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Sweden to charge Pirate Bay in copyright case

reuters.com — Sweden plans this week to charge the people running Pirate Bay, one of the world's most visited Web sites, with being accessories in breaking copyright law.

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  • kpsalidas, on 01/28/2008, -16/+91The PirateBay is invicible no one is going to close it :D

    by the way this site has information about releases available at the pirate bay http://www.scenereleases.info
    • Leo55, on 01/28/2008, -7/+19what the lawmakers don't understand is that TBP is a symbol of what bittorrent currently IS.
      It does not matter if remove TBP or take it down. So long as a index.htm page on TBP.com, the ideas live on.
      /exit V mode
      • Loonacy, on 01/28/2008, -1/+19Once again there's the elusive The Birate Pay.
        • CedEx, on 01/28/2008, -3/+0Or The Ninja Bay.
          • KibibyteBrain, on 01/29/2008, -1/+2Couldn't you at least make up something that makes sense? Like the Ninja Village or the Ninja Rice Field? Also, Ninjas might be cool in their own way, but they are the people more likely to smash up a server room for pay than to set one up to screw over the Man.
    • kazamx, on 01/28/2008, -5/+25Anyone remember the original www.suprnova.org? When they closed that down, they said that it was a huge victory in the fight against piracy.

      While they can't stop piracy through closing websites, The regulation of the Internet and monitoring of all traffi, could start to cause problems.
      • Audacitor, on 01/28/2008, -0/+10If they started monitoring traffic, there would be riots in the streets, I proudly among them. There's just no way the government and telecoms will get away with it, even if they get away with it in the courts. Keep in mind, when you start monitoring the Internet, you don't just offend Diggers, or just Youtubers, or just Anonymous, you get everyone mad at you.
        • Koookie, on 01/28/2008, -2/+9*****. You'd take it up your whiney ass and do nothing about it. You haven't done anything yet, have you? Need I remind you Oh look, american gladiators is on!
        • cwgannon, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8I follow you in your opinions, but I'm sorry that I can't share in your optimism in there being riots on the streets were the government to allow surveillance of internet traffic. Regulations on internet traffic of all sorts will (soon?) be passed by politicians catering to the internet service providers--AT&T, Comcast, etc.--under the guise of protecting children from would-be sexual offenders, intercepting terrorist communications, and other such nonsense that has the intention of good but goes awry in working toward achieving that intention. Of course, every expert will speak to the contrary, bringing up the violations of our rights to privacy and the ridiculousness of the signal to noise ratio in trying to monitor such a huge amount of information for such small amounts of traffic. Nonetheless, the public will lap it up as they (we?) always have, swallowing whatever advertisements and other such things necessary to maintain the status quo.

          Call me crazy, but I don't even think that this is tinfoil hat-type stuff anymore.
      • dacomputerfreak, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5I highly doubt that there would be riots in the streets. People in the states are too brainwashed into thinking that we need to give up our rights. People are dumb as a box of rocks and generally won't complain if a right is taken away from them, after all, it's for all our good and we're too busy with our lives to bother fighting, right? And what makes you think that our communication isn't being monitored right this very moment? Better get prepared for that one man riot.
        • unr1, on 01/29/2008, -0/+2exactly. The majority of Americans are too stupid to figure it out before it happens
    • kpsalidas, on 01/28/2008, -2/+7well i don't believe they will have any kind of success in closing tPb..these quys are really well organized and they have a lawyer or something in the team judging from the responses in their legal threats section of the site which is very funny btw,check it here :)
      http://thepiratebay.org/legal
      • LocalDocal, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5That's an extremely poor way to judge the legal position of TPB. They probably do have a lawyer (or more likely, a legal team), but even companies with the best lawyers on the planet do not respond to legal threats in such a manner. TPB responds like that because they believe the legal threats towards them are meaningless (sort of like if someone threatens to sue you for being taller than them).
      • senatorpjt, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1They also have a political party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party
      • dbr_onix, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1Last time the Pirate Bay was shut in Sweden, didn't they just put up servers in Russia and the Netherlands? Legal smartness aside, they have a lot of supporters in such countries. As long as the "thepiratebay.org" DNS name is around, there will be someone willing to put up servers for them..
    • BitterPeace, on 01/28/2008, -1/+6The hell...? Where's the torrent for the PS3?
    • Ki77erB, on 01/28/2008, -2/+6Dont worry folks...everything is under control...just continue using one of the hundreds of other trackers. YOU CANT WIN RIAA/MPAA, JUST GIVE UP ALREADY!
      • Audacitor, on 01/28/2008, -1/+7Anybody who's ever once downloaded something via P2P knows that.
    • i208khonsu, on 01/28/2008, -4/+10While torrent search engines on the whole are not illegal, I would have to agree that there is a case against TPB. You can't make a smoking lounge called The Stoners Bay and have rooms specifically called Mary Jane and Maui Waui, then say that it's for legally smoking and trading of tobacco; however the founders themselves distribute and consume weed themselves.

