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- mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -10/+280If you can't share your music tastes, music becomes boring.
Sometimes you can just lend your mate an iPod headphone, but sometimes it's easier to send an MP3 via email or burn him/her a CD.
I am not a criminal, just a music lover. - Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -23/+237An alternate headline:
"Adults Think Copying CDs Is a Crime!" - plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -4/+214Of course the humor of this situation is that the teenagers are more correct than the intended audience of the article. Copying CDs ISN'T a CRIME. That is to say, it is not a criminal offense. Copying CDs (provided you are doing it with the intent to distribute, not to make backup copies) would be considered, at best, copyright infringement, which is a civil offense.
This is just another example of RIAA scare-tactics, alarmist, propaganda. It doesn't amount to anything. - mv10, on 10/12/2007, -10/+189of course we know its a crime, we just choose to ignore them because we couldnt care less about the RIAA
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -2/+77"Overprotecting intellectual property is as harmful as underprotecting it. Creativity is impossible without a rich public domain. Nothing today, likely nothing since we tamed fire, is genuinely new: Culture, like science and technology, grows by accretion, each new creator building on the works of those who came before. Overprotection stifles the very creative forces it's supposed to nurture."
-- Federal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Alex Kozinski - NathanBalon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+59I have copied cds for friends in the past. Before cds came popular, I would copy tapes for my friends or they would copy them for me. It introduces them to music that they wouldn't have otherwise known existed. The RIAA and MPAA want the purchaser of their media to listen or watch their products in isolation from others. Is it wrong to invite your friends over to watch a DVD you purchased without them also purchasing the DVD? The more that the RIAA and MPAA pushes to restricted users from view their products the more people will just give up on giving there money to these industries. I personally will not go to a movie or purchase a DVD because of the actions taken by the MPAA.
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -10/+64Better title: Teenagers Don’t Think Copying CDs Is Wrong
They know there is a law against it, but they also know it’s a bad law. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+55" among teens ages 12 to 17"
since when is 12 being a teen? - one2gamble, on 10/12/2007, -4/+56next up
RIAA decides to sue people who hit the record button on their tape decks in 1985 - NinjAlt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43Now do a survey on how many are copying CDs and movies because they're sick to death of the MPAA and RIAA and would rather pirate then give them any more money.
- UnglueD, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44Don't copy that floppy!
- LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -13/+51Do teenagers really care if ANYTHING is a crime?
- econoar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37The RIAA is never going to win, they might as well give up now. It's way too widespread and common.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Dear RIAA/MPAA -From the bottom of our heart, F*** you. We will rip OUR, not yours but OUR own DVDs to watch on our Computers and mobile devices and rip OUR own music to email and send to my friends.
Sincerly teenagers of the world (myself included) - maoa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33To be honest I can see some truth in the survey. A lot of people see piracy as "downloading music/films", the act of recording a film on VHS or making a friend a mixtape is so ingrained in culture that it's understandable that people don't know there's a law against it. It's only selectively enforced (much like the copyright on the Happy Birthday To You song).
My parents are very much against downloading music, but often ask me to make copies of CDs for their friends. They can't see anything wrong with sharing what they own. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35drinking, no,
smoking (tobacco or otherwise), no,
speeding/running red's, no,
underage relations, no,
and the kicker, Piracy- no. - LegendarySock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Best title: No one except the RIAA thinks copying CDs is a crime
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30CamoChris: That is, of course, buying into the RIAA's view that every copied song is a lost sale. It simply isn't true.
Let's take the example of listening to the radio. If broadcasting music for free over the air were illegal, the RIAA would turn around and say that if the radio stations had 50,000 listeners, then they would be losing 50,000 sales per song played. But if you have ever listened to the Backstreet Boys on the radio in your car (you know you have) and all the sudden you weren't able to listen to them over the radio anymore, would you go buy their CD?
For the most part, people have levels of money they are willing to spend on music. If they really like a band, they'll go to a concert, if they like them a bit less, they may buy their CD, below that, they may get the CD used. Below that, they may listen to them on the radio. And below that, they will probably just ignore them completely.
