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- Bloodwine, on 01/07/2009, -1/+22I really see no reason to give power back to the cloud. If we go back to dumb terminal, smart server approach, we're just completing the cycle and end back up where we were decades ago.
I do think it is important to have data at your fingertips regardless of where you are, but I think we should look at keeping data under our own control, just developing better access technologies to get to it.
If we can improve our bandwidth infrastructure and convert to IPv6, I don't see why we can't have local servers at our homes, work, etc. and we'd have handheld devices and terminals connect to them rather than some third-party corporate network. - ohplease, on 01/07/2009, -5/+20
A huge number of major North American and European corporations and a metric ***** ton of multinationals follow SOx compliance in order to meet US and international investment standards.
You have no idea what you're talking about, please sit down. - Bloodwine, on 01/07/2009, -0/+12Until these short-sighted morons one day figure out they have given up exclusive access to their data and are reliant on a third-party entity for day-to-day operations.
- kungfuice, on 01/07/2009, -3/+13I guess these guys haven't heard of Amazon S3, iDisk, and the whole other slew of "cloud" based storage services.
- merlin5, on 01/07/2009, -1/+10I work in the industry. The execs are having wet dreams over this cloud stuff. It really looks like everythings going that way.
- Testiculese, on 01/07/2009, -0/+9Something from an Ars forum member Zelannii:
Provided the cloud system uses 256bit or higher AES encryption keys, selected by each user individually, then there's no real privacy concerns, but I do have some serious other issues with Could computing that I can't overlook:
- Access to data. What happens when my connection is down (or theirs), or when there's a system issue between our 2 locations? I can not trust my critical data to a remote outage or accecability delay.
- Portability. Once I get used to storing data in the cloud, it may not be convenient for me to access it on the go. I don't allways have a connection, but rarely do I need more than 8GB of data which a thumb drive easily handles, and a sync tool can quickly and simply keep up to date with multiple hard drives at multiple locations. I'm not willing to sync to both a thumb drive and the cloud, that's just redundant...
- Updates. Who controlls when my distributed apps are updated? What hapens to my historical data files when they are? What's the learning curve, and how much warnning do I get when updates happen? What features are being removed or simply moved to other places each time? What's the impact on my staff when updates occur? Can I skip an update when it's business critical that I do? Is there application downtime EVER that I have to schedule around, instead of scheduling the downtime when it's convenient for MY business?
- Personalized settings: I customize the look, feel, buttons and more on most of my applications for efficiency. Will I be able to do this, and will those settings easily map from system to system as I can do with my copy of Office 2007 on a thumb drive using application portability software?
- Bandwidth: I already have bottlenecks caused by VPN users, less than 5% of thew company at a time. Now 100% of the staff will essentially be using remote apps? I can't handle that much data throughput without rediculous costs per month.
- Multiple Single points of failure: I can loose complete functionality something as simple as a firewall, switch, or a UPS dies. Will changes be saved in real time and be recoverable when I reconnect? Will employees leave off where they left? How quickly can a small business recover from a local device failure. How much does redundancy cost vs simply deploying the system locally?
- Accounting mistakes: Accounting does occasionally make a mistake and either forget to pay a bill or the bill gets lost in processing on the other end, or in transit. Can I afford to be disconnected for a few minutes, let alone several hours or an entire weekend while I get the right people on the line to sort out payment issues?
Look, I've dealt with using services like SAP and SFDC for many years with small companies. They're allways more expensinve in the long run, less stable, less accessible, less flexible, and less compatible, not to mention routine downtime and other issues we had to deal with. For a tiny office of a few people, with a couple simple apps, having leased software access and remote offsite data might be a good idea, but even for an office of 50 people, the costs simply outweight the benefits. For an office of less than 150 people, I don't even recomend on-staff IT except for simple daily user issues (some kid fresh out of college willing to work for 30K a year, resetting passwords and swapping backup media is fine while a professional contracting firm handles the big, infrequent work like new deployments and senior level IT challenges).