      Sadly the pirate bay goes out of it's way to make it easier to pirate specific TV Shows, Music, and Films. Not to mention the name of the site implies distribution of copyrighted material itself. Although it inevitably got shut down, Demonoid wasn't encouraging illegal distribution. It was only an index. It was solely the choice of the user to pirate content over the site.
    • DarkyHelmety, on 01/28/2008, -2/+8It's so ***** stupid, why not indict libraries over copyright infringement assistance then? Hell I can go in there and copy myself a whole book if I'd like to! And they're making profit from it because of the photocopying fees. DOWN WITH LIBRARIES!! Evil book monopolies...
      • po43292, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4Didn't you hear Xerox is an illegal form of distributing copyrighted materials now? /s
  • LANjackal, on 01/28/2008, -30/+5Thanks for the link, dude.
    • starkes, on 01/28/2008, -9/+1***** YOU IM DIGGING YOU DOWN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID WAS VASTLY OFFENSIVE!!!
      lol. tards.
    • cloak419, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5...dude...
  • LANjackal, on 01/28/2008, -2/+141BTW this looks like a typical "filler" news story - reporting on something that was announced a while back as if it just happened today or something. Nothing new in the article at all.
    • CasaMan, on 01/28/2008, -2/+17I believe the date, January 31, is the/a new fact.
      • norman619, on 01/28/2008, -6/+6Read what he said. This is a recycled news article. There is no new information in it. The article may be dated 31 but the contents are OLD not new. Again no new information in the article. Understand now?
        • MaynardJK, on 01/28/2008, -4/+8He was being a smartass, dumbass.
        • jj101, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6@Norman619 - the article is dated the 27/JAN/08. The 4th paragraph is

          "The charges will be filed in a district court on January 31."

          Apparently this is a new piece of information and the justification for recycling the other information into a filler article. Understand now? Patronizing prick and then you're even wrong!

          @MaynardJK - no he wasn't but points for effort mate.

          Ps as i write this its only the 28th - did you think he was saying they posted in th efuture?
    • cheesehead, on 01/28/2008, -1/+10Wouldn't a more accurate headline read " American puppets in the Swedish gov't have caved to pressure from the Industry puppets in the American gov't and are forcing their handpicked judicial puppets to impede international digital progress on behalf of the Global Corporate Overlords, who seek to own or control everything"?
  • douchewag, on 01/28/2008, -13/+0Time to find a new home,hmm.. may be mongolia.
    • wytedevl, on 01/28/2008, -6/+3maybe mongoria!
      • jlewicki, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5and contract that british castle building farmer guy to make him a schittah wahl to keep out those damn mongorians
    • rz8472, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6I propose that the Pirate Bay be moved to Cuba (not joking), and here's why:

      - Cuba has no diplomatic relations with the United States, and thus will not be pressured by the film/music industries
      - Cuba has fairly good relations with most of the other nations of the world (incl. Canada), so it shouldn't be a problem for Swedes to set up TPB there.
      - Being a dictatorship means that Castro can order the infrastructure needed to keep Cuban TPB running at peak efficiency 24/7 to be built.
      - However, one can still visit a Cuban website
      - Cuba could use TPB as leverage to get the US to end its embargo: end the embargo and we'll close TPB!
      - The embargo will never end as long as there are US politicians who like to "talk tough"
      - Cuba is in the Caribbean, the ancestral home of pirates!
      • WhereAmI, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1Do you really think Castro will order the infrastructure for TPB? More likely if someone explained this to Castro then said $$$ he'll start his own website.
    • surfing, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1Maybe Somalia (they have real pirates) or Nigeria.
  • wingchun, on 01/28/2008, -49/+0No way, the PirateBay will stand there............for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://www.wing-chun.ws
    • lcarsdeveloper, on 01/28/2008, -2/+10Wow...what an amazing website. I quote - " Hello and welcome to wing-chun your online resource site which includes the History of this system, the Curriculum, the Principles and the forms and the techniques about it and also, some videos.Ambition of this site is to inform people who are interested in their favourite martial art about its forms, techniques and anything related with this system of Kung Fu. Navigation: Just choose the category that interests you.For example if you are interested for the History of Wing Chun you must choose the "Wing Chun" and then the category History."
      Great work **claps slowly**
      /sarcasm
    • smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5Wow, someone lamer than Chuck Norris.
      • PleaseJustDie, on 01/28/2008, -2/+3Chuck Norris knows where you live. Farewell smacksaw the end for you is near.
        • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -1/+4Chuck Norris doesn't need to know where you live. He'll just phone the Grim Reaper and he'll do the job for him. Or else.
        • smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2I live inside Mike Huckabee's loose belly skin. He's got to take Huck down with me.
    • hmunkey, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2Buried and reported.
  • ScaredOfTheMan, on 01/28/2008, -3/+78Never mind how long its taken them to actualy charge TPB, (longer than any investigation in Swedish history) The simple fact is, the folks at TPB are very smart and meticulous about following the laws (in Sweden) Who else predicts, nothing will come of this, execpt for wasted Swedish tax Kronas!
    • BrentyD, on 01/28/2008, -17/+2not the Koronas!!
      Beer will never go out of fashion
    • smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -2/+19Hmm. Well, if laws were black and white I would say they have nothing to worry about. But laws are not. The problem is if you get an advocate judge whose broad interpretations of the laws have some sort of political agenda behind it.

