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- artanis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+47lol @ "You WILL be sorry."
threats over the internet are the best kind. - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -25/+50@cyanidenfs
Most Americans are racist?
Why don't you google "contaminated water india" and stop throwing around ***** accusations. - Dradis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25"the USA is still the greatest civilization in the history of the world."
Subjective. Define 'greatness'. What constitutes the 'greatest civilization'? The most technologically advanced? The most powerful military? The civilization with the best welfare of its citizens? The civilization with the most freedoms? Surely the US is of the greatest civilizations ever, yes, but I don't think you can effectively claim to be #1 at everything; such a claim is not only impossible to prove, but also completely irrelevant in the end.
"Almost all the major scientific advances of the last 100 years have come from American-educated minds."
Again, subjective ('major'), and a generalization. You've also fundamentally ignored the research and innovation of hundreds of countries and thousands of individuals; the nature of scientific advancement transcends borders, it's the collaborative (read: international) pursuit of knowledge and understanding for ALL.
"We split the atom, we put men on the moon. We will soon have a cure for AIDS."
Actually, Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassman were the first to split the atom in a Berlin laboratory in 1938. Other great international discoveries/ inventions include: Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (Russian), the first man to publish a serious work on space travel by means of a rocket device (You can thank him and others for helping pave the way for the US to go to the moon later), The Chinese inventing gunpowder, Watson and Crick (British) discovering the structure of DNA.
Statements like yours make me seriously question if anyone actually reads science/ history books anymore. Yeah, the US is great, but it's not the only nation on Earth, and it's certainly not the only nation making scientific discoveries and inventions. The sooner you and others like you start to acknowledge America's place as a PART of the global WHOLE, the better off we'll all be.
Now. Go read a science or history book. - splammo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25It is a set of schools ( 7 I believe) established by the government.
"The IITs were ranked 3rd best worldwide for technology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Technology - shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20and sithmat you can bet most of them are studying for free. "international student" programs mean they dont need to shell out $20k for each semester like the rest of us.
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Boy, nothing gets Americans riled up more that suggesting that America's supremacy in any field might be challenged. Even the Digg headline reflects that bias. "Crisis"? It's only a crisis for America. For India and China it's a growing achievement.
- Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Follow the link...its the middle of some blog. No digg. This is sloppy.
- jbn999, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Beijing University? THES ranked it above Columbia University and just below Cornell... go figure?
- Fantt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15This isn't at all surprising. Not in a country where even our own president questions basic science.
- RealmySG1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I hate to beat on an old drum, but sheer numbers does not necessarily guarantee innovation. It takes innovative engineers and scientists for that, not just a boat load of Ph.D.s
With that said, I'm not trying to infer that my Chinese and Indian counterparts are non-innovative, but I'm quite tired of hearing about numbers graduated and little else. I'm just happy that the article had the word 'innovation' in it :-/ - sharkhy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13It's interesting how all of a sudden there's so much criticism of India and China, now that they are in the media spotlight. Nobody cared about them when they were just "developing countries."
Indians and Chinese have been observing the west for years, learning how to improve their nations, and the now they are starting to benefit from it. Maybe now it's time for the west to see what Asia is doing right instead of sitting and bashing their drinking water and universities. - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27Why do you think Americans are prejudiced? Because a couple of trolls on the Internet make it seem so?
At my software company, various engineers from asian backgrounds work side by side with other races. They aren't Indian or Chinese, they are AMERICAN. They don't want to live in India, they want to live here. Why? Because despite all of our problems and our current idiot President, the USA is still the greatest civilization in the history of the world. Almost all the major scientific advances of the last 100 years have come from American-educated minds. We split the atom, we put men on the moon. We will soon have a cure for AIDS.
We may even find a way to stuff more calories into a Pizza Hut pizza. - bristolz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I saw the comment as a concern for the peoples of India and China rather than any sort of put down. The people and the government are, obviously, two very different things and shouldn't be lumped together as governments very often do NOT carry out the wishes of their people.
- daemonx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Some Americans think that they are the only country in the world..I mean, seriously, some of you guys have absolutely no idea or have a very distorted view of the rest of the world...
