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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+229"According to first hand reports, the servers have been confiscated by Swedish police, who are looking to see if the site operators have broken any criminal laws."
Guilty until proven guilty. - bairy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+134@mapkinase
"Everybody knows that people are using all torrent sites with copyright infringement."
Guess again: http://www.legaltorrents.com/
Whilst the majority of torrent indexing sites do hold the index of copyrighted files, saying all of them do is false and damaging to the bittorrent protocol.
As for TPB, I thought it was legal to hold the .torrent files because they aren't copyrighted, only the content which they aren't sharing is. I know anti-piracy people will say that's nitpicking but that's technically correct isn't it? - pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+94@theone3: As disgusted as you may be with a type of crime, YES, the rules apply to EVERYONE, that's why they're rules. I can't speak for the law there as I live in the US but a pedophile has just as much of a right to a fair trial as a jaywalker. That's the rule. You can't try to enforce laws if you're not consistent with them.
Edit: But yes, I agree with the rest of the things you're saying. My only point is that the law can not discriminate between different kinds of crimes. - shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+76
"Which corporation would stand for this?", asks Rickard Falkvinge, head of the Swedish Pirate Party. "Which corporation would stand for having the police raid their facitilies and shut down operations, before they were proven guilty of a crime? In this case, the Pirate Bay has commited no crime. They are disliked by large media interests, that's correct. But it's not illegal to be disliked..., and definitely not cause for the Police to raid and shut down one of the world's largest gathering places for our young generation."
"This is exactly the kind of raids the Pirate Party wants to put an end to", Rick concludes. "When society sends its police at the young generation for their listening to music and watching movies, it's not the young that are in error. It's society that needs to get a grip."
well said. - CaptHappy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+73Wether they were distributing child porn, pro-democracy, pro-communist, anarchist, political, economic, or social information they still have the right to due process. If the authorities obtained the correct warrants and followed due process then great, but if not, then it is rediculous to raid someone just to find out if they were doing something illegal. Sometimes it is hard to support freedom because people will use emotional ploys to convince others that it is ok to give up freedom.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+70"And let's get real here, PirateBay is very guilty. Copyright infringement is wrong, and PirateBay facilitated that and flaunted cease-and-desist letters it received, mean the people's whose rights were being violated--copyright holders--were ignored."
Ok, if you and the RIAA/MPAA money say so. Because the Swedish law sure doesn't. - Vertabreaker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64Kind of sucks, but as most have said before...when one falls...2 will rise to take it's place.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57I don't understand how a court (in any country) can authorize putting a company out of business to investigate a claim of wrong-doing. Confiscating all the servers, instead of asking for copies/dumps of drives and backups, puts them out of business until the issue is resolved. How can this not be interpreted as corrupt?
- MrBound, on 10/12/2007, -1/+53As has been said before, you cannot buy this kind of favorable press. The Pirate Party's really going to see a windfall in the elections.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38No doubt, vertabreaker. In fact, the system of downloading is even better now than it used to be. Remember how ***** and unreliable napster was? I would barely get 3 kbps downloads on there. Now I can dl entire games! Methinks the enforcement is losing this battle.
- caytchen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40Would you please f*ckin understand this?
1. Nothing is breakin any laws. The only thing TPB stores are TorrentFiles. They only contain hashes identifying parts of a file and some general info about the tracker that has to be contacted in order to get the peers. Not more, not less.
2. TPB is giving out IP's of peers connected with a torrent being run on their tracker if a client want's to participate in an torrent. Again, I can't see anything illegal in that.
You can't sue a knife-producer if somebody is killed with a knife. Same for TPB. - Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43There is a major difference in the two cases of a paedophile site and a torrent site. You may think there is none, but there is a clear difference.
The difference is, the law has not been 100% decided yet on this matter. The police merely came in, confiscated the servers, and left. In the instance of the paedophile site, the police would have come in, confiscated the servers, and ARRESTED the man for breaking the law. These guys WERE NOT ARRESTED because the police DON'T KNOW if any law was actually broken or not.