      Obviously the legislators of Sweden are following the will of the people. If they wanted to make TBP illegal they had 5 years to make a law banning such a thing. Specifically banning it. Instead, the prosecutor and police are not satisfied with the law and will charge them where it does not apply, hoping to find a judge to make an example out of them.

      We'll see if this actually makes to court. I don't think it should, but it might if they've got some judges in their pocket. From what I understand, this should be thrown out. No matter what, they're either going to have an RIAA type of thing where people get prosecuted under laws that are not intended for it or they will force politicians to legitimise their legal assault...or hopefully it will all go away for good.
    • magnusbe, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8I think the Palme assasination investigation has gone on for longer than the TPB-case. To name just one.
    • lepton, on 01/28/2008, -6/+15What would be next? Shutting down the phone book industry because I can use them to look up phone numbers of bookies, prostitutes and dope dealers?
      • Matt2k, on 01/28/2008, -4/+1No
        Oh, forget it
      • carrtoonist, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6I think we should shut down grocery stores because they provide criminals with the necessary food energy to commit their crimes.
      • br0ken1128, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4While I love and support TPB .. the comparisons you guys draw don't fit.. there's a difference.. the phone book can be used to find prostitutes and drug dealers, sure, but it wasn't designed for that purpose and there isn't a section for "Drug Dealers & Prostitutes" .. the pirate bay has sections that are pretty clearly for pirated materials and the domain name itself indicates direct support of piracy.. so the argument that they are a tool for piracy seems pretty strong..
        • LocalDocal, on 01/28/2008, -2/+2Newsflash: People knows. They still make the comparisons because they hate anti-piracy activism and, as a side benefit only, for diggs.
      • aaneton, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3Noun 1. piracy - hijacking on the high seas or in similar contexts; taking a ship or plane away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it; "air piracy"

        Obviously piracy has nothing to do with copyright laws ;) Maybe they have the name because they like to drink rum and board ships?
    • nogami, on 01/28/2008, -3/+26If I lived in Sweden, I'd be pretty pissed - the government is wasting their tax money to prosecute a case for the US media cartels. It has absolutely ZERO benefit for Swedish citizens.

      Maybe time for another reminder from the population that the government works FOR the citizens, not the other way around.
      • cdcdark, on 01/28/2008, -1/+12Why are you digging him down? That is exactly what is happening, US pressure one Sweden is plays a large role in this investigation, and I doubt without it there would even be one.
        • cheesehead, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8The same thing is going on in Canada right now. The American Gov't and Industry lobbyists are strong arming our Gov't for digital copyright, just like they did with the pot laws and the extradition of Marc Emery. Yankee go home!! and take SPP and Free Trade with you.!
    • bubba9999, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1I, for one, wouldn't be surprised if the MPAA was funding this little fishing expedition, so no Swedish taxpayer money will be wasted.
  • Millsee, on 01/28/2008, -39/+9Good. Piracy is killing my business.
    • MillionsLivio, on 01/28/2008, -9/+9Waaaahh.
      • knobidy, on 01/28/2008, -6/+4(In Russian accent) Cry some more!
        • Meganiac, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Hehe TF2.

