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- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -18/+163Let them shut down Limewire. Then maybe a decent P2P client will emerge.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+73People still use limewire? Its turned into KaZaa, everything is spyware and viruses.
- rhavin001, on 10/11/2007, -5/+65Those Tech-Savvy RIAA folks at it again...boy lemme tell ya, they are *way* ahead of the curve on piracy...
Oh hell I can't keep a straight face any longer...who uses limewire; I mean, really? - keyboardduder, on 10/11/2007, -19/+79the prices for music are cruel and unusual. Many of it is loaded with DRM *****. Limewire and bittorrent are our way of saying "lower the prices or we will steal it". They should expect this kind of reaction from people if they try to sell music at $1+ per song and you cant even really own it because its stuck in your DRM web of selfishness.
- plhearn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+62Its still pretty pointless to sue limewire. Another one will inevitably pop up. And they can't shut down bittorrent. Limewire users will just start using that.
- swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -3/+48Limewire is for bandwagon jumping file-sharers. We pirates do not use ships full of holes.
- PureHeretic, on 10/11/2007, -6/+47LOL LIMEWIRE!1
- NewChar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+44Because when I download gay porn I don't want to become infested with viruses.
- Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+41I'm starting to question the ability to make file sharing music illegal. It was only this past century that recording music was even possible, and I don't mind sacrificing the ability have tens of millions of dollars in favor of making a good living the old fashioned way, live performances and sponsors.
- dustblaaze, on 10/11/2007, -7/+39I want to kill Limewire along with Bearshare.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33the RIAA wants to kill music...
- venom8599, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Go right ahead, then maybe people will start using something better. I wouldn't touch Limewire with a 10 foot pole.
- Noctem, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Uhm, OK? LimeWire isn't a P2P network, it's a P2P application that utilizes the Gnutella network protocol.
- MechaFenris, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24Precisely. P2P is not evil... P2P is not illegal. People can use cars as weapons. Does that mean we should kill the car?
The RIAA/MPAA's Modus Operandi has (and always will be) to be led kicking and screaming into the next big technology. The MPAA tried to kill the VCR. Musicians tried to kill piano rolls. Movies tried to kill TV. The audio cassette is _still_ maligned by the recording industry... yet they survived... and thrived.... by _ADAPTING_ to new technology instead of trying (and ALWAYS unsuccessfully) to kill it.
I just don't get their bull-headedness. Never learn from their mistakes and continue to rape technology for some outdated business model. - R34C7, on 10/11/2007, -8/+30@canwediggit
In order for a market economy to function we first must establish a right to ownership. Ownership, by any definition of the word, means that you have sole and complete rights to the use of an object in question. The concept of ownership however becomes fuzzy when we speak about intellectual property rights because it is the ownership of something that does not materially exist.
Intellectual property defies our concept of ownership. It cannot be physically held and is difficult to claim ownership thereof in the case of ideas. In addition, intellectual property can be replicated and shared without cost or restriction which is impossible with material property and because of this the economic implications of that property is impossible to enforce.
The answer that the industry proposes to this is to restrict the basic rules of ownership that we share in material objects, being that continual ownership and unrestricted use within the scope of that ownership is restricted(DRM). It can be easily argued then that through DRM we no longer "own" what it is we have purchased. Now ownership that is required for a market economy to function is again harmed. The solution then must be to offer unrestricted use in ownership of these products (eliminate DRM) in the pursuit of a more market friendly application.
If the industry had not fought the current paradigm as has been the downfall of numerous companies throughout history (swiss watch manufacturers in particular, with the dawn of digital watches) then they would not be in the current predicament. Their solution is not my place, but I will speculate in saying that if the record manufacturers had become the creators of these technologies and charged (maybe a monthly fee for them) then the pirating craze may have never taken off in the way it has. The inherent benefit to customers of using their downloading software instead of pirating software is that it would be at the forefront of ease and usability. Then pirating software could never have developed in its popularity and therefore its powerful software applications.
It is the functioning of a free market that those incapable of shifting their paradigms are no longer the ones who can serve the customer interest. This is the paradox of free market.
Edit: forgive my rant, I did not know I had typed so much until submitting... - schoate09, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Why If I pay for a song, it won't work on all my devices, and allow me to convert it, but a pirate can?
*****
***** the RIAA. - spartan777, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17"The P2P network's founder Mark Gorton is in the fight of his life."
sounds like a movie trailer.
'But as he's about to find out, coaching the RIAA legal team isn't so easy after all! watch as he fights his way to the top in this hilarious feel-good comedy!' - betobeto, on 10/11/2007, -6/+21And gay porn.
- tehgoatman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15I don't understand this ***** limewire bandwagon.. I have and use limewire almost daily and i have never gotten spyware on my computer as a result and it almost always finds the songs i want.
Go ahead and digg me down. - Nysul, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18Do you morons really believe the RIAA doesn't know about usenet?
- merdiesel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Good, focus all of your time and energy on that.
::laughs and heads over to favorite torrent sites:: - shamess, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Good. LimeWire is the cause of most people's viruses and spyware. First thing I do when I'm fixing someone's computer is remove it.
- ximinez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13BearShare is already dead. It's corpse is being used as a shell by someone else, but that doesn't make it any less dead.
- Kickersny, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13@daborg:
"According to the article, 62% of P2P file sharers."