- parth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14And before you go on dissing Chinese and Indian creativity, stop to think on what they've accomplished. Paper. The decimal system. The first calculators. Gunpoweder. If you want very recent history, the first web-based email, Hotmail, was created by an Indian educated in India. The company with the best consumer speakers, Bose, was founded by someone educated in India. In fact, many of the biggest companies of today were co-founded by Indians educated in India. The list goes on and on.Saying that Chinese/Indians are not creative is making a huge generalization. How would you like it if I said all Americans are fat and lazy?
I feel like I'm ranting and I probably am, but when the comment above by noisey gets 12 diggs, I know something needs to be clarified. - microtopian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Yea, seriously, I saw this one digg on china going to the moon and advancing technology on space exploration and seriously, there were so many comments making fun of this...
People need to stop bashing on other countries' innovations. We're all humans. We need to work together. - szelij, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I do believe they're afraid simply because its the unknown. Asians have been looked down upon for a long time and now it's only that they're beginning to pick themselves up and smashing through. If you look at American or even western society and compare it with Asian society, you'll find that asian people on average are willing to work HARDER and LONGER. This is beginning to cause the labour market in America to contract in certain sectors, so the fear is largely true there.
In the long run, if America does not strenghten itself, it will be a 2nd class nation, after the rising Chinese dragon and the Indian nation. - CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Probably not news to many, but even starting from the 1960's, there were more people in Japan with engineering degrees per capita than in the U.S., which built the little Island Nation into an Economic Powerhouse with the 2nd biggest Economy in the World after the U.S., which has over twice the population. Japan has held onto this position for about 4 decades but China will easily eclipse them real soon...
- Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I can hardly see why this is a crisis as the title implies. Advancement in technology thrives in a climate with a free exchange of ideas across cultures. This is positive for India and China, and therefore it is positive for the world.
- splammo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25@sithmat
do yourself a favor and google "indian institute of technology" and read up. - Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21What's with you Americans? Why are you so afraid?
If indeed Asian countries will be proved to be more innovative is not their fault. You have to leave you war-***** inventions and try to make more innovations on usefull fields so that compete them, by fearing them or saying it's not big deal won't solve your problems. BTW innovation is not a bad thing from whatever country it comes if it's not for military purposes. If indeed India and China become the next big innovators and culture giants is not that you will live worse than you already live, it's more that more people will start to live at American or European standards and maybe even higher, including you, because innovation means more money for everybody, largely thanks to your innovations we Europeans live as well. Of course this will come if big cultures will co-exist and don't strive -stupidly- to wipe one another.
At the current state of things -as a neutral European that I am- I don't fear Asian countries, I fear USA's reaction. Try not to screw things up (your (Americans') president I mean) - diggforecast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Wonder if any one noticed, the article doesn't mention "India" even once!!!
Cut the crap and get back to work. - existent, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci, Archimedes -- all American.
- shreky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10exactly, I do agree. There were no mention of China's poor and bad government on fox news until they realize china is about to become the new number 1 super power. Now they are bashing the government. I see fear and the main reason they are so strong against globalization.
- sparkyhodgo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Rediculous. This was big news about 2 months ago, and then quickly debunked. They are counting the equivalents of associates degrees in China and India as full college degrees. The numbers are nowhere near that high.
And anyway, since when was the world closed? Many Chinese get their educations in the US and go back to China. Many Americans get their educations in Europe and go back to America. Its not like this is a one-way street. - kazem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Don't forget that most graduate students in the sciences in the USA are foreigners.
- SoldierPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Crisis? I can't see why, larger population = larger amount of kids in college etc..
The thing is the Asian countries are very competitive about college and degrees.
Heck, right now US isn't number 1 in education I don't see that blarring out my speakers or on my screen.... - techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Umm...wow is the submitter of this article is the most racist out of everyone here. Umm...how is a lot of Indian and Chinese engineers bad?
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10You people??? That's the dead giveaway phrase for someone who is prejudiced. We aren't individuals but a group to be judged as one.
- andthereitgoes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Someone talked about "greatest civilization"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_civilization
Civilizations are not build in a day, a month or a year.
Considering the fact America got its Independence in the year 1776. That makes it 230 years ago.
India acquired its Independence in the year 1947. That makes it 59 years.
Everyone knows what Independence means to a country and what it can do for a country.
230 years of Independence and everyone knows where America stands today.
59 years of Independence and everyone knows where India stands today.