          I'm wondering if the people who dugg you down even know what you were quoting
    • BrentyD, on 01/28/2008, -25/+9Get a New business *****, tis the information age, numbers are free, thus bits are free, thus information in its own right should be free
      • norman619, on 01/28/2008, -6/+11Grow some new braincells. The two you have now appear to be overworked.
      • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -2/+10The "information age" is just a transitory phase. "It should be free" is not an argument you can make. Sooner or later - but I'm betting on sooner - regulation will be in place that will strangle the currently unchecked information flow forever.
        The Net will be another market. Nothing more.
      • Matt2k, on 01/28/2008, -4/+1> Get a New business *****, tis the information age, numbers are free, thus bits are free, thus information in its own right should be free
        http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/04/29
        • ArmandoM, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1So Penny Arcade is saying that if we aren't careful, the music and movie cartels will accomplish their ultimate goal of us paying every single time we push the "play" button...just like "renting" our music and movies...

          Or did I read that wrong?
      • LocalDocal, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2"Get a New business *****, tis the information age"

        Brenty, I love the way you speak. In my mind, I'm imagining an 18th century British lord yelling at people that land should be free because dirt is free.
    • jlewicki, on 01/28/2008, -3/+3sheesh, looks like someone has a case of the mondays...
    • shodanx, on 01/28/2008, -6/+12you fail at business
    • credence, on 01/28/2008, -3/+17Guys, quit being so hard on the dude. He's in the Ninja business ya see.
    • kamisama, on 01/28/2008, -5/+9You'd better look out for a new business then. Piracy, even IF they get the piratebay shut down, isn't going anywhere.
      • cliffski, on 01/28/2008, -2/+2so expect ***** all new movies, software games and tv then *****.
    • DarkSamus, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5sorry disney, gfy
    • CeeJayDK, on 01/28/2008, -1/+1What kind of business are you in Millsee ?
      And why is piracy killing it ?
      • CedEx, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Because, despite the fact that pirates have eye patches, they can still see well enough to loot his treasure. YArrgh
    • sparkleton, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2Guys, please do not hate on his business, maybe he runs a rival torrent site and is losing advertising revenue to Pirate Bay.
  • LiquidCure, on 01/28/2008, -8/+0Arghhh
  • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -7/+95Why don't they just line the operators of The Pirate Bay up and shoot them one by one?
    Calling this a legal process, when it is the bastard child of corrupt politicians and dollar-frenzied monopolies, is an insult to the very basic principles of western, modern punitive law and the democratic ideals, that I used to believe our societies where based upon.
    Ethics, democracy and the Law, it's all for sale.
    • djchester, on 01/28/2008, -4/+14Hold your horses, it's Sweden you are talking about. The country ranked as nr 1 in the democracy ranking. The case has not even started in court, give the legal system a break! Just because they try a case don't mean the whole country is corrupt or that they will win the case.
      • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4Thank you for your reply, I presume you already have some knowledge into this, but I would recommend reading this post: http://blog.brokep.com/2008/01/21/punching-bags/
        In it, Brokep, one of the operators of the pirate bay, sheds some light on some of the, admittedly dramatic, postulations i make here.
      • Radan, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8Though, while we Swedes are lucky enough to live in a very secure, but still a relatively free environment, our justice system is seriously flawed in so many ways. I can't say 'corrupt' is the best way to describe it though, it's actually more the other way around. For example, a couple of years ago, an eighteen year old girl got beaten to death by two guys and then dumped into a hedge, simply because she choose the wrong time and wrong place to go and buy some bread in the local grocery store. Some year later, both of the "killers" got freed from all charges simply because it was impossible to prove if both, or only one of them had actually beaten her to death and the other one simply standing by and watching this happen (and then helping the killer dump her into a hedge).

        All this happened because of our failing justice system's strict belief that everyone is innocent until the contrary has been proved, and is horrified that they would put an innocent man or woman in jail (though they are unbelievably efficient when they are handing out parking tickets).

        Also, the fact that the police even consider putting any recourses whatsoever on the TBP-case simply saddens me. While do have a relatively low crime rate, when crimes actually happens, our police force is so undermanned that there's pretty much no point calling them in the first place (most of the time they don't come in the fear of someone pulling a prank, and when they actually come, it may take hours before they arrive).
        • Phyltre, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8I would strongly prefer this kind of system to the kind of system America has right now. I know firsthand that calling the police isn't a good defense for any situation where I am in danger of bodily harm--if 20-30 minutes isn't enough to kill me at leisure, the perpetrator probably isn't capable of killing me.
        • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5It sounds like a accurate description of the state of things here in Denmark... It must be a Nordic thing.