Saying nobody knows if they showed a warrant or not is just ignorance as well...
http://www.thepiratebay.org.nyud.net:8080/
"In the morning of 2006-05-31 the Swedish National Criminal Police showed a search warrant to Rix|Port80 personnell. The warrant was valid for all datacentres of Rix|Port80 and was directed at The Pirate Bay. The allegation was breach of copy-right law, alternatively assisting breach of copy-right law. "
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"The necessity for securing technical evidence for the existance of a web-service which is fully official, the legality of which has been under public debate for years and whose principals are public persons giving regular press interviews, could not be explained. Asked for other reasoning behind the choice to take down a site, without knowing wether it is illegal or not, the officers explained that this is normal."
Saying "it's normal" only scares me more... - RCourtney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Let's put this in terms everyone can understand...
Take some kid on the street (torrent search engine)... and a drug dealer (the actual distribution of a torrent). It IS illegal to sell drugs. It is NOT illegal for the kid to say "You can get drugs from that guy over there."
Get it?
And before the nitpickers comment - no, I am not in any way honestly comparing torrents to drug dealers - this is nothing more than an illustrative example for those who cannot see beyond the confines of their own moral outrage. - Doriath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34@aeiri
"These guys WERE NOT ARRESTED because the police DON'T KNOW if any law was actually broken or not."
Perhaps you should take a moment to read the article? - Sagarian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34"One PirateBay Enters! Two PirateBays Leave!"
- MrBound, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Not illegal in Sweden! No surprise he doesn't mention it.
Immoral, perhaps, but not illegal. - Tiabin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27War spurs innovation.
- hugotheschmugo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32Michael Bolton? Perhaps you should take a look at ThePirateGay?
- SnowSurfns, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24we need a pirate party in the USA
viva la pirate ;) - gowans007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24outragous, were can I make a donaton for legal support?/??
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23But I think his point is that potentially millions can be lost in such a search procedure that stops business, but no one is held accountable if nothing is found, and only the accused business suffers from the false positive. In which case, I think he's absolutely right.
- Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Or in the case of Suprnova, take one down, 100's will rise to take it's place!
- jbrocket99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21I always though it was funny that they use armed police officers to raid these places, I think 50 cops is a bit much to overpower a few technicians sitting in front of a computer screen...lol
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22So if Intel calls the "copyright police" and says that they have reason to believe that nVidia is infringing on their copyrights and distributing copies of portions of their software, it's OK for nVidia's computers to be confiscated and the company shutdown?
Even defending yourself successfully in such a case means that a company will lose tremendous market share and customer base. There is no reason that needs to be done. Police representatives can monitor the creation of backups (or split RAID1 pairs and take a drive), getting all the information they need. What additional information can they derive from CPUs, motherboards, Ethernet cards, monitors, etc.? The only reason to seize servers is to punish before conviction - in other words to commit a crime - to be corrupt in the administration of justice. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22"Those words are conscious twisting of facts. Everybody knows that people are using all torrent sites with copyright infringement. You are probably have your eyes shut in the room with an elephant."
The biggest elephant gets revealed when the thing "everybody knows" turns out to be false. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19So... everyone gonna move over to mininova.org or what? Glad I haven't downloaded anything in a while, but serioulsy, everyone knows that when one goes down we ALL move to the next best place and make it the best place, same with file share protocols
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22We better start thinking of names for the dozens of sites that will popup to replace this one. Here's a few ideas:
ThePiratesCafe.com
ThePiratesSpot.com
ThePiratesDock.com
ThePiratesShip.com
ThePiratesLounge.com
ThePiratesCantinia.com
ThePiratesBar.com
ThePiratesPlace.com - Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Try this
Go to google.
Type in the name of a popular movie followed by "filetype:torrent".
Run the search.
See! Google is just like PirateBay!
OGM! - garnie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Well according to Swedish laws, it's not illegal to host .torrent files.
- JohnnyVu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23ThePirateBay will come back more powerful than ever.
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17You don't appear to understand how BT works. It's more like someone is selling a treasure map with all the pointers on where to get the pieces of the vase. And they aren't selling it. And the vase isn't stolen, it's a perfect replica.
