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- twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -8/+75Hooah! They can be knocked down but they will just get back up and kick some more ass!
- TheDarkTipper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+67Actually, they just got back their search today, so welcome to todays news.
- lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53I this might be the fastest and greatest act of "defiance" (cause I can't think of the right worD) ever.
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31remember, it takes 5 days to get fixed from server errors, and 3 days to recover from US server raids
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25They may be searchable, but even if you get a torrent, you can't download. The tracker is not working, so all torrents are useless.
- siouxmoux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22It not perfect the yet, those. But its step in the right direction
- grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@bonchbonch
Different countries have different laws.
Just because some folks in the US find something illegal, does not mean that some folks in Sweden will find the same thing illegal.
Just cause the US has a drinking age of 21, doesn't mean that other countries cannot extend that privledge to thier legal adults (18 year olds).
Immoral?
Stop trying to overlay your values on someone else.
They are not bound by you or the way you think.
Regardless of how much you think they should be.
If only we could get that basic concept through more people's narrow view. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Great. I was happier that the tracker was back online couple of days ago, lots of torrents usin' pirate bay as a tracker were rendered useless when they shut down. Let's see the consequences of this in the MPAA and the RIAA.
- lkd123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15My favourite part of all this was that it gave BBC news the opportunity to link to PirateBay.
- Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12So many users with the time machine recently...
- niqhil, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22all torrents - 404 Not found
- nooreazy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"We will sue you till your website bleeds to death!"-RIAA
"I'll kick you arse!,YARRRRR!"-pirate bay
3 days later
"your arse has been served!......(CANONS!)"-pirate bay
BTW,"dugg" - seanmc303, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Works fine for me. I don't know what is up with your 404s. Occasionally, I get a weird CSS glitch, but other than that, no real problems.
The best part is this:
http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php
I really missed that.
WOOOT! - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9And what about Azureus's distributed tracker? I think it should help in that situation.
- Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9DUGG!!!! Hahaha I also like the addition to their logo haha take that Hollywood!!
- ikkebra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7most of the emails and reponses on the legal page are still 404 :[
- mykelefty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8dude bitchbitch, this is your 3rd complaint in this thread. we get the point, you're in a ***** band and noone buys your music, give up.
- emosewami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well, considering they were taken down, if only for a little bit, it's more like
TPB: 2
RIAA: 1 - grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@bonchbonch
Last time try to follow along
1) Facilitating piracy is only a crime in countries where a law has been created making it so.
2) The country in which TPB was hosted does not find bit-torrent technology to be infringing.
3) American laws only apply in America.
4)Morality relies on the conscious or unconscious judging of others based off ones self.
Conclusion? It's only illegal if the people want it to be.
Morality is all in your own head.
Thank the creator that the world does not all function as you perceive it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Where's the MPAA press release for this? Oh wait...
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@emosewami: he was counting wars, not battles ;)
- bcnw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hey, if you are digging this, you should probably be aware of this as well:
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?alertId=225&pg=makeACall&JServSessionIdr002=1dlv7oan51.app2a
Which has been dugg elsewhere, but as there's less than 24 hrs left, I hope the great Digg lords will forgive. - Outdoor83, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5bonchbonch is sure flaming all over these responses, but he has a point somewhere in there. It's not right to use content generated by others without paying for it. If you want to play Half-Life 2, you have to pay $50. Yeah, I think it's priced way too high also, but that's the breaks: they spent millions developing the game, and if they want to make us pay out the nose for it, they can.
The argument that you wouldn't buy it anyway is pretty empty: if you wouldn't buy it anyway, then you don't think it's worth the money you would have spent on it. That means you don't get to listen / watch / play it. It's really no more complicated than that. I agree, using all proprietary and common software like MS Office, Acrobat, McAfee Anti-Virus, etc. makes a computer VERY expensive. But there are free alternatives to most of these that are pretty good as well as other operating systems as an alternative (or just get a Mac, where most of this stuff is bundled). MS Office is, almost humorously, $300. So if you don't have that much money to burn, you have to use something else. It's like anything else in life.
Yeah, you using it doesn't directly "hurt" a supplier (as in stealing a car means they have one less car to sell) but if everyone had that logic, there'd be no money at all. It demands that you have integrity to not use what you don't pay for. Don't be that guy (or girl) without personal integrity.
TPB isn't illegal, and I'm stoked that they're back online because I think the MPAA is full of a bunch of bloodsuckers who are way too heavy-handed. But, I don't use TPB because finding legal content on it that I want is nearly impossible. - en3r0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Its actually been off and on all week, but dugg just because TPB rocks.
- pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't wait until they update the legal threats page!
I wonder what variation of the retractable batons method they will suggest **AA use this time?? - therippa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4>>bonchbonch
The RIAA screws the artists harder than piracy. If you really want to support a band, buy a t-shirt off their website. All proceeds go to them. - ACalcutt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5the downtime made a good advertisement :-)
- Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The raid was a good advertisement. The downtime wasn't.
- ahmerhussain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"And what about Azureus's distributed tracker?"
I think that's only for multi-tracker torrents I believe.
Many US torrent sites use that but I don't think piratebay does. - grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@bonchbonch
Attack me for whatever reason you see fit.
By not having a clue what you are talking about you entirely prove my point.
Yes an artist or inventor has the right to be compensated in the first few years after producing a piece of work.
A company should never have the right to hold content rights in perpetuity.
Rights should devolve to the people after a reasonable period of time has passed to allow compensation.
Again stop trying to impose what you think of as reality upon the way others think.