          Funny how lately it has been the police telling the politicians to respect privacy and not be too agressive in crime fighting legislation, it's crazy.
    • SpaceRibs, on 01/28/2008, -2/+2also, nothings sacred, you should know that by now.
    • shiddysmurf, on 01/28/2008, -13/+3You talk like a fag.
      • Ki77erB, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5Hes just doing his best shiddysmurf impression.
    • OttawaMarcin, on 01/28/2008, -3/+1This case subverts the ends of justice.
      • jacobsor, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2Do you even know what you just said? What exactly are the "ends of justice" and how is this being "subverted"?
  • BrentyD, on 01/28/2008, -4/+41Yo ho yo ho, A Pirates Life for me!!!
  • Forzavia, on 01/28/2008, -67/+4Pirates Suck .
    They think they are cool that they are downloading free stuff , but they don't realize that they are taking the piece of bread of some people .

    ***** PIRATEBAY
    • cigawoot, on 01/28/2008, -3/+29I remember seeing some rapper with a piece of "bling" worth several thousand dollars (hell, its in the Guiness Book of World Records). I wanna know what "bread" I'm taking from him.
      • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -4/+22How the hell is Britney going to feed her drug habits?
        How is Paris Hilton going to earn a living now that she will not inherit?
        How ever will Michael Jackson get his Neverland back?

        HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THESE PEOPLES RIGHT TO YOUR MONEY!
      • rot13ubercrypto, on 01/28/2008, -2/+14I have a problem with the singling out of "easy" target (tracker sites, college students, etc.) while I can get $2 knock-off DVDs in Kuala Lumpur Chinatown -- I find it egregious that people who "share" are nailed while people who pirate for profit are untouched. I also agree with your implication that piracy through sharing doesn't translate into lost sales (as opposed to piracy from selling illicit copies of stuff.)

        However, while we can question the taste of some thug's platinum grill, the amount of money that the "owner" of something has is not relevant -- whether someone affected by your actions has a lot of money or is poor should not factor into the equation (again, I'm not making a value judgment about whether pirating music/films/software/whatever is right or wrong, just that whatever you believe should apply to all artists/producers/copyright owners equally.)
      • cliffski, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4indeed, every musician, recording engineer and maker of tv, movies and games is a millionaire. you ignorant retard
    • shodanx, on 01/28/2008, -7/+3oh boo hoo
      like britney or whatever needs more millions
      like the starving artist however only wishes he would be more popular
      and your going to tell me it's the little guy who's ending up paying for this ? like they're going to cut off that guy who delivers pencils at the production headquarter to offset the cost of piracy ?
    • shakin, on 01/28/2008, -3/+13Really? Because when I went to watch National Treasure at the theatre on Saturday night the projector broke with about 40 minutes left in the movie. When I went home I downloaded it and finished watching it. I am a "pirate", and yet I paid to see the movie. It's a lot like when I download MP3s of an album I already own on CD. Strange how that works, huh? How it's not always some punks out to rip off the entertainment industry. How sometimes people want to download for convenience rather than to rip people off.
      • kjizzle, on 01/28/2008, -6/+3Isn't downloading mp3s of a cd that you already own kind of a dumb ass example? Just the rip the ***** you own and download ***** you don't.
      • strictnein, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2You didn't get a refund?
        • Bananas21ca, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4You can't refund wasted time
        • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -2/+0He could have, but he was too scared by the burly security guard at the entrance. He thought that if he made a fuss and required a refund, that guard would tear him to pieces.
    • digitalarcanum, on 01/28/2008, -10/+4Tell hollywood to start producing ***** that's worth watching (I don't care what anyone else says here, I was forced to watch it with my girlfriend, and juno is the biggest pile of ***** ever)
      Tell the MPAA/RIAA to stop giving decent artists a better share of the money they earn instead of the mouse's share. Until then:

