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- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38Verified. Just gave 2 to you. :)
- Ilyanep, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Do you even pay attention when it tells you 'duplicate stories found'? I was going to submit this earlier today but I didn't because it told me it was already there.
- joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Just added a few myself to one on the top (I think 4, then again some one else could of been doing the same).
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Yeah. Digg knows about it.
The server doesn't register the multiple diggs though, it only counts one. So it's not that big of a deal. - joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Or not. It shows up on my side but the database doesn't get the updates. Still a bug though.
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Confirmed. Digg+=2 on you.
- vermin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Wow, this was one of the worst articles I've read.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah..Google will solve the "perpetual beta" problem!
- cgwas, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I'm just going to sit back and wait for Google to solve all my problems.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13i thought thats what they do now with monthly patches and all
windows has always been in beta
if they want to fix windows they should go open source - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Will Vista run Duke Nukem Forever?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Windows... not being made from scratch every release"
If that was the case, most of the problems Microsoft is having wouldn't exist. Legacy support is what is making Windows a giant clusterfark. Look in you windows directory. Progman.exe is still there. Windows is a 20 year old kludgy, crufty mess.
Next release they will just make a pretty window manager on top of BSD I bet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As opposed to that guy that everyone who is around him considers a nice guy in Steve Jobs? (People who acually know him consider him a real prick. Of course, the fanboys just say that is how brilliant minds are eccentric.)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Also no. Obviously no.
- goat-san, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7With Windows Live, Microsoft can do something it's never done before outside a controlled lab or focus group: It can watch people as they are using its software.
IT CAN WATCH PEOPLE AS THEY ARE USING ITS SOFTWARE????
although there will probably be a way to turn it off, that sounds was to big brother-ish for me.
and i dont know if it to "improve perpetually and imperceptibly in the background" either. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5You're going to get a bunch of -Diggs for that by the army of pro-MS censors that patrol this site. But you're right. Windows needs to be put to rest. MS should start over from scratch. Leave all the bad design ideas, the neverending bugs, the ever-increasing code behind. I hope Vista is the last incarnation of Windows, I really do.
If Apple made the transition years ago, why can't MS? - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Kenobi, don't you realize everytime there's a comment saying "you're gonna get thums down", it will get LOADS of thumbs up, just to rediculate the thumbs-down-preacher.
- canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only way Windows will truly become a class leading OS is if MS is willing to leave the past behind. To develop from scratch a new kernel and layering a modern OS feature set and GUI on top. They would likely have to run all older programs in some kind of emulation enviroment and yes, most companies would go nuts because of that. Since it appears MS is not willing to make the masses unhappy they continue to paint fresh coats on the same old beast of an OS with the end result being a sorta spiffy looking OS every few years that really never goes anywhere.
Is MS in danger? Certainly not yet, they are far to large a monopoly and large corporations are far to resitant to change... but nothing is forever and if MS doesn't eventually step up to the plate and develop a world class product the world will slowly but surely pass them by. - fredinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope this guy isn't a ***** like ballmer
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So if Bill Gates treated his employees like teh *****, didn't donate anything, and came in second place every time, the masses will love him? What a bizarre world we live in.
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1"The only way Windows will truly become a class leading OS is if MS is willing to leave the past behind. To develop from scratch a new kernel and layering a modern OS feature set and GUI on top. They would likely have to run all older programs in some kind of emulation enviroment and yes, most companies would go nuts because of that. (...)"
That compatibility layer is called WINE and it runs only in other OSs.
MS has no chance of doing it cuss it will give up their only "advantage" on the rest of OSs: the native Windows support. - dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Unfortunetly, this is probably too late to get Vista out around the time Office 2007 will be ready, but it will hopefully make sure it doesn't get delayed any longer.
- zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Perpetual beta was the way a friend of mine described linux five years ago. The description in the article makes me think that Microsoft has just learned to do what works at last. Once again Microsoft doesn't innovate, they take what works from others.
- zeldafan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8The sad part is he's probably the only one that *can* get work done on time at Microsoft.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As nefarious as this may sound, this is a big bucks practise that many successful software designers and technical writers use to streamline UI and help systems. People who use similar software daily are paid to use the product in a lab while being recorded. Their productivity, click sequences, common errors, as well as their mood and facial expressions are recorded and used to finetune the product. However, when people are sitting in a lab they are not very comfortable and don't act as they would in the workplace. Allowing MS to obtain some such information about its users will give it invaluable data to make the software easier and more natural to use.