Putting applications online instead of installing them locally is simply a waste of bandwidth and time. If you can't afford to buy the licences, leasing access codes is fine like Microsoft has been discussing for Office 2009 (yearly fees with free updates instead of $400 up front, but you still install and use the software locally)
For personal users, passing around family pictures, and having access to an array of software at a monthly fee which they could not otherwise in 3 years afford to buy legit copies of all the same, it might work out. For a business, or a power user, no way in hell. - atgmac, on 01/07/2009, -7/+16The world does not revolve around the US.
- inactive, on 01/07/2009, -5/+14Cloud computing is basically the transfer of data from your own computer to the web. It is a complete taking away of personal power and freedom. And it's all in preparation for this new Internet 2.
- jimmies, on 01/07/2009, -0/+7Any public company that does business in the States (which is any company of significant size) *HAS* to care about SOx.
- azphire, on 01/07/2009, -0/+7Store your data with a company that has geographically diverse data centers? Are we actually arguing that it's better to keep your data locally?
- scadams, on 01/07/2009, -0/+6No *****. How is CTERA ushering in a new technology that already exists?
- david76, on 01/07/2009, -0/+5So, if they're using AES and the key is stored in the hardware device, and your house burns down, how do you get your data back?
- david76, on 01/07/2009, -0/+5Perhaps you could elaborate, in what way does using offsite storage violate SOX compliance?
- inactive, on 01/07/2009, -0/+5once you give it the old name "software as a service" its not so appealing anymore.
- inactive, on 01/07/2009, -1/+5Which part dont you understand?
This is not NAS but more like SAN technology thats replicated to different locations so that you always have contact to it as well as redundancy when 1 site goes down. - inactive, on 01/07/2009, -1/+5While this sounds like it's aimed at businesses, I for one, would never use it for any personal use.
I really don't want anybody having access to my private data whenever they please. - inactive, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3100 percent correct! Amazon's storage and transfer fees are already ridiculously low for commercial customers. As consumer demand grows, Amazon will move quickly to squeeze out any up and coming competition. Also, requiring an external hard disk to the work flow is unnecessary.
I'd be more impressed by seeing client-side applications that enabled efficient, turnkey communication between the cloud and my PC, mobile phone, game console, etc...
These apps would allow for on-demand communication (e.g. select file--> hit send--> data compressed and sent to cloud) and regularly scheduled, automated syncing of selected files to the cloud, with optional (not required) syncing from the cloud, back to as many local storage devices as you'd like (xbox hard drive, USB key etc...) - Amusing, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3CES isn't till tomorrow...
- Testiculese, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3Will you ***** political shills please ***** off?
- PB3K, on 01/07/2009, -2/+5This is just stupid. Lets see, I already have a router that connects all the computers up. These computers all have access to the NAS, and since they can back up to the NAS that gives redundancy right there. If the NAS did RAID there would be another level of redundancy. I wouldn't trust someone's HD sitting somewhere on the internet anymore than I'd trust a RAID setup in my house, so why bother to backup to the net in the first place?
- azphire, on 01/07/2009, -1/+4What do you do when your place burns down while you are at work?
- Testiculese, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3The execs were having wet dreams of offshoring all development teams to India. A few years later, it's painfully obvious what a ***** idea that was.
- lews001, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3Well.... Steam has been holding my config files and uploading them to places I login to for awhile now, so just begining?? Maybe in full fledged complete storage.
- rusty0101, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3Ok, device is intended to provide a nas for customers, with online data backup. But they are not going to sell directly to customers, just 'through' ISPs. I don't personally think that's going to work out well, but good luck.
- inactive, on 01/07/2009, -2/+4What do you do when the company's building storing your data burns down?
- Danltn, on 01/07/2009, -6/+8That was unnecessary.
- SystemError51, on 01/07/2009, -2/+4That already exists. In my case, I use iDisk of MobileMe. Works nicely.
- Testiculese, on 01/07/2009, -1/+3I don't put any data online that I can't afford to throw away. I'm not putting any real data of any real substance in the hands of ethically-criminal corporations.
No guarantees, no oversight, no control, no repercussion, no reimbursment? No thanks.
