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- thedzigner, on 05/16/2008, -3/+198What on earth?? This is ridiculous!!
Again, legislation to scare the crap out of the common guy, while terrorists and other legitimate 'bad guys' will never get caught, as they will take precautions. What's happening to this world, and who are the crack-heads deciding on all this? - saxreturns, on 05/16/2008, -7/+168As a UK citizen about to visit the US to see a friend, I was considering taking my laptop, but if this is the kind of reception I'll get then I won't bother bringing it. I love some of your citizens, I ***** hate your government.
- voxtarri, on 05/16/2008, -0/+115How is this constitutional?
- geegel, on 05/16/2008, -3/+98Let me guess. This is all in the name of protecting freedom.
- buffyangel108, on 05/16/2008, -1/+77TrueCrypt: defending your constitutional rights since 2004
- variaas, on 05/16/2008, -2/+78Let's start with the most important piece, the ruling itself: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/6D ...
I just did a cursory read of the ruling and have a couple questions:
1) If there is company sensitive data on the laptop, what type of privacy is afforded there? For example, if some exec from Coca Cola is walking around with the formula to the syrup, is there any measure in place to prevent a border agent from retrieving the formula and publishing it? (And I know that Coca-cola execs don't walk around with the formula in the laptop. This is just an example of highly sensitive material on laptops.)
2) The ruling doesn't mention anything about providing passwords and helping law enforcement, which the article points out. Could someone make a 5th amendment case against providing that information? The ruling does mention that when entering the border, we should expect less freedoms, but I would argue your rights are rights where ever you stand on US soil.
3) This is my own lack of knowledge, but does this also involve shipments? If I ship my laptop home to me, do custom/border agents have the right to search the contents of the shipment, or just inspect the contents?
The basic argument came down to two sides - the defendant who argues that hard drives are just an extension of your own memory, and the government who sees a hard drive as a modern day briefcase. I lean towards the former, but the latter can definitely make sense. I'm sure that my first question has already been answered, since before the days of computers businessmen carried confidential documents.
I would really love to have that debate - is the hard drive more an extension of your being/memory, or is it just another container of personal contents like a briefcase? - TheLoneWolf071, on 05/16/2008, -2/+65I've said it before and I'll say it again, TrueCrypt
- BaudiIROCZ, on 05/16/2008, -5/+56WELCOME TO THE LAND OF THE FREE!
- silicon, on 05/16/2008, -4/+52I think everyone should rick roll the TSA
- alphgeek, on 05/16/2008, -2/+47I think someone wiped their arse on that bit of the constitution...it's a bit hard to read now...
- thespi007, on 05/16/2008, -4/+46cheap @$$holes want to steal free porn
- sweetlamar, on 05/16/2008, -1/+42this has nothing to do with security. it's about control. we are slowly losing our freedom.
- chuckles08, on 05/16/2008, -9/+47just don't live in or go to america.
- ezzonguard, on 05/16/2008, -10/+47crackhead-in-chief
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush - tiuk, on 05/16/2008, -0/+37I think they stopped worrying about that a long time ago.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -4/+37The real terrorists are the United States Government!
Wake up! - whitecranberry, on 05/16/2008, -2/+34Fascists.. Look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism .. everyday the US gets one step closer to meeting that definition. As for protecting your data, best thing to do is leave the laptop at home or don't goto the US.
- blazes816, on 05/16/2008, -2/+34Looks like you'll have to kill them.
- davebg8r, on 05/16/2008, -4/+35Welcome to the new world order.
But these practices can only continue to exist if you go along willingly. You must refuse clearly and repeatedly. - TremorX, on 05/16/2008, -2/+30LOL, eeePC! Just put a Fisher Price or "Baby's First Laptop" sticker on it and they won't take a second glance at it.
- DiggsOnlyJew, on 05/16/2008, -3/+31"But the US is not alone. British customs agents search laptops for pornography."
You must "*****" hate your government as well... - Amazetbm, on 05/16/2008, -4/+31I feel your pain. But c`mon, man. How am I supposed to feel with those damn cameras on almost every corner in London? The last I heard, the guys monitoring the cameras can actually talk back to you if you litter.
- wallyhartshorn, on 05/16/2008, -0/+25Here's the part that caught my attention: "keep it for several days". WTF?! Snoop on my data, fine, I don't like it, but whatever. But TAKING my laptop and KEEPING it for SEVERAL DAYS?!
- aahpandasrun, on 05/16/2008, -3/+27This is the kind of stuff that the terrorists want us to do. Stop searching people's laptops and useless ***** like that and start infiltrating and breaking up cells!
