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- qwuinc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+311"Brokep: That you can’t fight file sharing. You have to join it, embrace it and adopt to it. It’s the only way, like it or not. It’s not going away, it’s grows every day and it’s for a good reason - the people want it. And the people are their customers, why fight them? Listen to them."
Quoted for truth. - commiecat, on 10/10/2007, -8/+118"We have something called “fri bevisprövning” in Sweden which means that evidence, no matter how they’re obtained, can be used."
That's f'n awesome. - mediablitz, on 10/10/2007, -5/+90"A customer is defined as a someone who buys something."
Want to be myopic? I bought a computer, router, and an Internet connection, therefore I am a customer. The world has changed. Change with it. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+80I hope they win, then the big companies will learn not to mess with the pirates bay (and us)!
- indiefan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+69talk about kicking them while they're down. love it.
- notque, on 10/10/2007, -3/+68I hope Media Companies are sentenced to walk de plank.
- Kasot, on 10/10/2007, -4/+45TorrenFreak is on the front page every other day these times :)
- SPECOPS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37Correct, so if I pay $Xx.xx to go see a movie/buy a dvd/cd, why can't i download it just because they do not want to lose how it is distributed?
- scoot2006, on 10/10/2007, -6/+41Dugg for proper use of the word "myopic". Hooray intelligent conversation!
- actorboy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+39Seems like the concept offers a lot of potential for abuse. Illegal search and seizure, for example. Anyone know its parameters?
- goat2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+31since when did the united states have jurisdiction in sweden
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+33...Yar harr, fiddle-d-y-...d ......
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26That's just it though. It IS my decision, because if you won't sell it to me online in a free format, you don't get to sell it to me at all. You can own the copyright all you want, but you can't force customers to do things your way. They're the ones paying you for something of value to themselves.
- onisamsha, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24here...
OO
have some swedish meatballs, troll
/feeding trolls - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24Amen
- Aetrius, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22For anyone interested in what "fri bevisprövning" truely implies:
"According to the Swedish Code of Judicial Procedure (Rättegångsbalken, SFS 1942:740) Chapter 35Section 1 the court shall, after evaluating everything that has occurred in accordance with the dictates of its conscience, determine what has been proved in the case. The provision contains the principle offree sifting of evidence (fri bevisprövning), which entails free submission of evidence (fri bevisföring) and free valuation of evidence (fri bevisvärdering).
There are some exemptions from the principle of free sifting of evidence. The court shall, for example,reject a proof if it finds that a circumstance that a party offers to prove is without any significance inthe case, or if an item of evidence offered is unnecessary or evidently should be of no effect. The courtmay also reject an item of evidence offered if the evidence can be presented in another way withconsiderably less trouble or costs.
In other words, the principal rule entails that any proof, without limitations, can be presented beforethe court and the court is not bound by any regulations when determining the value of the item of evidence. The Swedish legal system does not prescribe that it is forbidden to present an item of evidence which the party has got hold of while breaking the law. Neither is the court prevented fromascribing such a proof a great value."
Source: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:lUCIAt6d9LoJ:e ... (PDF in HTML view) - banq59, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22The thing is pirate bay is just hosting links that facilitate file sharing. They are not stealing copyrighted material or even hosting the files. They just make it easier for pirates to get to what they want. In there country this is not illegal. They have been hacked and ddos'd, which is illegal and they are taking legal measures against those who performed the illegal acts.
- Jonsblckhwk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22If they are price gouging, they will get what is coming to them.
- mrdog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21this is going to be fun
- gothicform, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20Ummm aren't they Swedish. Why'd RIAA move to the USA to avoid Swedish law? Ahhh that'd be because they are American.
- Jonsblckhwk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Suck it MD.
- picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18and deservedly so!! Arrrrrrrrr
- banq59, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Nope. They didn't break a law by facilitating file sharing in sweden. The large companies did by electronically attacking them. See the difference.
- cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17The land of chocolate, vikings, polar bears, and big breasted blond chicks. Oh and the whole copyright laws, sorry was distracted by the blond chicks.
- WizardGlick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17A shutdown of filesharing? Never. Will. Happen. You shills crack me up.
- banq59, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Dear Media-Defender,
get off digg, tia
love,
digg - Nanobe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think The Pirate Bay was in Sweden from day 1.
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Who says I'm taking it for free? I just buy something else somewhere else.
And who's crying? That's right, the hucksters who can't peddle their crap anymore. - OutThisLife, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16I think you mean "yarr."
- iticu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15They could sell the CD's cheaper.
Seriously, that's all most people want. - AlmostEvil, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14How so?
Merely providing links to something is not illegal in Sweden, however hacking, ddos'ing etc is illegal in pretty much every single country on the planet. Frankly, the people doing wrong here are mediadefender and the various companies who have hired them. - picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15A customer means someone who you ordinarily do business with- someone you are accustomed to; someone who belongs. The people I distribute free food to from the church are technically my "customers" but of course I would never try to charge them any money.
- optikon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15They actually are from Sweden, so they didn't move there to avoid the law.
