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TOR: German police are *not* cracking down on Tor.
boingboing.net — "Yesterday, I posted word from a BoingBoing reader in Germany that police had seized a number of Tor servers in the course of a crackdown ops on internet child pornography. This was correct, but there's more to the story..."
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- joeyd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Yeah, To Protect the children
- ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3why not just ASK for the servers? Im sure TOR would have complied
- D14BL0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Tor isn't a "they". Tor isn't an organized group of people. Do some research.
- nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I thought the nature of TOR was not to leave any tracks. Apparently not completely so. Nicely informative little article digg
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8TOR doesn't leave tracks to the originator of the data request. Since you're familiar with the basics, just know that after your request gets routed (and the request/data is all encrypted BTW), it will eventually have to get to the actual website. If that website is on a TOR server, it's a hidden node, and you're pretty much safe, as the data is still encrypted.
Now, if you're going to some public site, the end TOR server has to make that HTTP request (or FTP or whatever) in plaintext, since that public site isn't running TOR. This TOR computer, which has to be set as an "exit node" by the person who sets it up, makes the request, grabs the data, encrypts it, then sends it back to you via an obfuscated and encrypted route.
So basically, *if* you run a TOR server, and *if* you have it set to an exit node, then the IP for that computer will show up on public sites. But keep in mind that if you are running an exit node, then then FBI/whoever still has nothing on you, since they can't prove you made the request (and of course the way TOR is set up, that may even be impossible, you probably have to go through other nodes). The original request and content all goes to the guy who is at the originating node. His IP remains hidden, as it stops at the first TOR node, which is not an exit node. After node 1, no one can find out his IP (even if it wasn't encrypted, which it is). - D14BL0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Tor doesn't leave tracks if you browse Onion sites. If you browse "normal" sites, then Tor leaves tracks.
- badbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, Tor does not leave tracks.. at all. No one will ever know it's you.
Unless you're meaning something else, but "leaving tracks" implies that someone could trace it back to you, which they cannot.
If you went to buttsecks.com through a tor circuit, no one would know it's you - ever.
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8TOR doesn't leave tracks to the originator of the data request. Since you're familiar with the basics, just know that after your request gets routed (and the request/data is all encrypted BTW), it will eventually have to get to the actual website. If that website is on a TOR server, it's a hidden node, and you're pretty much safe, as the data is still encrypted.
- Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1what is TOR?
- DiamondIce, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Google is your friend.
- ePlus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4/me pats google
- D14BL0, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Don't ask, don't tell.
- r0Ot3d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Nice digg, thanks for the update. Dugg.
/me loves Irc& TOR - NikoKun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6O_o I highly doubt that seizing the Tor servers will gain them ANYTHING...
but of course, they just assume they can get whatever they want off of it... I'd laugh at them to see the look on their face when no traceable information is on those servers...
If they want to track down child porn criminals, they'll have to do it some other way, because Tor is made to be untraceable. Even on the server end, it doesn't store logs of who does what...
Yes Tor could be abused, and I'm sure some sickos do... but its just an annonymous proxy... so whats it gonna gain them by taking the servers?- NikoKun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Actually, its more likely they seized the servers because some ass was usin Tor to look at cp websites... Thus the Tor server's IP would then show up on the cp website's logs, instead of the guy's IP.
I hope this doesn't ruin Tor for others, just because 1 sick perv was lookin at CP with it... -_- - DaLeech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Come on, like they said the police was raiding every ip address, and those TOR servers got mixed up in it. Its like netting tons of fishes and finding 6 prawns, how do u expect the police to know any better?
- NikoKun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Actually, its more likely they seized the servers because some ass was usin Tor to look at cp websites... Thus the Tor server's IP would then show up on the cp website's logs, instead of the guy's IP.
- bobfuller30004, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Running TOR as an 'Exit Node' means that _your_ IP address will shows up in logs of the destination IP address. If the destination IP address is doing 'bad' things then 'bad' things could happen to you. Like seizure of your computer by uneducated, misinformed Governments...or worse.
- badbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FUD.
The fact that it uses your IP is 100% irrelevant because nothing can happen to you legally.
The whole CONCEPT behind Tor is that you are channeling requests for others. *IF* your exit node downloads something questionable, you can't get charged with anything because *YOU* did not make the request.
For example, someone downloads pictures of buttsecks using your exit node and the cops come knocking. They will see you're running a Tor server and most likely will stop there. In the very rare case that they take your machine to look at it, since you did not download the material in question, you will not have what they're looking for.
They don't just blindly imprison everyone who runs it. They can't just say, "Your IP was logged doing this and this. While we don't exactly have proof, that must mean you're the one doing it, and are guilty!" It doesn't work like that.
- badbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FUD.
- maxstr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1And I thought Tor was to protect from exactly this kind of identification. Wow...not very anonymous after all, huh? I mean, if the police can find out who you are, then I'm sure any government official can do it
- badbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They can't. What are you talking about?
Do you even know how Tor operates?
- badbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They can't. What are you talking about?
- josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Conan had a clip of the German Police in action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeKVBipYwIw- dermeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Haha that was obviously fake, but funny as hell!
- cynicist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0maxstr, the server itself isn't anonymous. Anyone who is using the server, is.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Deutschland, ich kann in dir nochmal glauben, danke. Weil ich nicht eine Deutscher bin, ich könte fast nicht glauben dass soetwas in Deutschland passieren könte ( wan ich das erste gesehen hatte ) , aber ich glaubte doch da rhine, unt mit vielen dank kann ich jetzt sagen dass ich nicht richtig war, soetwas kann hier in Amerika passieren, aber in Deutschland ist es noch nicht so. Ich hoffe dass es so bliebt, und dass Amerika von Deutschland etwas lehrnt.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Rough Google translation:
"Germany, I can believe in you again, thanks. Because I am not a German, I did not könte nearly believe that soetwas in Germany happen könte (wan I had seen first), but I believed nevertheless there rhine, unt with thank you can I now say the fact that I was not correct, soetwas can in America happen here but in Germany is it not yet so. I hope that it remained in such a way, and that America of Germany something learnt. "
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