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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Can you say 'latency'?
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14They have 30Mbps available where I live.
Then again, it's $200/month. - Omar0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"T-Mobile's plans involve using HSDPA to ramp up the data transfer rates of its 3G service from the current 384kbps to 1.8Mbps in 2006, and then onto 20Mbps by 2010."
2010? Verizon FIOS can achieve a rate of 15Mbps of download. I think the technology is too far off to really shake up the market, because the current dominators will, of course, upgrade their services. - RyanSK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11FIOS is not a mobile technology. The important thing to remember here is that HSDPA, or 3.5g, is all mobile. Just imagine, being able to hop on your laptop tethered to your mobile and surf the web at "faster than cable" speeds, all for $15 a month.
If they can pull it off over here, that's some major competition. Verizon Wireless' EVDO is currently in 160? markets, and is 3 times as much at $60 a month. And EVDO pulls down about 3mbps, making it about the speed of cable. It's still wildly popular, because you don't have to rely on a hotspot to hop online. - jgstew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8its not that verizon fios "CAN" reach 15mbps download, its that verizon only lets it achieve 15mbps download. Fiber optic technology is capable of far more than 15 or 20 mbps. I'm sure if this T-moblie technology came out today verizon would have to respond by offering faster fios at lower rates in overlapping areas, but neither are happening anytime soon.
- JustinLeung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i can guarantee that if it comes to the US it will cost a hell of a lot more than $15.
- dfwgreg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9looks like it's for T-Mobile UK . . . . DAMN!!!!!
I was looking forward to this. - Dan100, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I didn't use tinyurl.com as that could be a link to a malware site or another nasty :-)
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It would not go through a single cell tower, but many. But the article is primarily about deployment in the UK, not the US.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Reality check on aisle 22.
- mattymayhem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What about Intel's new WiMax technology? I'd be tipping that WiMax would take off better than all these 3G services.
- adamlindsay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5HA HA, let me tell you a little something about T-Mo and data. Many moons ago, they had the best data plan ever. $5.99/mo would get you all-ports-open gprs, on any phone. This was eventually reduced to just port 80. Just recently this was reduced further to only approved sites. Now the only way to get a decent data plan is to pay the jacked up prices on a BlackBerry or CE5.0 phone/plan. Ok great what about those of use that own a phone that has bluetooth and can act has a data modem for our laptops. T-Mo's Answer: Take a hike.
My contract is up in July, and I am looking forward to leaving them after being a customer for the last 3yrs. This past year has been a nightmare, and their evaporation of services is nothing short then disappointing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Cablevision (Optonline.net) is offering 30Mb/2Mb for $65, and 15Mb/2Mb for $50 here in NJ. They are testing 50Mb/50Mb in Long Island, NY.
Cablevision ran fiber to the curb back in 2000 here, so they can offer whatever they need to stay competitive. Competition (with Verizon FIOS) is a good thing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If the ping times are comparable (to cable) then I'm all for it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5wireless broadband has been tried to death here in australia and it's a failure. main reasons are signal loss which leads to horrible performance, and even under normal conditions ping times can be horrible anyway.
- briareus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I don't understand why you would need broadband on a PDA."
You've obviously never tried browsing the web via GPRS or EDGE on a handheld... - dcheung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Latency is going to be an issue. Anyone that has tried a mobile connection will know this. EDGE, EVDO, 3G all currently have latency issues. Maybe this will cause a new direction in application design where latency is accounted for in the near future.
- veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Cingular already has a HSPDA in a few markets in the US and costs the same as GPRS/EDGE ($20-25 unlimited depending on when you signed up). Problem is there are almost no phones that support it.
And EVDO for $60 is a separate card and account specifically for your computer not just an add on service to your phone that you can tether to your computer like in this article. - shadedream, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All those wishing this will happen in the US will basically need to dream on... from the article it appears this is in response to the telco offering free broadband with their phone service etc.
T-Mobile wont offer this here because they don't have to. Telco's basically have no competition and can charge almost whatever they like. If they want a rate hike or dont like the way things are going all they have to do is tell the government (and by extention, consumers) to bend over and take it.
When I see FIOS and similar speed services in more areas for a decent price my oppinion on this might change. As it stands now most companies will keep consumers at the ***** level of service they can based on the competition. And the telco's are still trying to wriggle their way out of putting fiber to the curb like they'd told the goverment they'd do in return for their rate hikes. - BrotherGA2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3well...thats not necessarily true...of course fiber optic will be faster for a while...but if most consumers are able to get it at sufficient speeds, and cheaper at that, then definately capable of being a replacement.
- Rosewood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ mr. hopeful - there is no way tmobile USA would roll something like this out here. First, when they drop the big cash in this up and coming spectrum auction, they will then just be able to offer something like this. Then they are going to have to pay for all that spectrum somehow. Surely it is going to come out of the pocket of those that want to use it!
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Also, how exactly can they predict an accurate price now? How can they predict exactly how the market will be by 2010? For all they know, by that time broadband might be $5 for anything up to 100Mbps (assuming fibre networks get a move on).
- Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If anything I'm sure they would test it out first in Hawaii. When they first started as Voicestream they originally tested the market here in Hawaii due to the size of the islands.
- chrisu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Europe has to be the best place to test stuff like this out. check out http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/substats.shtml under "regional breakdown"
also, when I went to the US the with my o2 phone the coverage was awful, how can you launch a 20mb service when you can't even manage GSM yet? - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Er, no. EVDO doesn't pull anything close to 3Mbps. More like 500Kbps, if you are lucky and the connection is solid.