There are studies that have shown that exposure to a type of music increases how much someone will like that kind of music. This is why the RIAA allows radio stations. They know that if someone listens to a band on the radio, they will be more likely to buy the CD or go to a concert. Downloading music is the same way. Someone who is exposed to music via an mp3 they downloaded, will be more likely to buy a CD or go to a concert. The RIAA just hasn't realized this yet. That is not to say everyone who downloads mp3's will go to concerts or even buy CDs, but I can tell you that the vast majority of those people will not go to a concert or buy a CD anyway. - blobzorz, on 10/12/2007, -14/+39I say if I pay for the CD, I can do whatever I want with it. It bought it, it is mine, it is no longer in the possesion of the RIAA because it is mine. But say, renting CD DVD's for profit is ok? (ala blockbuster) Blockbuster payed for the DVD, so they make others pay to view the DVD, which in my view is worse than burning my CD for a friend.
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27From TFA: "Distributing free copies of a purchased CD or DVD is only a federal copyright crime if the value of the copied discs exceeds $1,000, Assistant U.S. Attorney Elena Duarte told the Times."
So in other words, Teenagers don't think copying CDs is a crime, and they are probably right. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27did we ever think it was a crime? I have never ever had the thought "Am I stealing right now?" go through my head as I ripped a cd.
- Cyborg771, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26@CamoChris: Would you happen to work for the RIAA? You should know that the artists barely recieve anything from cd sales. Them make their money from live preformances. When you buy a cd it is the label that makes the money.
- PAJK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23I have bought more movies since I had the internet, and the freedom to download and discover new content, than before I had it.
I intend to buy every season of Penn & Teller BS! now that I have seen every single episode via my favourite (illegal) streaming video service - when otherwise I would not have had access to this content.
The RIAA are shooting themselves in the feet. They need to find ways to embrace this technology and sharing, not ways to stop it - cos that's not gonna happen. Ever. Ever. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Latest news - The RIAA seek legal action against school teacher.
The RIAA today started legal procedings against a school IT teacher who suggested that her students should always back their data up. The problem it appears is that one of her students backed up a recent chart topping album without realising that keeping backups of music is illegal.
A spokeman had this to say "The teacher is blatently at fault here for the theft of our IP, after we bankrupt her and drive her husband to an early grave we intend to push for a ban on the practice of backups throughout the country".
A recent poll of middle aged adults showed that 87% of them didn't know what a backup was indeed 72% of them didn't know what a datafile is and 96% felt that keeping backups was an undesirable activity. It seems clear that these criminals will soon be brought to justice and we will all have to hope that the internets don't send any viruses down the pipes and cause our machines to be hacked and our data, whatever that is, destroyed.
In a related story the MPAA wants people who backup their content labelled as terrorists and executed for treason. - Crypty, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I know damn well that it's a crime. Personally speaking though, I can morally justify committing this crime.
If I wasn't going to buy the CD, nobody misses out on any profit.
Plain and simple: If there was no way to download and share music, I would not listen to it. - DruidGwynneth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Um, Mozart died in poverty, buried in a mass grave.
- dodoporridge, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24Ruining my lawn---no...
- othersomethings, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17They just now realized it's as big a "problem" as PTP downloading? holy crap.
- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18RIAA doesn't tell you what you can or can't do. People have been copying media for the last few decades.
- kingp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14According the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 it is perfectly LEGAL to make a backup copy of ANY music that you own, so long as it is not being made for RESALE purposes. Sounds to me like it is legit
The RIAA seems to forget this little bit of legislation, but since it wasn't in their favor, we shouldn't be suprised. - austinshea, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18i don't think anyone asked kids 15 years ago if they thought making mix tapes was a crime, but, if they had, they'd probably get the same response
- 4degrees, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15thats because its not...
- Saxonx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I personally stopped worrying about the law on cd copying a long time ago. When you criminalize an act so common you are telling teenagers they are criminals. As soon as you tell them that, whats stopping them from doing the rest? Funny thing is, i dont care about the rest, smoking, drinking etc. but then again, ive always been more mature then most kids my age. But I find it hard to feel sorry for a greedy corporation that sues innocent people, or dead peoples families that artists dont even see a large royalty from. They are basically making it worse for them by creating bad PR with lawsuits.