Agreed that all the major innovations come from America and yes America is technologically advanced,
and yes American universities are more innovative, more creative and more everything.
Respect to every innovation, discovery and creation. Respect to all scientists all over the world many of whom
became / become Americans but;
Zero - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryabhata
Mathematics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics
Trigonometry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trignometry
Sanskrit for programming Artificial Intelligence http://www.gosai.com/science/sanskrit-nasa.html
just to name a few
MIT established in 1861,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT
Carnegie Institute of Technology ( currently CUM ) founded 1900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Mellon_University
UC Berkley founded in 1868 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Berkley
Just to name a few American top universities
Some one mentioned there aren't any Famous Indian universities.
Now lets talk about the Indian universities
IIT Bombay established in 1958 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIT_Bombay
IIT Kharaghpur established in 1946 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIT_Kharagpur
There are 5 more ( IITs )
IIM Ahmadabad established in 1961 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Management
There are 5 more ( IIMs )
where the acceptance rate is only 1% of the candidates; even with a top score.
there is almost a difference of 100 years between the American universities and Indian universities
Heck give India 230 years and you shall see what a "great civilization" is.
In just 60 years time Indian universities are at par with the best Indian universities.
Rome wasn't build in a day.
So people need to change from AMERICA = WORLD to America is just another country on Earth.
and do something about ( Mr President ). This ( his deeds ) is really going to hurt America / Americans in long term. That is really sad.
In terms of world economy India is already showing great signs. By 2040 ( Almost 100 years after independence compared to 264 years of independence ( for America) )
India is already going to be third largest economy in the world.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/04/28/stories/2004042804591800.htm
http://www.gs.com/insight/research/reports/99.pdf
And if you think you ha vent heard of Goldman Sachs. Here is the link http://www.gs.com/
Yes, students from India come to American universities for studies because as stated above, American universities are innovative and technologically advanced. Currently that is. But why not, there is no harm in learning is there? Apart from that Smart Indians dint think INDIA = WORLD. Its only 1.5 lakh students every year ( 65000 to 130000 visas per year ). Where do all these students disappear
after they graduate, some go back to India, most of them get a job in some company in America. Hence, thousands of Indian minds are working behind the creation of "Greatest Civilization".
Stop being so narrow minded learn to embrace and be smart :D
The final aim for everyone is to be "happy" ( i hope ). Are Americans the happiest people in the world ?
are Indians happiest people in the world?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5456869/site/newsweek/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3157570.stm
So technology hardly matters if your final goal is become happy and satisfied. - quasipalm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"Some Americans think that they are the only country in the world..I mean, seriously, some of you guys have absolutely no idea or have a very distorted view of the rest of the world..."
Remember, the west has very high Internet penetration rates -- which is to say a lot more of our dumb asses are online than are your dumb asses.
In other words, you can't say that Americans are dumb based on what you read online. It's a skewed dataset.
Anyone else tired of every article about x and y countries turning into flame wars? - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12cyanidenfs
There may be more competition in India than in the USA for PhDs, but that doen't mean anything because there are far more people in India. Besides, more IIT grads come to the US than smart americans go to India. - sithmat, on 10/12/2007, -23/+30Good thing the top Chinese and Indian students are studying at American colleges. Can anyone name one distinguished Chinese or Indian university?
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This is an innacurate and misleading title. The exclusive focus on engineers is stupid, especially when connected with science/innovation.
- darkpath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Even if China and India surpass the US in number of degrees... I'm curious as to the quality of the training. Believe me, I don't mean to imply that Chinese and Indian universities are subpar to the US overall, but I wonder how many high-quality professors are there. I've heard some great things about some technological advancments coming from both India and China, but the majority I hear about happen in US universities. Being an American, I'm sure that this is at least partly due to me only hearing the news from American channels rather than world-media.
Personally, however, I have no real problem with this happening. My hope is that India and China will push current technology and drive innovation even more than the US. Stemming from this, I would then hope that the US steps up its efforts in development and education for up-and-coming engineers, pushing the US into some of the top spots again.
Whoever happens to be pushing out the most engineers, however, the innovations these people will create do not benefit only one country. In the end, it's not single entities that prosper... it's the world. For that, I applaud the efforts of all countries pushing the education for the innovators of tomorrow. Be they American, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, or any other nationality, it's the world that moves forward. - burnt1ce85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The reason why China (and maybe some other countries) have a high percentage of engineers because the Chinese think highly of engineers and do not think for a second that they're boring. I'm sure if this was the mentality in America, the percentage of engineers would increase.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Wrong, we need more lawyers. If we just sue each other, we'll all be rich, right?