I'm skeptical of HSDPA hitting 20Mbps. Unless you are sitting in the control room of a tower... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just what is their policy on sharing the connection? Are they going to expect every computer in the home to get a $15 account?
- ajwillys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'll digg anything that increases telco/ISP competition!
Don't argue over which is best, lets just get more out there! - skoops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well, from my own experience... Latency on a 3G wireless connection can be somewhere between 350 and 700ms (depending on the location of the target-server)
- Dan100, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Better story, if huge URL:
http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?T-Mobile%20enters%20UK%E2%80%99s%20broadband%20price%20war&StoryID=86904E12-8A69-430D-9D20-82BB9C9CDC1C&SectionID=F3B76EF0-7991-4389-B72E-D07EB5AA1CEE
(hope it's not session-specific!) - Rosewood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Awesome. Here in the states, Tmobile USA charges me $20 (and Im a lucky one) for ***** EDGE speeds.
What a bunch of crap :( - scotty588, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Site seems to be down heres the dugg mirror http://www.duggmirror.com/technology/T-Mobile_s_20Mbps_3G_service_to_replace_home_broadband/
- Clearz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4And the solution to that is.... well...... start using subspace transmitions.
- siouxmoux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am wondering if this service is available in my area and will this would force comcast to match their speeds for the same prices??
- microdude431, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have FIOS and the speed is great. I have the 15/2 package and the speed has never changed at all. Over the next few months, Verizon will be lowering their prices:
30/5 - $44.95
15/2 - $29.95
5/2 - $14.95
Its not confirmed, but its what I have heard from people on dslreports.com who have talked to several Verizon employees. I know right now in some areas in NY, you can get 30/5 for $55/month. - podgey22, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Bwa-ha-haaa
Thing is we'll all be eating lasers by 2010 and wont give a flying scotchman about how fast a mobile can give us connectivity... I'm talking about total wifi saturation... no reason it couldnt or wouldnt be done. - dcheung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you should read about the 't-zone' hack that many of us use on t-mobile. The sad part is other than email i really don't do much on the phone other than the usual look up some odd things. Latency itself makes the experience so bland. Although you can DL faster (makes updating software easier), it still feels like the old 56k era where you have to wait a few seconds before the webpages load....
Bandwidth is not an issue, it's the latency =( - signal15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Latency will probably suck, you just can't have that many people on the same frequency transmitting a ton of data without some sort of TDMA or CDMA tech underneath.
Plus, I'd be surprised if T-mobile could actually pull it off. 2010? Someone else is going to come out with something better by then, and TMO is going to have dumped a bunch of money into an "obsolete" tech. Whatever happened to companies being agile? That's something we only see with Apple I guess. - veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2NO, HSPDA phone selection is almost non-existent. Geez, almost every cell phone nowadays has GPRS or EDGE. I only compared the price of GPRS/EDGE to the price of HSPDA.
- sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I'm having trouble getting more then 20mbps with my 108mbps router..."
...tha'ts cause all your neighbors are using it, too. You'd better encrypt your connection :-P - retral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Wireless has negligible latency, try doing a ping between an 802.11b/g wireless connection and a wired desktop that's on the same LAN. < 1ms. A high quality wireless connection takes the latency factor out of the equation."
Have you ever tried transferring thousands of small files that sum up to a few GB in size? That's where you'll notice the difference... I don't care what WLAN you have, it's not faster than wired. - neondiet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
I live in the UK and I've been with Orange for the past several years. I've been more than happy with their service. Having seen my work colleagues experiences with Vodaphone's 3G, I've not been tempted to get into this technology at all, not even Orange's offering. I just don't consider it value for money, its way too expensive. But if T-Mobile can pull off an affordable flat rate 1.8Mb/s and do it this year, I'll switch in a heart beat. That's definitely something I would go for. - bigredgpk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2WiMax is def the future, i think they have labeled it the 4G network. If T-Mo is smart they'll get this rolling and get some high end WiMax handhelds, PC cards, and routers. Give me this for $40 a month (my current comcast bill) and i'll be as happy as a pig in *****.
Timmay - pin0chet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21st question - what's the latency? 100ms or greater and this service becomes unusable for many applications, such as VOIP and gaming.
also what's the upload? 20mbps down is good but not with 128k upstream.
Nevertheless, compared to Verizon's Ev-DO at $65 a month with heavy restrictions, and HSDPA running at similar prices here in the US, it's good to hear mobile providers are continuing to increase bandwidth, especially if the "uncapped" claims are true. - DigitalBrian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Remember, the European Marked is a Gunea pig for new technologies, and if it works it will hit the US.
- fishnchips, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://tinyurl.com/ggrfw
- odarky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Too bad it's in UK. I am sticking with Verizon EDVO just because it has much better coverage than Cingular's new 3G.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6This is a load of BS. This isn't enough spectrum for the (my guess) 20 thousand people using the same phone repeater. I'm having trouble getting more then 20mbps with my 108mbps router...
- Surferdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hope this happens in the US market too.
- Flyer00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Even a few more moons before then, when I signed up with T-Mo they offered free WAP -- all ports, no restrictions. t-zones was only $2.99 a month for access to their customizable portal.
- ArcusOfSV, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dont get too excited. We used TMobile for one of our field device designs. They are clueless about data. It sometimes took an hour to get someone who understands what a cell modem is and why it is different than a phone. Motient + Cingular = people who understand data. TMobile = clueless. Ill pass.
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