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- FIip, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6311. Is it really worth pirating?
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+48Title should read: Ten things to consider before making any enterprise software purchase.
- mattmac24, on 10/12/2007, -23/+66I dont think its worth the bandwidth to download
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40"Ten things to consider before making ANOTHER retarded list"
- jdb252, on 10/12/2007, -11/+32Agreed. People are just riding the Microsoft-hating wave for popularity. Digg gets like Fox News when it comes to the iPod vs. Zune, Wii vs. PS3, and Apple OS vs. Windows.
- caffeinejunkiex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Just to save time:
#1: Is your hardware up to scratch?
#2: Which edition(s) of Vista do you need?
#3: Understand Vista licensing
#4: What about application compatibility?
#5: Assess the network infrastructure
#7: Are your users prepared?
#8: Are support personnel ready?
#9: Is your data safe?
#10: What will it really cost? - EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21"Well considering it takes 20% peformance off your game"
Man I wish I had full 64-bit driver support so I could make a claim like that. - MiDri, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16From what I understand, Vista has the "features" necessary to allow software/media companies to determine what their "property" can be displayed on/through. These "features" go as far as being able to disable your ability to watch a movie based on what monitor you are using.
- netferret, on 10/12/2007, -13/+26Well considering it takes 20% peformance off your games, I would say no at the moment.
Maybe when they finish all the drivers, patches etc(in like a years time), maybe then. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Agreed. I usually don't like to upgrade OS's until at least the first Service Pack has been rolled out. Especially after that whole Blaster worm debacle.
- grazwa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I only skimmed TFA but I didn't see anything about DRM. Is it true that it will restrict what files you can and can't listen to/watch?
...after further reading, I can see its aimed at the business market. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"The bastard is HEAVY"
Windows ME all over again.
ill repeat what ive said in the past
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Solid, then they add some stuff and churn out a new version which enhances the value of the product, finally they add too much bloat and it bogs the whole thing down. - nmeadata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+911. Make sure the peripheral devices you have will be compatible.
my usb scanner isn't. You can download and find out about yours with this tool.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeadvisor/default.mspx - fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Ten things to consider before taking the Vista plunge"
1) OSX
2) GNU/Linux
3) BSD/Linux
4) QNX
5) AmigaDOS
6) WinXP
7) Win98
8) DOS
9) Life in a cave
10) Suicide - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15In my point of view, most people will upgrade.. in time.
I still know people who run Windows 98, but that is mostly because they haven't felt the need to upgrade their hardware yet, and that came bundled with their last computer.
In time, the general users, will buy new computers with Vista bundled.. And they will most likely use that until they feel the need to upgrade their hardware again.
Unfortunally Vista is just not the operative system which is so darn amazing that people run out to buy it at launch (although it could have been, and i so wanted it to be)..
-A Mac user - macatak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9not if you had to build it yourself.
- Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It's easier to have it wait in the bittorrent queue than for me to actually stand in a queue.
- Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16The DRM is vista basically allows media company's to make restrictions easier on media you buy from them, nothing more. The whole DRM in vista thing was way overblown.
Do correct me if I am wrong. - Kebert, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16Gonna have to disagree with this article slightly.
A better version would read:
1. Any modern operating system other than Windows Vista.
2. Any non-Microsoft operating system.
3. Linux. - felyduw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@jdb252
The difference is that Fox News is supposed to be a news outlet, supposedly unbiased. Digg is a community driven news repository in which the more popular subjects get digged more. If iPod is more popular than Zune or Wii more popular than PS3 than obviously you'll get more news praising one and bashing the other.
Digg is biased towards what's popular. That's the whole premise of the thing. Is it not? - fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm not a Mac or Linux fanboy, and I have no intention of upgrading beyond WinXP.
My "plunge" when it occurs will be Ubuntu. - 350Zed, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12And the reason to HAVE a MS OS is that you don't have the time or resources to muck around with Linux.
Too many people like you think the average PC user gives a damn about the OS they run. In fact, people--especially corporate users--only care about the APPLICATIONS they run. Any given corporate IT department has better things to do than to bench-test Linux/Wine desktop compatibility for dozens or hundreds of applications.
Consider this... we have 103,000 Outlook clients in our organization...
Do you want to switch all of them to Outlook on Linux/Wine? Do you want to migrate them all to Lotus Notes? Do you want to find a Linux-friendly Thunderbird/Sunbird/whatever mash-up that gives you fully functionality?
OS choice is not just an issue of geeking yourself out in your basement for hours fiddling with your hobby-PC... it's about what WORKS for the major APPLICATIONS out there. - digitalrift, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6when I did get my chance to see vista, it looked heavy and felt heavy. the test box we had at my workplace was sun u40, two dual core opterons, and about 8GB of memory.. of course, vista couldn't utilize most of it, as it can't see any memory past 3GB..
it ran smoothly, even with all the eye candy, but I'm guess that had to do with the big ass quadro FX we had in the box. The guy who was testing didn't really enjoy it all that much. the interface has changed, things have been reshuffled, and nothing works how it did before.