P.S. I dont always pirate, sometimes iTunes gives me better quality and its easier to find. - linkinpark342, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Digg++ for angering the RIAA
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14There's a difference between not knowing that it's a crime and not giving a *****.
I'm sure you'd get the same results on a survey about the legality of jaywalking. - hotpepper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16@blobzorz
You pay to own the content. You own the medium (CD) and a right listen to its content (songs). You don't own the songs on a CD, the recording company (or artist) does. You could own the content if the recording company transferred right of ownership to you, but then no other consumers could own the songs. So while you are right that you own the CD and can do whatever you want with it, you do not own its content and hence do not have the right to do with the content whatever you feel.
I'm not saying whether I think copying music is right or wrong, only that there is a difference between owning a CD and owning the songs on a CD. - knaps, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14This really isn't news. Ask someone who grew up in the 80's and early 90s, and they'll tell you that they didn't think copying tapes or taping radio broadcasts was wrong either. When a "crime" becomes so common, the impact of doing it lessens and lessens. Are the people at the RIAA really so shocked?
- mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14the real crime is when corporations like Sony install ***** into your computer to ***** you over if you import it. The real crime is when you go to a corporate record store, like Tower, and have to pay 18.99 a cd.
If you're a real fan of music, you'll buy these cds at mom and pop stores, see the band live, and share the music with friends - errer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Yeah, way to propagate baseless rumor:
"Because he was buried in an unmarked grave, but not a mass grave, it has been popularly assumed that Mozart was penniless and forgotten when he died. In fact, though he was no longer as fashionable in Vienna as before, he continued to have a well-paid job at court and receive substantial commissions from more distant parts of Europe, Prague in particular [citation needed]. He earned about 10,000 florins per year[4], equivalent to at least 42,000 US dollars in 2006, which places him within the top 5 percent of late 18th century wage earners[4], but he could not manage his own wealth." - grayapple, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Morally, as long as I'm not selling it, I don't see the problem!
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10 * Fair Use* of CD's would include copying one's own CD. I believe that's still the law AND I'm not a teenager. Let the digg-down commence.
- spidoman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10My headline: "Teenagers don't care if copying CDs is a crime"
- NathanBalon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I don't think any one legitimately thinks ripping a CD is a crime besides the RIAA. There are many artist that even support MP3 sharing. The RIAA is pushing hard for the government to restrict an individuals freedom . I don't even feel that it is morally wrong to copy digital content, let alone legally.
- AmishJedi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11we drink, we smoke, we gamble, all risking arrest by the police, do you think we give a flying fudge about copying CDs? NOPE
- TheWalkingDude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The RIAA goes after children because they are an easy target. Who needs music sales when you can sue each kid for $3,000? On the other hand, Chinese supported piracy goes largely unnoticed, because it's more difficult to pick a fight with all of the massive companies seeking to due business there.
http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Chinese_Search_Engine_For_Illegal_Music - morikun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Holy crap! You mean to tell me that all that mixing music on the ol' dual cassette recorder was a crime?
Actually, casual copy was never against the law (not in any cut and dry sense). the Audio Home Recording Act in 1992 made sure that copies made to cassettes and CDs for private use were legal, and royalties were levied on manufacturers of recorders and media. So, no, copying and making mixtapes wasn't technically stealing (unless of course, you were selling them to your friends). - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11What if you distribute said music, NOT for commercial gain?
- TransmitThis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Another Headline!
Teenagers are still using CD's? - lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8They forgot 11! I remember the good ol' days when I was eleventeen.
- pilot3033, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13That's not what the article says though. That's simply your own perception of the issue based on only your observations.
The study (and I'm not saying it's accurate, but it is what is printed) says that teens don't think there is a law against copying a CD for a buddy: "you can make like, two or three I think. Once you get to like 5 though, it's illegal" (rough quote from article, from teen). -
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