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- Sublex, on 03/02/2009, -3/+379"The defense disagreed."
No *****. - RandomLife, on 03/02/2009, -1/+304"He began by saying that the trial is not about file-sharing technology, but about how it is used..."
He's right, it's not about the technology but how it is used. The use of bittorrent is dependent on the original seeder - the owners of TPB never seeded any copyright infringing torrents. TPB servers never held a single byte of actual infringing content.
The only question here is how well the judge familiarized himself with the technology. - DouglasQ, on 03/02/2009, -3/+201from article;-
Roswall declared the site made at least 5 million kroner, and probably more like 10 million, to which Gottfrid responded, “Where is my ten million, please, I want it, where is it?”
...Awesome. - Shadowgamers, on 03/02/2009, -4/+182>Roswall called for a confiscation of TPB hardware
If TPB falls, it''ll rise again even stronger than before. Nice of the IFPI to try though even if they will fail. - Orsenfelt, on 03/02/2009, -3/+167"The police can’t possibly go after all TPB’s users and the defendants are therefore responsible for the whole damage claim, he argued, adding that they are free to claim money from their users."
The Police are incapable of prosecuting the actual criminals, so they just let someone else take the fall instead? Surely that's not legal. - BlackJackJester, on 03/02/2009, -0/+151The pirate bay is guilty of : Mocking copyright holders and being completely apathetic to their claims to lost revenue, not actively stopping copyrighted material from being transferred as a result of their service, and being pretty huge (and awesome) dicks to people who are at war with their own consumers.
TPB is not guilty of: breaking the law. It's not illegal to be a dick or an *****. It's not illegal to host a tracker. I'm pretty sure you could google search and commit much much worse crimes just from that than merely copying some bytes. - RealmDown, on 03/02/2009, -4/+135They certainly do. But the Judge is biased and will probably let the prosecution off without any penalty.
- hitkaiser, on 03/02/2009, -0/+123With IKEA Furniture
- yabos, on 03/02/2009, -0/+121100Mbit fiber to the jail cell.
- chrisn750, on 03/02/2009, -4/+115http://tinyurl.com/cq96ev
:D - tj111, on 03/02/2009, -9/+107***** THE RIAA
- Iggins, on 03/02/2009, -0/+91Oh noes! You caused me to commit copywrite infringement!!
- Grooblle, on 03/02/2009, -1/+76Boring troll is boring
- Flipperbw, on 03/02/2009, -1/+66Piratebay is down.
- redcodenl, on 03/02/2009, -3/+65They have no bit of copyright infringed material on their servers... For example the internet providers are more guilty then the Pirate Bay, the providers actually transported the copyrighted material! Why not sue them?
- inactive, on 03/02/2009, -6/+67FTA
'Danowsky further added that the number of [torrent files linking to] copyrighted works on TPB is much greater than the prosecutor decided to bring in as evidence.'
The number of links provided are much greater on Google though - and this still hasn't convinced me that TPB stores all the content on their servers. - scrubadub, on 03/02/2009, -0/+60I think the initial raid actually helped them plan for a larger scale problem like this could be (if they are convicted). If they never had any problems with authority before this point they wouldn't have made everything so redundant by now.
- Murdats, on 03/02/2009, -1/+61so its time to arrest anyone who works at the postal service?
- AmazingSteve, on 03/02/2009, -0/+59Wrong, you are raped daily by Vikings.
- blah247, on 03/02/2009, -3/+60They could reopen it and call it 'Prison Booty Bay'.
- l034me, on 03/02/2009, -0/+55Cold?
- Azathothh, on 03/02/2009, -0/+50with cute blond girls as prison guards?
- subliminalurge, on 03/02/2009, -2/+51I know. Shocking, right? I mean, that NEVER happens!
- AirRaven, on 03/02/2009, -0/+48Most of the sites reporting on the trial are likely to be slanted towards TPB's cause, mind.
- Grooblle, on 03/02/2009, -6/+54Gottfrid responded dryly, “I was surprised that the nasty old man did not ask for more, I expected he would require two years in prison but he asked for only one!”
:D - theaceoffire, on 03/02/2009, -0/+45It is not, and please don't call me Shirley.
- MikeSD34, on 03/02/2009, -0/+44If I'm not mistaken though, one of the claims is not copyright infringement but willful facilitation there of, which I believe is against the law in Sweden (I'm not a lawyer and certainly not a swedish one). The way I understand it, the case really hinges on whether or not they knowingly setup the site for the purposes of facilitating others in breaking copyright law.
The other is whether or not they made any money doing so, and if both are true, what sort of damages are considered appropriate.
I hate the music/movie industry too but if they didn't have inept lawyers, they might have actually had a case here. - theundone, on 03/02/2009, -0/+43lol notice none of those search results even point to TPB.
- failtrain, on 03/02/2009, -0/+43Awesome, they can continue to run TPB from jail!