      DO WHAT YOU WANT CUZ A PIRATE IS FREE, I AM A PIRATE!
      • slvrbullet87, on 01/28/2008, -2/+6Well if the movie sucks why would you want to download it? You obiously wanted to see it therefore you should have paid for it.
        As for Juno with your girlfriend blame her not hollywood.
    • norman619, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4You have no freaking idea what a Pirate is do you?
    • snatchmstr, on 01/28/2008, -2/+6It's not taking money out of anyones pocket. I would not have bought the ***** anyway. Sometimes I question if I even want to "borrow" it due to limited hard drive space. I only have 1.5 tb.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/28/2008, -1/+7Brand new Digg account... Cute.
    • TheOneTrueGod, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2*expression of disagreement*
    • rowjimmy, on 01/28/2008, -3/+6they aren't stealing bread, that is a stupid analogy.
      it's more like they are cloning the bread and leaving the owner with the original. twice as much bread, everybody is happy (unless they dont like bread and then ***** those atkins loving assholes)
      • cliffski, on 01/28/2008, -4/+2you dork. the people who make the bread in the first place arent happy. so make your own ***** bread/movies/tv is you want it all free.
  • moe182, on 01/28/2008, -5/+34Corporations VS Individuals...... the war rages on.
  • bosssmiley, on 01/28/2008, -1/+71Vikings charge pirates with breaking copyright laws?
    • NJank, on 01/28/2008, -1/+6don't worry, they fight like cows.
    • fani, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4I read it like Minnesota Vikings charge Tampa Bay Buccaneers.. LOL
  • Saea, on 01/28/2008, -2/+12Bah, TPB is untouchable, don't even try wasting your time and money.
    Live Free!
  • Derfy, on 01/28/2008, -2/+3No news is good news. =(
  • r3drumz, on 01/28/2008, -6/+43***** the RIAA!!

    TPB will never go down.
    • Nightfall, on 01/28/2008, -7/+5The RIAA has nothing to do with this lawsuit and isn't even mentioned in it. RTFA.
      • mattmcm, on 01/29/2008, -0/+2Who cares? "***** the RIAA" always goes down well.
    • tortfeasor, on 01/28/2008, -2/+9That's not relevant; cursing the **AA, from time to time, is healthy, productive and leads to shiny hair with great lift.

      edit: damn it - this was in reply to Nightfall; I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
  • hypkitsune, on 01/28/2008, -8/+3it's stupid how they want to shut down the pirate bay. even if they were able to do it, do they really think the piracy would stop?

    no harm in trying though.
    • pattink, on 01/28/2008, -1/+6It would hurt quite a bit because TPB is a huge figurehead for the torrent "community"
  • WorkingDead, on 01/28/2008, -4/+91What about google? It has the same functionality. Just search for - filetype:torrent
    • digitalarcanum, on 01/28/2008, -0/+14shareminer: searches all of the file upload sites (*****, megaupload, etc.) and gives you results for anything you search for. Piracy isn't going anywhere.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/28/2008, -0/+15If TPB makes it easier for people to pirate copyrighted material, then so do ISP's. I mean if there were no Internet service providers then there would be no piracy.

      If there were no Pirate Bay, there would still be lots of piracy.

      If they are going to charge TPB then the rest of them are guilty too.

      Think about it.
    • indiefan, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3While it might be the same functionality, i think the hosting of the torrent files is the legal difference.
    • acidandspatter, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3But unlike TPB, Google will hold your searches for extended periods and they are valid evidence in court so using Google to find torrents isn't such a good idea.
      • Matri, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3Oh, so now just looking is a crime?

        "Hey, you looked at my sister! I'm charging you for rape!"
      • acidandspatter, on 01/30/2008, -0/+1I didn't say that, what I mean is Google can quite easily build up a profile about you quite easily and then lets say you get caught file sharing or whatever and the prosecutors want further evidence they can quite easily get hold of your Google searches.
    • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -1/+7How about roads? Criminals use roads all the time. In fact their movement would come to a complete standstill should we block all roads! LETS DO IT! BAN ROADS!
  • jm4847, on 01/28/2008, -4/+12Those fools... don't they know they can't stop people from sharing information?
    • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -4/+2Actually, they can. Maybe not stop completely, but they can hamper them to the point it's no longer worth the effort.
  • muzy, on 01/28/2008, -10/+2one word: ***** You.!!!
  • torched, on 01/28/2008, -3/+24hah! yea, because getting rid of tpb will solve everything :)
  • corpuscollossus, on 01/28/2008, -7/+15Skating is not a crime.


    And by skating of course I mean illegally downloading copyrighted data
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2And "illegally downloading copyrighted data", seems to imply it's a crime where you skate.
  • csulok, on 01/28/2008, -7/+16"Pirate Bay helps Web surfers share copyrighted music and film files, which is illegal in many countries, including Sweden."

    since when?
    • tuxerware, on 01/28/2008, -9/+3digg this down.
    • ZBrannigan, on 01/28/2008, -0/+8Since 1960, and there were major additions to the law in 1993 and 1994. Here it is translated to English in its full length:
      http://www.wipo.int/clea/docs_new/en/se/se046en.ht ...

      Running a search engine on the other hand - not quite as illegal
    • Tippis, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5Distributing copyrighted material has been illegal in Sweden since 1960, as mentioned above.
      Downloading copyrighted material has been illegal since 2004.