*sigh* - Scourge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17It's not illegal in their country, not everyone is in bed with the US Gov't.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@MrBound
"Immoral, perhaps, but not illegal."
I don't buy that all file sharing is immoral. If it were up to the MPAA and the like, they'd force us to charge admission and mail it to the studios when we invite our friends over to watch a DVD. If you can borrow a CD from the library for free, why is it illegal to do the same for a friend? I argue that sharing for private use is moral and should be legal everywhere.
I draw the line at using commercial software for commercial purposes. It's not right to use pirated software in order to run a business. If commercial software is making you money then the author deserves compensation. - Philoushka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14PirateSnakesOnAPlane.com
- dolphumous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Politics as usual.
- Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The "hoax" article is dated: "1 June 2005 12:29 by Ketola".
That was a previous hoax they did about being raided. So far, this looks legit. - klang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14100 torrent sites on the web 100 torrent sites
they take one down and shake it around
121 torrent sites on the web
121 torrent sites on the web 121 torrent sites
they take one down and shake it around
179 torrent sites on web ..
.. the tighter you grip, the more will slip through your fingers. - lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The difference is, buddy, and I agree with you, but the difference is - a pedophile isn't a pedophile until he's proven to be a pedophile.
A suspected pedophile is just like you and me. As far as the law is and should be concerned, a suspected pedophile did nothing wrong -yet. - id000001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Your analogy is flawed.
1) It is not the man who did the glueing up the vase got arrested, it is the man sold him the glue who got arrested. - ochito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Any evidence to that respect?
- cyclotron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13While I cant condone piracy , this kinda sucks.... At least ABC and some other networks are starting to make tv available. I have used ABC and its good enough. As a Mac user, my options are limited.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Hmm how many seats would TPB win in the elections?
- zefiris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12...So... time to rehost in another country then ;-)
- nphp20, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14TPB did NOT technically have anything illigal on their servers! All they had were essentially pointers to the copyrighted material, but they were not hosting any copyrighted material on their own servers. Which means there would have not been any need for them to clear off their servers, not that they would have been able if they were raided with little or no warning.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11If and when TPB is found innocent I hope they sue the police for lost revenue due to confiscating the servers illegally.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Suprnova wasn't shut down forcefully. The proprietors closed up shop because they feared they would be arrested. The eDonkey site ShareReactor was shut down.
- Lyianis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13See the reason your getting dugg down (by me at least, i can't speak for others) is due to you criticizing and making assumptions about an organization you know nothing about.
The Pirate Parties goals include such things a reforming copyright laws(not abolishing) back to something resembling their original form (aka 5 years instead of lifetime 70 years) with strong protections for fair use.
Heavily reforming the patent system(abolishing it in some area's such as software patents) and protection from unsubstantiated raids (such as the topic). - butlershouse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17wow thank god Lost ended last week !
- form51, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12vvaduva,
I'll agree that I do see some hypocrisy in this thread. I'll also agree that even though TPB may not have broken any laws in their country, they are aiding in the illegal aquisition of software/music/movies et cetera. However, what you fail to mention (assuming this isn't a hoax) is the way the police obtained the servers and the way the whole situation was dealt with is quite alarming. In fact, I think that is where most of the outrage is stemming from.
Also, generalizing all of us as 'Euro commies' and berating people on 'the real world' doesn't help your credibility. People tend to digg down such nonsensical comments.
Love,
Form - Kolar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11 Linux is mainly transfered over torrent so no, not all torrent downloading is illegal.
No one thinks professionally produced media should be completely free, a single CD or DVD shouldn't be 29.99 or even 19.99$. The Mp3s I have are complete crap quility compared to a CD, but I would never buy a CD ever or any physical media. Should I go without or should I get some "illegal", crappy quility rip off? You're right only on this point that the massive monetary losses by the recording and film industry are not only hyped by this but they are artificially created.
I don't think anything matters but what people think. Our society has to change, public opinion is changing and it's in favor of our media being controlled less and less by those out there selling us this over priced crap. -
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