- elmuerte17, on 03/02/2009, -1/+42cute blond Viking girls?
- ElBeh, on 03/02/2009, -2/+43I can't see how anyone could possibly take the allegation that The Pirate Bay is making tens of millions from the site seriously.
- mystdragon333, on 03/02/2009, -0/+39Help! Some guys are now trying to kick down my front door!
- madzack, on 03/02/2009, -0/+38what is jail in Sweden like anyways?
- deslock, on 03/02/2009, -3/+40You obviously don't get their defense then. It is ideological to them. Not a profit center or business and they aren't doing it to make money.
They sincerely believe Copyright is BS. Not because they want to make money off of it but because of the principle of it. If today's copyright laws existed the same in history, we wouldn't be allowed to make copies of Huck Finn. Or imagine paying royalties for Shakespeare? Where does it stop? According to the constitution patents are supposed to be limited time and only to promote innovation. The first terms used to be 14 years. They are now 75 years from the death of the last copyright holder. Retroactive. And they continue to extend it each time Mickey Mouse gets close to being public domain.
The prosecution was baffled because they couldn't believe that four people would randomly want to do this work without some kind of corporate structure, some boss to report to and no business plan. - Grooblle, on 03/02/2009, -1/+37Better food than in our schools, Playstation/xbox games, free education, you don't share a cell with other inmates etc. I would say it's pretty good compared to other countries.
.. Also cold. - jerrycan, on 03/02/2009, -0/+35I think they'll win this case, but International pressure (re. USA) will lead Swedish gov't to investigate them for Tax evasion. They have to be making a *****, given all the interesting singles I can meet in my area that advertise on their site.
- nif90, on 03/02/2009, -6/+40
Whats the point????, People won't stop downloading music and movies even if they go to jail!!!! - mebethekoko, on 03/02/2009, -1/+34@Murdats
I was thinking it was time to arrest the auto manufactures. You wouldn't believe the numbers of crimes their cars help facilitate. - subliminalurge, on 03/02/2009, -2/+35"whether or not they knowingly setup the site for the purposes of facilitating others in breaking copyright law."
Honestly, doesn't the name of the site itself pretty much answer that question?
Don't get me wrong, I've got several hard drives full of pirated software/movies/music/etc.... I'm not trying to take the moral high ground here. But come on, everyone knows what TPB is for, and for them to claim otherwise is ridiculous. - CRCulver, on 03/02/2009, -1/+33"....compliance with the industry and DMCA notices"
The DMCA is an American law. This is all going on in Sweden. - wildroversgroup, on 03/02/2009, -2/+32The Pirate Bay server went down as of today 2nd. March 18:00 GMT.Reference coming soon.
- Solkre, on 03/02/2009, -0/+28Agreed, worst trolling attempt in a long time.
- ElBeh, on 03/02/2009, -2/+30Of course. The coverage on Ars is really good if you want to catch up, BTW. Torrentfreak gives daily updates, though, while Ars only writes an article when something really important happens in the case.
- shandromand, on 03/02/2009, -0/+27Blizzard would probably sue them for copyright infringement.
- AmazingSteve, on 03/02/2009, -1/+27"The testimony of media Professor Roger Wallis, who stated that the entertainment industry doesn’t suffer any losses from piracy, is debatable Danowsky said. Instead, he puts more trust in the record company executives he consulted in the past. “Wallis’ 30 percent guest professorship at KTH provides about as much credibility as something on par with a newspaper editorial,” said Danowsky."
Funny how if this guy had trotted out and industry line, they would have been hailing him as a ***** genius. His Guest preofessorship STILL trumps Danowsky's NO PROFESSORSHIP. - s73v3r, on 03/02/2009, -1/+27Then its your fault for lending him your CD. You should have known that your friend was a thieving, dirty pirate scumbag. Don't you do regular background checks on your friends before you lend stuff out?
Remember, when you're sharing CDs, you're sharing COMMUNISM with HITLER! - theaceoffire, on 03/02/2009, -1/+26Which is silly...
"I am suing the roads, because people can drive on them with stuff!"
Or worse:
"I am suing bathrooms, because people can write messages about illegal stuff on the wall!" - deslock, on 03/02/2009, -1/+26Better example, I leave my car unlocked so I'm responsible for the thief that used it to commit robbery.
I lent my friend my CD I just bought and he ripped it... I'm to blame.
I left my book on the front doorstep so the thief that picked it up... my bad not hers.
In America, you aren't responsible if you leave a loaded gun on your front porch (with a sign above it saying "steal me") and it is taken and used for a major crime.
But I'm responsible and will serve jail time if someone accesses and copies a legitimate mp3 of a song I own? - joe7845, on 03/02/2009, -0/+23The ISPs are also making the material available, are they not?
I think it comes down to allowing it to be searchable. But then I'm sure you can find a lot of material that infringes on someone's copyright via Google. -
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