      Unless you make an argument about semantics, in which case the question is whether the "which" refers to "help web surfers" or to "share copyrighted [works]".
  • banido, on 01/28/2008, -4/+8***** the IFPI !
  • jlewicki, on 01/28/2008, -9/+4*glances left, then right" YEAH! ***** the RIAA!
    • Xephyr, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3Wow, I can't express how much I hate douchebags who are trying to be funny...
      • jlewicki, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1well if no one ever tried, then where would we all be?
  • latova, on 01/28/2008, -6/+65People who make knives will now be charged as accessories to murder.
    • norman619, on 01/28/2008, -2/+22What about the companies who provided the metals and other raw materials? They are just as guilty damn it!
    • Zzone, on 01/28/2008, -16/+9worst. analogy. ever.
    • MalDON, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4I think it's the music artists that are to blame. Why do they have to go and make music everyone wants?
    • leerayIG88, on 01/28/2008, -1/+1I make love, who will love me??? LOVE ME!
    • HerrEisenheim, on 01/28/2008, -3/+2Fail. Knives have a legitimate purpose. Torrents have a legitimate purpose. The Pirate Bay, however, does not.
  • motabus, on 01/28/2008, -16/+4waaaa they want to stop something that is illegal, you dolts!
    • andycr512, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3I'm sure you have proof that TPB has broken Swedish law?
  • cbrunet, on 01/28/2008, -2/+23"IFPI estimates there are 20 illegal music downloads worldwide for every one legal sale, IFPI spokesman Alex Jacob said."

    In other words, the best way to combat piracy would be to stop buying legal copies. If 20=1, then 0=0. It's simple math people!!
  • darkwing81, on 01/28/2008, -1/+3so if they lose will they be forced to walk the plank?
  • marffa, on 01/28/2008, -5/+2
    Bah, TPB is untouchable, don't even try wasting your time and money.
    Live Free!
  • smotpoker1, on 01/28/2008, -9/+1I wouldn't buy another music cd even if there were no more file sharing your music is crap. hell I don't even download it dumbasses, I like the 60/70/80 rock and if you carry copywrites for those that damn long ***** you.
  • snotrokit, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5What happened to Sweden?, It used to be relatively centrist, and unobtrusive. Perhaps even liberal. As long as you didn't mess with anyone, they didn't mess with you. It seems that the Swedish govt. has really gotten their teeth into this one more than they should be.
    • betobeto, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2Or maybe the Swedish Govt. is feeling the heat of the *AA's and are considering caving in... *shudder*
      I don't think they are exactly pleased to have their country associated to a reputation of a pirate haven.
      The only probable way TPB would be really "untouchable" would be to be located in an independent territory under their own jurisdiction (remember the "buy an island" thing?). Otherwise they are pretty much subject to the whims of Swedish politics.
    • Zzone, on 01/28/2008, -4/+4Maybe Sweden is just tired of being accessory to the massive amounts of piracy taking place on their land and don't want to be slapped with a damage bill so a bunch of tards can steal.
    • cbrunet, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4They win a gold medal in Hockey and think they run the place. THE NERVE!
    • bubba9999, on 01/29/2008, -0/+2The MPAA and RIAA went to the US government and pressured them into pressuring Sweden to prosecute. Both governments are just acting as mob enforcers for the whims of corporate money.
  • Jarulf, on 01/28/2008, -1/+0I wonder if they really think this is going to change something.
  • forgottenhope, on 01/28/2008, -3/+3One world revolution. It is time the free people of the world to take on everything.
    • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1I hope your life insurance covers "having the head blown apart by multiple 9mm rounds".
      Because that's what happen to "revolutionaries" today, you know. Them and Brazilian electricians who were a shade of skin too dark for the Safe Society.
    • cliffski, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2you define liberty as the freedom to download hollywood movies that you didnt pay for? what a sheltered life you live.
  • bedouin, on 01/28/2008, -1/+30I actually use The Pirate Bay's tracker to distribute legal material. It's a great way to get your stuff out there. Any closure of The Pirate Bay would mean the death of a really great distribution channel for me.
  • uker, on 01/28/2008, -6/+2Free open source vs. copyright
  • peticsu, on 01/28/2008, -2/+6they are just giving them free press...the more governments or anti-piracy groups try to go after them the more romantic piratebay will become. the media-corps going after the small guy...

    Piratebay cannot be stopped...even if it is, piracy will only become more sophisticated.
    • snatchmstr, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2You are quite correct. The number of users has increased 5X since it was shut down in '06. Free press leads to knowledge the site exists.
  • tortfeasor, on 01/28/2008, -2/+5From the article:
    'But he believes advertisers could have second thoughts about using Pirate Bay if a guilty verdict is handed down. "That can be the sort of thing that influences the site in the long run."'