That's only because bittorrent can't be measured due to its decentralized nature. - MechaFenris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Besides the RIAA?
Apparently no one of note. :D - evilTak, on 10/11/2007, -7/+18Good luck killing FrostWire too: http://frostwire.sf.net
- daborg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12According to the article, 62% of P2P file sharers.
- TexanPsycho, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12They can have Limewire, it's BitTorrent that I care about.
- Snakedal337, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11HOME RECORDINGS ARE KILLING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY!!
Sound familer?
"My favorite thing is rappers who boast about being former criminals and thieves who then complain about their music being stolen and bootlegged. "
My favorite is when they do it while sitting in their gold plated bullet proof full size hummvees with a grill in their mouth and a chain on their neck.
Southpark summed it up well once by documentary style, telling how Spears had to go for the private jet that was a grade lower than the one she wanted. - bevans, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8This closing is great:
“The core focus of the music industry has been shutting down individual file-sharing programs, and that has proven to be a failure,” he says, “it just takes one high school kid in Eastern Europe to undermine their entire industry.”
so true. - Jamezes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@PureHeretic (#6756856)
http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf - NanoStuff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9" Then maybe a decent P2P client will emerge. "
eMule, when configured properly, is very good, particularly with it's KAD connectivity. You can't expect Torrent-level speeds but it's massive file diversity offers just about everything you couldn't find as a Torrent if you're willing to wait for it to DL. - Division, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9gotta keep the good stuff quiet...
- bendedavis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I buy all my music now. But when I did download music I tried soulseek. Sure theres more rare stuff and better selection there, but without multi threaded downloads it's useless. Most peoples connections only allow about 40KBps which isn't that great. Also having to wait in a queue forever just to download at such slow speed, lame. Bittorrent is the way to go, and for more rare stuff eMule.
- emt1451, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Using LimeWire is like going to a prostitute. It will be fun for a few times but eventually you'll get a virus.
- sam991, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7*****. Is it 2004 again?
My time machine works! - spindrift, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9In a world where both of our cars were totally under water...
- ashchristopher, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Pirates don't admit they are pirates.
- AnteChronos, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9"I think we are all entitled to free things"
While I agree with the overall tone of the message, that above statement is just false. No one is entitled to someone else's stuff for free. As much as I dislike the RIAA (***** the RIAA, BTW), I'm under no illusion that, in the more general sense, no one is *entitled* to the artists' work for free. If the artists want to make it free, then you get it for free. If they don't then you don't.
I'm reminded of a particular Red vs. Blue:
"Does anyone have the new Creed CD?"
"I have it."
"Give it to me, right now."
"Give it to you? Why would I do that?"
"You're not giving it to me! Give it to me faster!"
"Wait. That's illegal."
"No it isn't! I don't *want* it to be illegal, therefore it *isn't*. That's the way it works."
Just because you *want* to be entitled to free stuff doesn't mean that's the way it works. *sigh*, kids these days and their disproportionate sense of entitlement. - CheckPlease, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15The music industry wants to kill music.
- SteelFrog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6"How do you get spyware off anyhow?"
deltree /y *.* - Ahnteis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6>>i go back to my stealing records/cds example. people didn't do it en masse because of the difficulty.
I don't buy it. People don't steal because they are taking something from someone. "Pirating" is just COPYING something. When it's for personal use, copying has long been held to be LEGAL. It's only recently that we've started thinking it's OK limit that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act
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"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright ... or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."
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As the Senate Report explains, "[t]he purpose of[the Act] is to ensure the right of consumers to make analog or digital audio recordings of copyrighted music for their private, noncommercial use."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - sixthplanet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Interesting backstory in the article.
Outlawing music file sharing is weird because it is legal (as far I know) to copy a song from the radio (which now boasts of high definition quality, whatever that means) and personally use it.
And back in the day, people would dub cassettes for each other... but it's this EFFICIENT sharing of music that's hurting the industry.
And this random enforcement of the law by punishing college kids with huge fines is crazy. I wouldn't be surprised to see the RIAA lobby to have illegal file sharing carry the death penalty.
My favorite thing is rappers who boast about being former criminals and thieves who then complain about their music being stolen and bootlegged. - tylerjames, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"From the creators of Der and Tum Ta Tittaly Tum Ta Too Rob Schneider is Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dum.
Rated PG-13" - TheDowntownKing, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6@sixth planet
"My favorite thing is rappers who boast about being former criminals and thieves who then complain about their music being stolen and bootlegged. "
lol - emmie876, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Limewire is crap, use torrents!
- wired4u, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Seriously they do need to kill limewire. Every time I see one of my friends download something off of limewire I cringe-- because I know I am the one who fixes the spyware issue. Everyone just needs to move to usenet anyways
- RanZom, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7the RIAA can burn in hell. The government needs to abolish that organization
- yardApe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@ Nysul
I didn't say the Riaa doesn't know about usenet, you dumbass, merely that they haven't done anything about it yet. Can you find one reference to a person being successfully sued by the RIAA for downloading content from Usenet? - Batiu-Drami, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@rhavin001 (#6756468)
Everyone who isn't a nerd. I know that isn't most of you guys, but if you're gonna talk to your 'average' teenager (especially teenage girls), all their music comes from Limewire. It's because it's easy, just like Kazaa was, back in the day.
So in terms of number of files shared it is probably far lower than BitTorrent, in terms of numbers of users, it would be much higher. -
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