Guess what most folks don't think like you.
The majority of people on the planet do not think like you.
Nor do they believe in the things you be live in.
Morals=Judging others behaviors based of ones own.
Even if you find something to be immoral, that does not mean that another person will.
"Judge not, For you judge yourself" -Bob - Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"And what about Azureus's distributed tracker? I think it should help in that situation."
You have to connect to the tracker to get a list of hosts. If the tracker goes down after this point, only then can you use distributed tracking. - paradoxic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The currency in their store is in swedish KR. 139 KR is about 20 usd.
- jakethecake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4A little OT, but I think what's really something is that the Pirate party grew by 200% or something during the days the Bay was down, and that it is now the biggest party outside the Swedish parliament, that's just nuts! :D The file-sharing issue is now accepted on the best spots in the biggest papers, that is so cool. When did file-sharers and open source users ever have an entire political party this big (their vice is a former FFII EU activist) =)
- pedrotuga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think is kind of sad they had to move out from sweden.
I hope the swedish government doesnt bend in front of the US as a slave. Its time for sweden to stand for democracy values... as far as i know they are not a dictatorship. A raid like that is not acceptable.
Why did they took the cameras away?
why did they took ALL the servers, even the ones that had anything to do with TPB?
why did they took network hardware?
The sad thing in this wole thing is that TPB had to move... its like loosing a piece of territory. - v4r4n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is a legal battle. I pay for media I like, but what they did to TPB was wrong.
- Flukey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Servers are finding it hard to cope with the traffic at the moment. Not all the images load up, thought this could be down to a reorganisation of the data. Meh, who knows. Brilliant it's back up now :P
- sniper668, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So why don't you buy them instead of pirating stuff?
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm not seeing how RIAA expands to bonchbonch... I'll figure it out, don't worry.
R = bon
I = chb..... - rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Using torrents, p2p, Usenet, sharing, whatever, to give consumers the selection they want is the best deal. I have several different types of distribution to experience media. I buy huge quantities of DVD and CD media. I would not have the exposure to music or videos for me otherwise. I think the RIAA and the MPAA are going overboard. Where the pirate bay is concerned, all they provide is a search engine and tracking system for torrents. You still have to engage in the download, and whatever distribution is involved, but it has nothing to do with search sites like pirate bay.
No company or law enforcement agency should be able to decide what my purposes for downloading things are. Maybe I just want to supplement my CD collection with .mp3 for my hard drive at home. Maybe I want a backup of a DVD, or maybe I want an Xvid to fit on a CD of something I own. Maybe I want a tv show which I just recorded on Tivo, but really want to view it on the road going to Vegas on my notebook. There must be thousands of legit uses for the many forms of digital distribution. - Nicodemus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually the graph isn't wrong "threats is on the Y axis and showing a steady increase while "torrents being deleted" shows a constant flat line at 0. So read correctly the graph states that as threats increase, 0 torrents are being deleted.
- grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3***** greedy corporations trying to profit off our shared culture.
Anything added to culture after a period of time becomes a piece of the culture it was added to.
Trying to profit off of shared culture is ridiculous.
Being compensated for your own work (not a company being paid for an artists work) is fine.
Trying to package culture as a commodity with per copy pricing is downright criminal. - seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"The point I'm trying to make is that if you can get something for free and save 300 bucks why wouldn't you do it?"
If you could get a car for free by stealing it, why wouldnt YOU do it? IT IS ILLEGAL.
*continues downloading CounterStrike: Source* - burke, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5IMO, Artists can make enough from the extra stuff like T-shirts and concert tickets. Why do popular rap "artists" make an order of magnitude more than some rocket scientists or neurosurgeons? I think the whole scheme is a little warped.
I'm just suggesting that even if not a single person bought a single album, they would still have a fanbase (a larger one) willing to buy all the extras and go to concerts. With ticket prices the way they are, it's far more than enough for them to live comfortably, and they'd still be making more than the neurosurgeons. - chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i suspect the red line is meant to indicate threats, and the yellow indicates torrents deleted..
- seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Acctually, the downtime is because of the free advertisement (well, except for buying new servers,) but they have too much traffic now, which caused the tracker to break.
- VeteranRanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Been over this a million times : artists get ripped off by the recording industry.
They're greedy bastards and they're the ones really losing money because of piracy, and that's why they're into the hunt.
I do believe in supporting the artist, but what happened to making music for the sake of it? - Guye, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@bonchbonch
Try looking at it from a more open perspective. Heres an example:
Completely hypothetical scenario of course,
Lets say that 200 years from now humanity on earth has evolved to Star Trek proportions, in terms of standard of living, way of life etc. Money is done away with, and people generally learn to get along and work for the betterment of the species, and not for a paycheck. This utiopian society would look back on history and the people who can't see past the damn dollar amount as selfish, narrow minded bigots.
Hypothetically speaking of course. Either way, change has to start somewhere, and wether or not recent events are leading us to a worse or better place, I think its worth finding out. - r121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jimmygoon
I noticed that too, but I think what they meant is that the x-axis is time, the orange line is threats, and the yellow line is torrents deleted.
@Nicodemus: The graph is wrong because it's mislabeled. You can't read it correctly if it isn't correctly labeled. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3uhh... probably because the domain didn't expire, and we would have heard about it from the Piratpartiet if this was the police's doing.
- systeme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How nice of you to repeat the same thing 34 times on a single page, Bonchbonch, because we obviously didn't see it the first 33. But each time you repeat it, we slowly realize how wise and moral you are and will atone for our downloading sins, so keep it up!
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