I'm waiting. ***** directX10 for now. besides, DX10 video cards are retardedly overpriced right now to begin with. - shm1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I remember the excitement when Win95 was launched. Didn't people queue up like the PS3 idiots to buy Win95 at midnight?
Don't quite remember that happening for XP. Can't see it happening for Vista. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Every single installation of the release version of Vista I've seen has failed in some significant way. It's unstable, won't work with existing "anti-virus" products, is entirely open to external abuse as the built-in "firewall" is easily bypassed, and requires a higher hardware specification than most businesses have. It's an expensive, over-hyped mess.
Game Over, Microsoft! - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I have no reason to upgrade, software of other wise.
Maybe I'll get another HD and install linux.
:^) - viriiman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Link to single page:
http://news.com.com/2102-1016_3-6140699.html?tag=st.util.print - natch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The soothing (oh, DRM? Don't worry, be happy) replies to grazwa make me wonder if there might be a few Microsofties out here on digg doing a little reverse FUD.
- PabloIV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7It did happen for XP. I don't see it happening for Vista though.
I Betaed the damn thing, it's even still running on a couple of computers here at home. The bastard is HEAVY, unless you turn off all the stuff that makes it look pretty, then it'll run just fine. Also a lot of things that XP already does quite well (ie. Media Center) for some reason Vista is having trouble with. Wait until SP2, then upgrade. - bryanedds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm a Windows XP guy all the way. I can't see ANY need for a new operating system on my machine. Windows XP is finally the stable, secure (with free software), feature-packed, and well-supported platform people have been wanting (assuming you turn off the stupid default Fischer-Price interface). As a casual user, game developer, it gives me all I need and doesn't get in my way. In short, it WORKS.
But Microsoft's approach is, if it's not broke, bloat it. XP is already a hog on all of my resources. We don't need any more layers or features than we already have. Of course, you can't make money of off old toys, so there's an incentive there for MS to keep bloating more and more. Thus, Vista will be shoved down our throats.
The bottom line is this - I am staying with XP for as long as absolutely possible. I hope MS keeps supporting XP with automated for a very long time. I do NOT want to change to Vista until I absolutely, absolutely have to. There is no incentive (at least, none contrived by MS) for me to CHANGE WHAT FINALLY WORKS. - starquake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I would make time to drive a free ferrari...
- Zaggynl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+412. Do you want OpenGL emulation which runs crap?
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"People are just riding the Microsoft-hating wave for popularity."
No, we really do hate Microsoft. We wish MS would fall off the face of the Earth and stop holding the industry hostage.
Why is that so hard to believe for some of you? - NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have seen Vista and some of my coworkers reactions to it, most were positive. It does seem to put a whole bunch of missing "fluff" into the system. I believe I will be using it in the forseable future, but I won't be purchasing it myself anytime soon as I see their different versions as a sham.
With XP, there was Home or Professional. Or basically, I don't know what I'm doing and just bought this computer from Future shop or I actually looked at different prices and bought this computer from a very reliable vendor (or built it myself)
With Vista, there is, I want to buy a bunch of stuff because I work for a big company and we need to update everything. Then there are 3 other layers of, basic, basic plus item and finally, a complete version for the low low price of twice what you'd pay for basic.
Home Basic 200USD
Home Premium 240USD
Business 300USD
Ultimate 400USD
Only Ultimate gives you full networking and the media center, along with BitLocker. Media center is crap, but I own a 360 and thus, it makes my life easier... somehow. God forbid I buy Home Premium and want to Remote Login anywhere, but I'm sure that will be offered as a cool upgrade for only 20,000 Microsoft points. Because we can all easily disassociate cost with money when we are suddenly dealing with new denominations, maybe we are supposed to believe we are going to Mexico or something. - cJw314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"1st thing to consider:
are u an old fashion stuck in the old en days old geaser?"
Wow.
Anyway - I see no reason to upgrade to an OS that will make my system run slower. An OS shouldn't be the thing that causes hardware upgrades. -.- - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sorry, but no - DX 9L is NOT an XP version of DX10:
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=829557&SiteID=1
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35140
and DX10 will NOT be available for XP
http://letskilldave.com/archive/2006/10/17/DirectX-10-for-Windows-XP_3F00_--Repeat-after-me_3A00_-No.-No.-No_2E00_.aspx
edit - Chort beat me to it .... - 0004, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4#1: Is your hardware up to scratch?
of course.. you have to scratch the power button a few times in the morning to be able to start the system.
#2: Which edition(s) of Vista do you need?
the free one, duh.
#3: Understand Vista licensing
i do... isn't it GPL ? :P
#4: What about application compatibility?
can it run firefox ?