- rnnbob, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15i am sure it does more good than harm when a little bit of evidence is all it takes to put a murderer away.
- chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -13/+26That's one of the worse laws I've ever seen. It's wide open for abuse.
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Learn to understand what it means to own the copyright to something? It means you got a limited monopoly from the government you registered the copyright with. Outside that government's jurisdiction, your mileage may vary.
- ironhide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13No matter what the subject at hand is you always manage to show what an ignorant ***** you are.
- mediablitz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13"it's having the mentality that everything should be freely sharable"
Where did I say that? How about sticking with a conversation thread? I just took his unbelievably narrow minded definition of "customer" to its logical conclusion.
I HAVE copyrighted material. How about you? I HAVE worked on products that were both purchasable AND free. How about you? How about this: next time you jump in with ***** to say, you try to abstain from deciding the history of the person in the conversation? It makes for actual discourse... - commiecat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12I understand that people immediately think of how laws can be abused and come to the conclusion that if it can be exploited then it must be bad.
The law in America is also abused, and it's a far more destructive result. While I'm probably not in a position to read such things, I don't think I've ever heard stories about Swedish police abusing this law. I've read countless American cases that result in a critical piece of evidence being discarded because the proper paper work wasn't filed.
IMHO, I'd rather have the Swedish police be able to enforce the law by obtaining criminal evidence however they deem necessary than have criminals be able to hide behind the opposite. Let's not forget that we're talking about CRIMINAL EVIDENCE here -- not just any ol' things you might be hiding in your closet. Also, if not for this law, TPB would have absolutely no case. - sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12A pirate sues for me.
- phnx0221, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11To the recording artists who put so much time and effort into making their music, and then to only get a 1% payment out of the CD sales (or something like that, I'll look it up for sourcing, but I do know that it is an incredibly small amount), it seems like those very same recording companies are giving away their music for free. Except, they're not. And the money made from those $18.99 Cd's, are for the most part, going straight to those recording companies, not the artists.
Piracy allows for art to be seen and heard, by millions of people. And it isn't contingent upon Press Releases, MTV spots, or paid radio play. If people like it, they like it, listen to it, and will go to their concerts where higher percentages of the money made actually does go to the artists.
This is just repeating the obvious, but the media companies only have their panties in a bunch over the immorality of theft, because they're the ones who are being robbed of their millions of dollars. NOT the recording artists. - br0ken1128, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11With that in mind, they could just search every home in the country until the found something illegal .. I think privacy is worth something and I think requiring probable cause is a good thing, though it could be loosened a bit... you should have to answer if you searched a place and found nothing.. you should have a clear answer as to WHY you did it in the first place.. if you have no reason why you did it and nothing illegal was found, you should be held accountable.
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11If you make assumptions about another's actions, you end up looking like the ass you are. I don't use TBP or otherwise download content illegally, but I support their views and support reformation of a currently out of control and abusive copyright system.
Suppose I WERE downloading copyrighted material without permission. How the hell does that make me a childish crybaby? The only thing I'd have to complain about either way are ignorant attitudes like yours. The people that whine and complain are the ones that DON'T get things their way...as in media corporations that can't control and fleece the market like they used to, and sympathizers such as yourself.
Do you honestly think I'm complaining that my personal libraries are free of DRM'd content, or that I'm not locked into any proprietary platforms, or that I'm free to spend my cash however, wherever, whenever, and on whatever I choose? I DON'T choose you, so boo hoo. Everyone here can clearly see that you're projecting your own character on to me. What do you think you can accomplish here? Oh, that's right. You don't have an objective, you're just upset that people don't wanna play your way, so you're ranting and whining. - RonBurgundy76, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10We'll all just use TOR if that's the case :P
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10What exactly will be shut down in the States? I think it's pretty clear that there already is an ongoing backlash wherever possible, but to no avail. The populace hasn't been so controllable as the big media companies wish since the invention of the printing press.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Sweden rocks, i think im ready to leave the usa and go live there. How hard is it to become a citizen there?
- Devrdander, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10There is a difference here though, the pirate bay isnt going against its users desires, its providing a service (a free one) that people want and demand, versus the corporations that rape their paychecks from artists by monopolizing the industry and making them conform to their rules and regulations for any hope of making a living. They provide a service, if people abuse or misuse the service for things morally objectionable then are they really responsible? Just like a tier 1 internet backbone provider is not expected to police their tubes...
- mbsjoblom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9geekee: This topic is obviously too complicated for you and it would be better if just stop commenting on this one. So please don't reply.
- picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9The Pirate Bay operates a legal service. Morally questionable, but then again no one is making you go there and also you're obviously not a singer or movie star or else you wouldn't be a Digger. -1 for you
- Raisuli, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Dear chrismm, so good to hear a voice of reason. We, the industry, will be glad to include more drm protection for honest customers like you, so that you can happily buy every product we offer four to five times because we really need to sell stuff. Also glad you share our position on the legality of our actions (meaning: we don't give a *****). It's customers like you who've made the RIAA and the MPAA what is today.
Best regards,
The Industry -
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