- CamperBob, on 05/16/2008, -2/+26The original idea, though, is that we're supposed to be better. That is why it sucks. Nobody would be surprised if this happened in North Korea.
- Harrison88, on 05/16/2008, -2/+26Yet another reason not to visit the US. Canada/Australia/New Zealand here I come.
- grimfandango, on 05/16/2008, -0/+24How long before border control check your software licenses to ensure you're not bringing in pirated software? or viruses? or an application that's on the countries black list?
This is a worrying trend that can surely only get worse. - afloyd60, on 05/16/2008, -3/+26Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
all laws contrary to the Constitution are null and void. legalize the constitution, vote for ron paul - kc9ews, on 05/16/2008, -1/+22The terrorists win ......
- themonkman, on 05/16/2008, -1/+22What the *****? No, I shouldn't HAVE to hide my data to protect myself from illegal search and seizure. I'm a god damned American citizen, and unless there is probable cause to search the protected data on my laptop, I will simply not give out my password. If they don't like it, they can file charges and I'll take it all the way to the US Supreme Court to have it ruled as unconstitutional.
Besides, I wonder how companies who fly their employees around with sensitive intellectual property data feel about this. - mfc5200, on 05/16/2008, -0/+20Put a video called Jihad_Osama_mission.avi on your desktop, let it be a rick roll. I would be more than willing to get miss my flight if someone in front of me did something like that.
- GothAlice, on 05/16/2008, -1/+20AFIK customs isn't US soil. It's a patch of Gestapo-land.
- DiggyWiggy, on 05/16/2008, -3/+22I think you're being dugg down because you misspelled beast.
- duke_nate, on 05/16/2008, -0/+18And for a great explanation and How-To on TrueCrypt, check out Episode 41 of Security Now.
http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm#41
They talk about making a encrypted drive inside of an encrypted drive, so even if they make you give up your password to the first drive, you can have plausible deniability or something like that to deny that your super serious data even exists in the 2nd one. Would be great for getting by these TSA morons at the airports. - xtremesniper, on 05/16/2008, -1/+19Yeah, why not? Just have it so your laptop plays a rick roll video right when it comes back up from sleep, and then yell in their face "RICK ROLL'D!!!!!". That'll get you on the plane and on your way much quicker.
- rootbeerinacan, on 05/16/2008, -2/+20I don understand why they search for porn... isn't it legal?
- BDOUG, on 05/16/2008, -1/+18Considering how many times i've seen TrueCrypt and PGP bandied about, no doubt Customs, etc, will figure this out, too. I'm not knocking the programs, they're great. Just beware that if you use them you may be setting yourself up for 'double secret detention' and maybe some water poured up your nose. Such is the state of our Big Brother administration here in the US. I for one have pretty much given up on travel considering what an expensive, hassle it is these days and how they treat us all like cattle to be processed. They are paranoid, lazy, and stupid and it's easiest for them to just intimidate us all into staying home. I guess they win, I lose. :-(
- bjs3171, on 05/16/2008, -0/+15if my porn was unnecessary, I wouldn't have downloaded it in the first place.
- buffyangel108, on 05/16/2008, -0/+15"Privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches" (4th Amendment) for one :)
- wedges, on 05/16/2008, -0/+14Who says this is only relevant to aliens? From what I understand, U.S. citizens are also subject to search.
- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -15/+29America isn't the only country that does this bucko.
- MisterWormwood, on 05/16/2008, -0/+14Constitutional?
How quaint. - RonBurgundy76, on 05/16/2008, -0/+14Now give us that laptop or go to jail.
- britblogger, on 05/16/2008, -2/+15this is no better than the yellow-jacketed douche standing at the door of Best Buy asking for my ***** receipt.
what happened to innocent until proven guilty? there's little wonder we're so pissed off. - RonBurgundy76, on 05/16/2008, -0/+13It's also probably for the children.
- manogamez, on 05/16/2008, -0/+12Pssst.....They don't exist. When was the last time you saw one being broken up on CNN or FOX?
- VeritasAequitas, on 05/16/2008, -6/+17I'm from here and I hate a lot of the citizens and the government. and before someone tells me to leave if I don't like it, I'm trying but my fiance doesn't want to leave her family. And I don't want to leave her :(
- ninja0, on 05/16/2008, -0/+11Free as in not free
- DiggyWiggy, on 05/16/2008, -0/+11You mean, thing before you type.
- cbd37, on 05/16/2008, -0/+11FACT CHECK: Canada dose NOT search or copy your hard drive when entering the our country.
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