Someone mentioned updating a web-app is better than updating a desktop app. In some cases, it is, but all the desktop software I use phones home to check for updates. Any functional changes are immediately in my hands too.
Google Maps is the only online 'app' I use, using it for directions and searching a locale for a store of some kind, etc. Nothing else is of interest in the least. - jakem1, on 01/07/2009, -0/+2I think the Palestinians could probably do without the kind of "support" the US offers.
Israel is the recipient of more US military "aid" than any other country. Guess where all those bombs, bullets, missiles, etc. end up. - SnakeLemma, on 01/07/2009, -0/+2Who else read CTERA as CETRA?
- PistolSun, on 01/07/2009, -1/+3Its look a like a SOA based storage.I think I see a business opportunity here.We can use a our spare hard drives at home to get some money.
- jimmies, on 01/07/2009, -1/+3Actually, it gives individuals increased power and freedom. I use cloud computing both for personal and work stuff. It's nice not having to rely on whether the machine you're using has the software installed to access files.
I love being able to access my data anywhere, at any time. And spare me the remote-access speech, it's not even close to the same access level or power. - Testiculese, on 01/07/2009, -1/+3remote access is the same access and power, but with better safeguards.
- normalkid0615, on 01/07/2009, -2/+4What do you when the company that builds new buildings building burns down?
- jimmies, on 01/07/2009, -0/+2As long as its auditable, it doesn't violate SOx.
- nem3sis, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1hmm. would sure be fun to play around for a day or two. but i would never ever pay for this. i have a server for stuff i want to share with friends and family, and files to big to carry around on a usb stick. and stuff i consider important and i need a lot, is on my usb stick on my key chain.
- bacon_skoda, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1funny you mention that.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/200 ...
"OK, so to go to G.ho.st, I just open the website. And what G.ho.st is doing now is recreating my desktop just how I left it. So it's actually opening up [ding ding] whichever programs I had open last time I logged in."
"They call their company the Global Host Operating SysTem - or G.ho.st for short. And this is one ghost with a mission."
"Rami Abdulhadi is the marketing director at G.ho.st. He's with four other Palestinian employees. And they're meeting with G.ho.st's R&D director, who's Israeli."
"The meeting place is a rundown coffee shop in a kind of no-man's land between Jerusalem and Jericho."
"The idea behind this unlikely partnership came from CEO Zvi Schreiber. He wanted to help strengthen the Palestinian economy. So he did a Google search for Palestinian businessmen and eventually met with a few." - bacon_skoda, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1perhaps ones with laser armed dolphins guarding your data.
- Balgor, on 01/07/2009, -1/+2I can hear Dovorak now.
- ohplease, on 01/07/2009, -6/+7
Wow, so their whole business model is based on their corporate customers giving the finger to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act?
Good luck with that. - plokij909, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1It's not exactly ground breaking - there are plenty of other "cloud" services available
Syncplicity http://www.syncplicity.com
Sugarsync http://www.sugarsync.com - puma, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1If they wanna do business here they must comply.. most do.. so ...... yea kinda
- boxers999, on 01/08/2009, -0/+1I got some free space on my drobo up for rent :)
- PB3K, on 01/07/2009, -1/+2If your business is big enough to need that wouldn't you have your own data centers in different locations? Connect them together so you have redundancy then just allow your users to connect remotely. Seems a hell of a lot safer to me than having some 3rd party hosting your data.
- tdwtomcat, on 01/07/2009, -2/+3This doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
- cquinnd, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1I'll bet CETRAs approach is more like iSCSI, where you will not need a seperate login or web-interface for server side storage solutions.
- notaku, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1Nobody plugs dropbox?
http://www.getdropbox.com/ - redxxx, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1"Any public company that does business in the States..."
Technically that's "Any company publicly traded in the States...", if they are only traded in other markets(Nikkei or Hong Kong) SOx doesn't apply(though similar regulation exists or is being put in place in most markets). There are large corporations that operate in the US which it doesn't apply to, I happen to work for one of them. - ChildeRoland420, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1In a Palestinian?
- cquinnd, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1and you thought the coverage was heavy now?
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