#5: Assess the network infrastructure
x connects to y...
the toe bone connected to the foot bone,
the foot bone connected to the ankle bone,
the ankle bone connected to the leg bone,
the leg bone connected to the knee bone,
the knee bone connected to the thigh bone,
the thigh bone connected to the hip bone,
the hip bone connected to the back bone,
and the back bone connected to my ISP via the firewall
:P
#7: Are your users prepared?
they better be, or i bring out the meat tenderizer to 'prepare' them
#8: Are support personnel ready?
vista support ?? what is that ??
for support we usually re-image the primary partition... not my problem if they chose to save non-OS files on the primary partition. I told them that a zillion times already, and i move their "my documents" folder to another partition. At least they get a running system back.
#9: Is your data safe?
Yes. We have a backup policy enforcing the use of 1,44MB floppy disks for all backups. They are all stored in the room that also hosts the power transformer for the entire building.
#10: What will it really cost?
zero...
seriously now, you really thought i'd touch vista ? that resource hog won't be seen around here, not for a year at least, most probably only when Vista SP1 will arrive. - Chort, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wrong, DX9L was just the beta name for DX10, the L stands for Longhorn.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sure I'll have to upgrade to Vista eventually (like PC gamers have a choice thanks to the DX10 extortion scheme!), but I am definitely in no hurry to.
Hardware is in a pretty bad transition state right now, it's not a good time to upgrade, and Vista itself is still missing drivers for most things and has quite a few bugs left to work out.
With a release like Vista, you'd only be creating a hassle for yourself if you buy it before the SP1 is released. There's not a single compelling feature in Vista that is worth the trouble.
These early adopters you see are MSDN types, and tinkerers who obsesses with constantly getting new stuff and tweaking their systems. For the rest of us, upgrading to Vista now is a complete waste of time. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4ya i agree with redneck
you had to learn windows too remember? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I'm waiting at least a year before I download it. I understand direct X10 is only vista compatible...why? I bet in the near future someone will make it XP compatible.
- dani8559, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My biggest complaints about RC2, which we've had on a machine in our office:
-While it's not MS's fault, the lack of 3rd party driver support for the new OS, as well as many free apps online.
-The fact that they changed the structure of your remote profile, so extra work needs to be put in by admins on a network with Vista and XP. This also goes for inheriting exhange account information from windows server 2003
-That annoying feature that's on by default which locks up the system and prompts you every time a system change is made
-The new control panel in classic view is sloppy and bloated
-I've had tons of issues with the built-in VPN
-Adding a WebDAV folder as a network place still didn't work as of RC2. You could see the root folders but you couldn't even select them.
-No "Run" under the start menu with the vista style, had to change to classic
-There are some bugs in my install, though I'm not sure they go for everyone: one, when I log off and the computer goes into standby, when I come back to it, I have to wait a minute before I can login because the system has to re-recognize the mouse/keyboard drivers. Two, sometimes after restarting I am given a dialog prompting me to run built-in windows programs from the system32 folder, programs that are supposed to be started by the system, because the system claims not to recognize the company that created them (much like running an executable directly from a download dialog in IE)
-IE 7 complaint: When you are prompted to accept certain security issues, such as a site trying to access your clipboard or an external resource, it's very easy to shift focus back on the browser window. The dialog is separate and shows up as "Internet Explorer" on the taskbar, as if it were a new window. However, it locks up functionality in the browser window until you find the prompt again and allow/disallow whatever it wants. Not a critical issue, but it breaks some usability principles. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"The DRM is vista basically allows media company's to make restrictions easier on media you buy from them, nothing more. The whole DRM in vista thing was way overblown.
Do correct me if I am wrong."
It was ORIGINALLY intended to be much more than that. The original idea was that even software in Vista (Longhorn at the time) would be controlled by hardware-based enforcement of licenses. Software would be DRM'd, not just media. It was supposed to tie in with controls built into Intel's chips, but since consumers balked at buying crippled hardware with spyware features built-in MS had to cut down on their nefarious plans. - s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6have any of you actually used Vista?
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm sorry, but winsupersite may be independent, but it certainly has a bias. Nice try.
- s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if you have ever run any Linux distro as anything but root this is commonplace...
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This article completely lacks any useful information whatsoever, and only lists generic factors one would consider when purchasing any kind of enterprise software.
Having said that, the one item noted that pertains to Vista, which is the importance of Vista's system requirements, is overly exaggerated making one believe that you would have to have a much more powerful system to run Vista. This is only true if you want the FULL experience such as the Aero interface and such, and if you turn off Vista's aesthetics the requirements are not that much higher than XP at all.
I have also noticed that Vista tends to run perceivably faster than XP due to advanced prefetching and file cache algorithms that tend to manage your memory in a much more intelligent manner, always keeping the applications and files you frequently access in the right places at all times for a speedy startup. - DrummerSi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I've run Vista RTM. Games run at the same FPS as they did on XP, all my existing applications run perfectly. Only problem I had was with first installing the sound - That got fixed nothing major.
You whining bunch of *****! Don't Even try and discredit and/or spread "vista rumours" if you havn't heard it.
Independant Vista reviews: www.winsupersite.com - jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Can't wait for SmashMyVistaCD.com
- tazmeister, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol at where I work we're still on win2000, so I think it may be a little while before it considers vista
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