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2If Windows is an organism it deserves extinction.
- professorhojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2for the real story on this sinofsky from microsoft employees (it ain't pretty), check out http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1'm not being all "dupe" about it, I just wanted to ask - did people see this story
http://digg.com/software/Will_the_new_Windows_boss_move_Microsoft_into_perpetual_beta_
and decide it wasn't as interesting, or did it just not get seen at all?
I'm serious - I'm trying to understand more about what people respond to in headline, not calling "dupe." As far as I'm concerned, the more interesting title/desc. deserves the front page. I'm just looking for feedback. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1most likely this will be monitoring the functions of the software in a debug manor. so if you make a call to memory allocation, or some process does XYZ, not that it will monitor what you are typing on the screen or where you visit on the web, etc.
- konstantinr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4basically, what I think he has in mind, is to have Windows like an organism, evolving and not being made from scratch every release. Perpetual beta sounds worse that it seems because I believe we connect the word beta with something that isn't done, a pre-release, but whats the difference between a working beta that has no major bugs or is gradually worked on and a completed release that requires critical updates? Nothing, don't let the stigma of a title get to you.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Unfortunately, he may fix it.
- NoodleGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows Live is a website, and therefore they can track what users are doing with it. Just like Digg can track what you do when surfing on their website, and Google can track what searches you preform. Nothing too surprising there....
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I didn't notice Sinofsky quoted as saying anything about a perpetual beta. I didn't notice any evidence they talked to Sinofsky anywhere in that piece, as a matter of fact.
It's insulting when a "news" magazine tries to pass off what's basically a blog entry as an article. - m85476585, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Soon he'll quit and go to Google, then MS will sue Google and lose.
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Heh-heh... I've been referring to it as Duke Vista Forever (and being modded down by the humorless amongst us.) Perhaps MS could boost excitement for Vista by including a copy of DNF with the install disks? :^)
- Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Next release they will just make a pretty window manager on top of BSD I bet."
I read that as "on top of BSOD I bet"... Saving themselves time by running the BSOD first, and then the window manager? - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah, Duke Vista Forever will run while(true) { } in a highly priorited thread so you'll need to have a cutting edge box to play it.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Whether they redo Windows from scratch or use a Unix (BSD) base, they need to really rethink the foundation of Windows and run legacy software as a compatibility layer as Apple has done.
- haumschd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Windows isn't fixable....
- NickDanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It may be a PITA, but I think that the only viable strategy for MS to follow, would be an Apple "esque" path.
Step 1:
Give up on the NT strategy
Step 2:
Buy a linux distro, or a viable OS that has slipped below the radar (Be OS anyone?)
Step 3:
Come up with a set of guidelines, i.e. no support for faulty mobos, or shoddy components.
Step 4:
??? (Ease into the new platform, by gradually phasing out the old systems)
Step 5:
Profit
As an after thought, it also seems like a big problem is the fact there is too much fat at MS where you have a gigantic team to work on an OS and each member has to go through a trivial process to do a simple task. this would appear to be a vital and necessary change for any company to have to fess up to. - athampi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This change should've been made long back!
- GoodBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Office under Sinofsky has been delivered like clockwork, but its boring as hell. Innovation is minimal. Fixing deeply rooted annoyances is judged too risky. No wonder their customers haven't been eager to upgrade.
- NickDanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh, and by the way, despite whatever kool-ade Larry Elison is serving, network computing, and online apps, will *never* become mainstream.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2windows could never go opensource. too much borrowed/stolen/etc code - they would go bankrupt paying out for all the things people would find in there.
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3God. You gave me the hardest laugh today. Today's tech news readers are ignorant.
- b3and1p, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10It seems like Microsoft has been having a hard time recently. Anyone else feel that vista could be the tipping point for Microsoft's downfall?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1propaganda crap.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3To bad the thumbs up bug is not present in the thumb down!
- joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Yep, gave 4 to sid0. Doesn't work on the thumbs down though because it immediately grays it out.
- samstr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Vista bah! Microsoft are lepers
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