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- CraigCarlyle, on 10/11/2007, -7/+94Yeah! Because of this, I'm never looking at child porn ever again!
Erm... I mean... oops. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+67Wont this make it harder to shut down the actual child porn sites? Crying wolf so to speak...
- tzonic, on 10/11/2007, -7/+60http://thepiratebay.org/top/603
The top 100 images section - Raistlen007, on 10/11/2007, -13/+64The RIAA is dying. Experts say that their greatest mistake was suing Napster instead of hooking up with them.
The MPAA is repeating the RIAA's mistake. You can't fight technology, nor can you sue the millions of people who pirate media.
If they succeed in shutting down TPB, all that will happen is that ten others will take its place. It's happened before with other programs.
When will they finally get it? The companies have to adapt, they have to change their business model. Nothing else will end well for anyone. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -16/+65TPB ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH CHILD PORN.
GOD. - naonao, on 10/11/2007, -3/+39If they'd just do a clean up of their site to get rid of this ***** once in a while they wouldn't have this problem.
- pyry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+33Quick! Download everything!!1
- BAKER, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36Children posing non-nude != child porn.
- rhfb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26Touchy and feely subject
- Shroommaster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24I think shutting the pirate bay down for this would be just as bad as shutting search engines down for linking to child porn, they are a public tracker which people submit torrents. All they provide are links, it's pretty much impossible for them to monitor all the links on their sites. If the Pirate Bay gets put on this list, it would be pure hypocrisy for Google, Yahoo, and other Search engines to not also be put on the list. This is clearly just an excuse to shut them down because child porn is such a sensitive issue to a lot of people, they think they can get public support with this excuse.
- Jazzillion, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28This is total manipulation. TBS' statement put it best. Let's only hope they succeed in defending the ability to obtain free information without allowing some mislabeled unfair biased ***** as tying it to child pornography bring them down.
- DeusNova, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26You might as well shut down 4chan also if you're using the same logic.
- AnimeOmega, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21TPB Blog: http://blog.brokep.com/2007/07/06/swedish-police-will-censor-the-pirate-bay/
Swedish Police will CENSOR The Pirate Bay July 6
Working online gives you a lot of friends. Some of those gives you heads up when something big is going on, and sometimes really big things happen.
A couple of hours ago I got one of those - The Swedish Police is going to put The Pirate Bay in it’s child porn filter!
The filter is a voluntary system that the Swedish ISPs agree to use. They redirect DNS entries they find within this list to a page where it gives you information about why it’s blocked. The meaning of this filter is what? Real child porn is probably hidden somewhere, and we’ve been the victims of this filter wrongfully before! And you know what? It’s the same police officer that I was angry with for blocking the previous domain that is responsible for this blocking too.
(It’s three weeks ago..) And he doesn’t pick up the phone.
To make things perfectly clear - we don’t host any content. And I have never seen child porn on the bay. Our moderators work on all the reports we receive from the public and they contact ECPAT or other organisations if they found suspicious stuff. The police has never contacted us in any aspect regarding child porn! And who would put it up there?
TPB is the most visible place there is. People that distribute stuff like this put it on darknets and I would think they know that the risk of getting caught putting stuff on a public system like The Pirate Bay is really huge. It’s sexual suicide!
If the police would find anything wrong - shouldn’t they first contact us, then bring us in for questioning regarding the content, ask for our help or bring us to court for our wrongdoings?
By not acting this way it’s very clear what this is all about. It’s all about quieting a voice that is really uncomfortable for them since they don’t have any legal standpoint in doing it. It’s sabotage, it’s abuse of power given to them.
It will forever make our site associated with something as disgusting as child porn. They are labelling us - without being even tried for it in a legal system, remember - as having something to do with child porn!
So who’s abusing children? It’s the police, for using the same filtering system as to protect them, to gain from it themselves. For them, it’s good that children get abused, so they can shut down sites they don’t like. Yes, it sounds sick, but this is the way it has become.
