the us, so is entrapment. the fbi should be hauling these ppl into jail and making the pay for crimes that have occurred on American soil.
Will they be prosecuted? of course not because American law reads like this:
"its ok for us to do it but not them"
its the same with American supported genocide and America continuing to make nuclear weapons. - Drull, on 10/10/2007, -1/+48Well, its about damn time.
- WizardGlick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37[TPB is full of idiot 14 year old members.]
So is your mom. - chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32They didn't steal it, It was leaked. BIG difference.
- elviaje, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31How did you obtain your expertise in Swedish law?
- michael1406, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31It doesn't matter, he mentioned ninjas.
- Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27You're right, but we're talking about Sweden here. I get the sense, from past PB legal issues, that the Swedish justice system is not nearly as deep in the pockets of corporations as the US justice system is.
- qwuinc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25It was, isn't anymore. Dugg.
- gamersedge, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24Yeah, ***** BMG and their cronies, they deserve to get their profits blasted for 1 quarter. DOS attacks, rootkits, its all *****. We need to let them know that us, their customers, the ones who they should value most, are not going to stand for this. WE WANT HONEST COMPANIES. BOYCOTT THIS *****.
- qwuinc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20Class action lawsuit against mediadefender for launching denial of service attacks against P2P users coming up next? :-P
- ortucis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18I would've. But I didn't.
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17We seem to have an abundance of Swedish lawyers here ... but in case it helps:
ec.europa.eu/comm/competition/cartels/studies/reports_sweden_en.pdf
"(iii) Limitations concerning form of evidence (e.g. does evidence have to be documentary to be admissible. Which witnesses can be called, e.g. the CEO of a company? Can evidence/witnesses from other jurisdictions be admitted/summoned?)
Parties may rely on virtually all kinds of documents, statements and occurrences in attempting to prove their case. The court in its discretion may freely evaluate the evidence presented by the parties. In other words, virtually all kinds of evidence are admissible and the parties cannot rely on any technical rules regarding admissibility of certain forms of evidence. Evidence obtained through discovery in other countries would be recognised by Swedish courts. Most likely, even evidence that have been illegally obtained would be admissible in Swedish courts." - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14It was obtained legally. Once it becomes public domain, regardless of how it came to fruition, it's valid evidence.
- bageloid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Not how it works in sweden, the judge gets to decide.
- offspring06, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Burnnnnn!!!
- michael1406, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21TPB is full of idiot 14 year old members. "OMFG yea! sew there asses! w00t! I love u PB!"
But it will be interesting to see how this plays out. - phlyngpngn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Are you talking about American law or Sweedish law?
- SniperSlap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13So long as it's a corporation committing the wrong, the USA is a-ok with that.
- Garfunkel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13yeah, but it needs more publicity i guess :)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12How is that different than Digg's?
- SSUK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Your spelling is "stuped" as well.
- ArchangelZLT, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Avada Kedavra!
- kashinc, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14Damn! who would have thought
- Baltiman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9To answer some of the posts contained in the forum of this link - yes the emails are probably admissiable as evidence certianly in the English Courts (which is why improperly obtained surveillance evidence can be admitted) although I am not certain pirate bay would be immune from investigation themselves - if there is any chance they either took part in the hack or are concealing the ID of those who did. If have just been passed this information their position is probably something akin to a journalist/newspaper - the Courts like to uphold the freedom of the press - whether on or offline
- bitORlogic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Two letters prove you wrong: O and J.
- josefresco, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7This story just keeps getting better! Each day I visit Digg there's a new layer to this onion of a PR disaster for Big Media (TM) and their paid thugs Media Defender.
I can't wait for tommorow .. - wpc105, on 10/10/2007, -13/+20Unfortunately it won't really matter. That information wasn't exactly obtained legally. While it's good to expose what these companies are doing, I wouldn't expect any police agency to act on it. Informing consumers of what is happening is really the best you can hope for.
- Fairly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Utterly ridiculous comment. Buried.
- hmmdar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7and the illegally obtained part only apply to the police, procurer, or defence
- 80hd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6MD has yet to show who took the information
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Please remember also that in most cases that illegally obtained evidence (the exclusionary rule) is used against police officers that have not had the proper warrants and are part of the prosecution. In this case, the documents were illegally taken by a group of hackers, made public domain and then obtained by Pirate Bay. i.e. Pirate Bay broke no laws and is the prosecution in this instance. I think the Swedish courts will allow them to be used, especially since the police have already been called to investigate MediaDefender legally. They're screwed. But we all knew that, right?
What I'd like to know is the condition of Swedish prisons and how inmates are treated on average? - totallyspotless, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13Problem: Big studio lawyers > Pirate Bay lawyers
- nosecohn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6> We seem to have an abundance of Swedish lawyers here
LOL! - AntBing, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Wrong, you fail. Feel free to try again later.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/140800.html - Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Not surprising, Microsoft is in a whole different ballpark where the concept of ethics is concerned...
- insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'd definitely check google's TOS before saying a gmail account is private property.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The evidence was not illegally obtained, contrary to what most people think.
If someone breaks into your machine and say they leak the entire contents to public domain... well, it CAN be used.
Illegally obtaining evidence only applies to law enforcement searching for something to slap on ya. Doesn't apply to average joe getting into your machine then spreading data around. - cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5ec.europa.eu/comm/competition/cartels/studies/reports_sweden_en.pdf
"Evidence obtained through discovery in other countries would be recognised by Swedish courts. Most likely, even evidence that have been illegally obtained would be admissible in Swedish courts." - cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5ec.europa.eu/comm/competition/cartels/studies/reports_sweden_en.pdf
"Evidence obtained through discovery in other countries would be recognised by Swedish courts. Most likely, even evidence that have been illegally obtained would be admissible in Swedish courts." - Fairly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5They could still do it because they have the Internet and the Internet is LAW.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Oh, the ***** irony
- du4l1ty, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Anyone else have the feeling that the person that cracked media defender just saved it all until the weeks around talk like a pirate day?
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