- justinvt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As an american engineer, who graduated from an American university I can very easily say that Chinese students were WAY more hard working and ambitious than american students, but thats ALL culture. The generation of Americans going to college now (which I am a part of) are very spoiled and refuse to legitimately learn the material and understand it. I was impressed by the work ethic of Chinese students, but there always seemed to be more of an emphasis on getting good grades and working as hard as possible, than on being innovative, creative, or unique. One of my best friends in college was a chinese exchange student, so we discussed this at great length...Anyway, of course you can't generalize about an entire nation of people. In the US every other college student wants to go to med school and be a doctor, but who knows if they really want to help people or if they just want to say that they are a doctor. I think the most important part of this equation is the ATTITUDE of the individuals...If they just want to make money that sucks. If they genuinely want to enrich society and do something creative then I think that is what really matters.
- Dradis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@cyanidenfs
"This just reaffirms the fact that most Americans are racist."
I can't decide whether this is simply a really idiotic generalization, or a racist comment unto itself. Since part of racism is, "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability", Perhaps both.
By the way, I'm not American or inordinately pro-American by any means; so please don't think that I am and let that colour your opinion of my statement. - returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"Don't forget that most graduate students in the sciences in the USA are foreigners."
How very true. I would wager that at least 75% of the students in my graduate department are here on Visas. - parth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9China maybe with all their communist standardizizng could be considered homogenous, but India, give me a break! There are more religions, languages, ways of life, anything pretty much in India than here. 3 Religions with over 10% following. 16+ official languages. One of the widest differences in lifestyles between people, from completely westernized to like it is 4000 BC. What you're saying is like saying that all Native Americans look the same to you, and that's because you've only seen a few. Before you say that India is generalized (maybe China is after so many years of goverment supression), maybe look at the CIA factbook or scan the Wikipedia entry at the very least.
- artanis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9and Fox News!
- mfhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@einerdo,
You are wrong.
Linux was written by a Finnish (as in Finland) grad student, Linus Torvalds.
Windows was architected by a Hungarian expatriate, I can't recall his name right now. Its horrendous variable-naming shorthand is called Hungarian notation.
They're both Americans now, of course, but that's the real beauty of America. Not blind nationalism, but accepting of improvements from outside world.
And Mac OS ... I don't know, but I think it's currently is based on a lot of work done by the BSD team and Mach teams, Berkeley and Carnegie-Mellon being top educational destinations for international engineers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18Dude, it's not like the universities give out PHDs for fun. The whole Indian education system isn't some lame ass cottage industry. There's a hell of a lot more competition here than in the U.S. Trust me.
- noisey, on 10/12/2007, -18/+22Because of the homogeneous culture of both India and China, I doubt this will be any threat to American innvoation. The massive numbers involved suggests that only people prone to conformity will graduate with degrees. Hire an American if you want creative intelligence, hire one of these generic graduates if you need a caluclator.
You know it's true. - valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8well maybe u should comment instead of asking people to digg your comment down?
- pagit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Here in Canada, most engineers from these mentioned countries that immigrate here have a hard time finding jobs in the engineering sector of their education and end up going back to school for another 4 years because of substandard education (and to a lesser degree, language).
I believe that "engineer" would be more of a "technician" to our Canadian and our American friend's standards.
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Just because they are passing people more degrees doesnt mean anything. If they don't have the same standards it means nothing.
- BIllyBobFett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"exclusive focus on engineers is stupid"
Engineers are the people who design new technologies. Everyone who actually designs cool new things is some sort of engineer. And the cool new technologies translate directly into economic success or military power. So it is very important to have a lot of engineers. Also, as an engineering major in college, I would like to say that if you have a non-technical major like history or law, I entirely blame America's future slide from greatness on you. I just hope you're proud of yourselves. - kozie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5So about 2.2 Billion vs. 300million in population... Even given that these countries do not have per capita the same amount of resources...
And they are starting to churn out more engineering students? My guess is that this has been happening for a long time...
$20k for a semester? That, is insanity. -
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