I hope that the Swedish ISPs will take action against this and stop using the childporn filter! And that’s a bad thing because it could have some good effects, but they decided to go a bit too far with their filtering.
TPBs users create around 40% of the Swedish internet traffic due to file sharing… so stay tuned for an update, this is going to be a really big fight…
UPDATE: A press release from the police (soon published, I got the heads up again from a journalist) states that “it’s not decided that we’ll put The Pirate Bay in the list - if the content is still there next week we’ll put them there”. So, come on! What ***** content are you talking about? Still not a single contact attempt from the police.. - NyQuilPillz, on 10/11/2007, -8/+27there not but some of the users are ....
- BAKER, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21Although distasteful, since when did bikini modeling become porn?
- fuliginosus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22Have you actually downloaded something and saw that content is child porn? I looked some of those preview pictures and all I saw was kids posing with their clothes on. If that is child porn, should all pictures with kids be prohibited?
- MercedRocks, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22*****, let the truth be told. It IS THERE.
- craftycorner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Torrent tracker sites and Torrents are like the hydra, cut off one head, it will grow many more elsewhere. Computer networks are getting cheaper and more portable every day. The Swedish police are really shooting themselves in the foot. They should focus on who is uploading the kiddie porn trackers, not going after TPB. Ahhh, but that makes too much sense...
- Samji, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Maybe I'm wrong, but my cynical side suspects the mentioned "child porn" is just an excuse to close down this site for its copyright infringements. There probably is no child porn.
Then again, I might be wrong. I suppose its possible some paedophile is using Pirate Bay to distribute horrible material. - Raistlen007, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15It's the same Swedish police that raided them, and is still holding their servers without evidence.
It's the same Swedish police that commenced said raid because of preasure from the MPAA. The document was even leaked and made public.
I am against child porn as much as anyone, but if that were the motive behind this move, woudn't the police ask for TPB to help them nab the child pornographers?
It sounds sick to me to use child porn as an excuse to shut down a site due to corporate interests, but there you have it. - ToadLeg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15I would think that they would target sites that are about child porn, not bittorrent, and at least send TPB a warning with a list of changes that need to be made(if they were not abusing their power just to take down TPB). If someone posts a link to child porn on, say, a webpage run by the Swedish government, or the blocking agency itself, should that website also be blocked?
- norman619, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18So I guess Google is guilty of this too? You can use Google to find the same *****. Sorry but what you said makes zero sense.
- STKD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Thanks for stopping by to comment, GOD.
- veskris, on 10/11/2007, -10/+23There are child porn torrents on their bittorrent tracker. So even though it wasn't deliberate on their part to have it hosted, it's still there. So yes they are actually "involved" with child porn.
- LukyJay, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15Way to advertise the face that a site has childporn. The pirate bay statistics go up 25% by paedophiles.
- Raistlen007, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Of course not.
Yet they managed to preasure to Swedish government into action in the past (the raid), despite the fact that TPB does not break any Swedish law. - dbug, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9You know who's actually behind all this? The child porn industry! They (like the MPIAA) want to stop their content from being pirated because it's hurting their revenues.
All the hard work that goes into producing child porn and what do they get? Nothing, because of the pirates!
Child porn producers need to eat too you know... - chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12they need to get rid of those links.
I know they don't host the content but that even shocked me. I had no idea it was really there. - LanEvo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9i wouldn't doubt that the riaa/mpaa posted it in an attempt to have TPB taken down.
- Raistlen007, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9TPB never has and still does not contain child porn. All it has is the links, which are legal. If all that matters here is evidence, the Swedish police has none, that's why the staff of TPB aren't in jail.
TPB does not host child porn, just like they don't host pirated movies. Hence, in your words, the problem. - norman619, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12WOW!!! Finally someone who actually understands how a torrent tracker works. Dugg up for accuracy.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Arn't you lot supposed to be protecting the USA from Terrorists
- cquinnd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"Isn't TPB pretty good about not responding to take down notices?"
No, actually TPB is very proactive about responding to legal notices; it's just that usually the legal notices do not apply to them under Swedish Law, so their response of posting the notice on their site and thumbing thier nose at the lawyers is technically appropriate. Linking a torrent is not illegal in itself.
If the Swedish Police contact them, and say "these items on your website are considered illegal under the following Swedish laws..." then they have the responsiblity to check and remove any items that might actually get them in trouble, particularly when we consider the difference between torrent files and actual image files. - Beautyon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I have to agree. These trackers are basically automatic evidence collectors. The police should use them to track down and bust bad people, and then put the busted in jail forever. Mininova is a pr0n free tracker. Everyone respects that, and they don't upload / seed pr0n torrents there. They have just had their two billionth torrent download. If they can do it, anyone can. TPB should start by saying, "no pr0n here", and put in a moderation system so they can be alerted to pr0n torrents. Its not so difficult.
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Maybe because the MPAA or RIAA uploaded said content and then called the cops?
- Shroommaster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8They don't deliberately allow child porn on their site, all they do is index torrents that they allow people to upload. The torrents themselves don't have any child porn on them so they are pretty much just a link, both are means of obtaining information without hosting it. TPB hosts thousands of torrents, it's expecting to much to expect them to moderate all of them for child porn. Just as it's expecting to much to expect a site like google to monitor all the links that show up in their search results.
- veskris, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8NyQuilPillz: do us a favor. Go find your Nyquill Pills, and take all of them at once. Thank you.
- Suricou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Not exactly. Were this actually a criminal charge, then the prosecution would have to prove their case in court. But this isn't a criminal charge, or any matter for the courts at all - its a volontary system operated by ISPs (for PR purposes) and by the police. It doesn't have any actual legal backing or regulation.
So in practice, its possible for the police to declare "We think this site holds child porn, so we are going to block it," and then do so. They dont need to worry about proof of guilt or even an actual example of child porn - the whole system is purely running on trust. The ISPs trust the police not to abuse the list.
Clearly, the police cant be trusted. But it puts the ISPs in a hard place - while they are not required to impliment the CP filter, you can imagine the bad press they would recieve for not using it. - veskris, on 10/11/2007, -8/+15My god man. I hate both of the corporations you listed just a much as anyone else but did you bother to read the damn article? The Swedish Police is going to shut them down, not the RIAA or MPAA. And why would either of them have anything to do with shutting a site down over child porn!?
- Teaspoon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Rules 1 and 2
- zebbie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7but by that logic you just posted child porn on digg. include 'witchhunt.php';
- afx1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7maybe those isps are also providing the pipes to tpb's datacenter. maybe not.
- veskris, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Yes, yes; you should shut down 4chan if they host child pornography. Good observation, well done.
- theirongiant, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9If I am to interpret the article correctly, it simply means that Swedish ISPs (service providers in Sweden) will block the page for their customers. But it says nothing about the visibility of TPB to foreign visitors (namely, the rest of Europe, the United States, etc.)
So...all this is really accomplishing is keeping Swedes from whacking off to kiddie porn? OK, I guess. - kazamx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6But if they do make an effort, then the MPAA/RIAA have a good case for wanting their stuff banned too. TPB defense centers around the fact they don't have anything to do with whats in the torrents
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6FYI, so is Japanese Amazon.com
- spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6People are becoming too dependant on their governments in europe, I mean do you really need a government to filter your websites to keep you from seeing 'evil' content? If you dont want to view it then dont.
- Raistlen007, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6According to Swedish law, what you believe is facilitation, and what TPB considers simply linking, is legal.
- msgyrd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6No, we understand you NyQuil, it's just that you suck at spelling and grammar and articulate yourself poorly. Any insightful comment you do make is dugg down for being layered in incorrect use of words and incessant uses of "...".
- Oakes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Actually, in the U.S. at least, the pictures do not need to be nude to receive the classification.
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