    Any verdict, by way of drawing public attention, will simply have the effect of increasing TPB's popularity. Just look at what happened after the last raids.
  • HonoredMule, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3Is "accessory to civil infraction" even a legitimate charge in Sweden? I'm pretty sure that around here (Canada), "accessory to crime" can only apply to breaking laws in the criminal code.
    • KlogereEndGrim, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Not sure about Sweden, but here in Denmark (our laws share a common history, and there are many similarities in our laws) they fixed that by simply adding copyright infringement to the punitive law.
  • fsweep, on 01/28/2008, -0/+16Naming your site pirate-anything is just asking for a fight.
    • rjmoriarty, on 01/28/2008, -0/+11Yeah. While I support The Pirate Bay, it amazes me that they actively choose such a label and then go around overtly reminding us that what they do is, in fact, not illegal.
      • Shootfast, on 01/29/2008, -0/+2What's not legal about their site? Its a small home page with downloadable text files that link other people's machines to a tracker. Unless they're stealing someone else's text files, they are hosting NOTHING ILLEGAL!
    • tgc1, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1Well what the hell should they have called it? Super Happy Fun Land?
  • redwallhp, on 01/28/2008, -6/+1If Pirate Bay closes due to the Swedish lawsuits... I wonder if the guy behind the Estonian DoS uses BitTorrent? /joke
  • Redzin, on 01/28/2008, -2/+1These news are ages old... :S
  • sonicomega, on 01/28/2008, -3/+3cant stop, wont stop sharing information. cause we get down...we get down
  • dontaskagain, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4The more time and money the record industry throws at chasing pirates the more their innovation (pursuit of) suffers. Qtrax is a fantastic idea which would compete with the pirate bay on the premise of 'get your free music here' but without the concern of RIAA /IFPI letters. But the industry has decided subsidising music with advertising isn't their style, they like to have 100% control of their IP and must think they can win this war against piracy (they sure love fighting it don't they). So now without the permission of several major labels Qtrax will likely suffer in the mainstream and those people who would of used Qtrax will remain at the bay until something BETTER emerges.
  • lordmike, on 01/28/2008, -7/+5It was only a matter of time.... The entertainment cartel is incredibly powerful... They already are the fourth branch of the U.S. government.... I'm sure the U.S. is pressuring Sweden hard... maybe they are even threatening to invade... who knows? We've certainly invaded other countries for more dubious pretenses... The fact is, the Pirate Bay is making fools of the entertainment cartel, and with their billions (and possibly even trillions) of dollars, the aren't going to just sit by idly... If nothing else, it's a matter of "honor" to them, and are determined to win this "war" even if they completely destroy their business doing it! I hope Pirate Bay can survive the onslaught, but history suggests otherwise. One can only survive a siege for so long. Godspeed, Pirate Bay! You are the only thing keeping the despotic entertainment cartel in check!
    • lordmike, on 01/28/2008, -2/+5ADDENDUM TO ABOVE COMMENT: A NOTE to the MPAA and RIAA lawyers reading this, I am not a pirate... Your fear tactics have worked for me... I don't want to get sued.. but, I also refuse to give you a dime of my money, so I don't watch movies or listen to music anymore... you've ruined entertainment for me, and I don't want to have anything to do with you... good job completely alienating this customer.. maybe with a few million more, you'll learn...
    • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -6/+4I know 4th grade is hard for you, but couldn't you just whine and cry in your room instead of spouting idiotic stuff on teh intarweb?
    • lynx44, on 01/28/2008, -3/+3"We've certainly invaded other countries for more dubious pretenses." Really? Please name.
      • TritonX, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3Iraq, North Korea, Vietnam. Just a few, I'm sure there is dozens more.
      • lynx44, on 01/30/2008, -0/+1More dubious pretenses than copyright infringement? I don't think so. The issues there had evidence behind them for much bigger issues, even if they turned out to be false. We would never justify a war based on copyright infringement.
  • TheOneTrueGod, on 01/28/2008, -2/+6Hammer it into the heads of your children: The law is a guideline. Nothing more. It is *not* identical with the true definition of right and wrong!
    • tortfeasor, on 01/28/2008, -1/+7In that case, make sure you hammer into their heads that, right or wrong, you have to be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.
    • cliffski, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2you are teaching your kids not to value the work of their fellow man? i ***** pity your children
      • floatingpoints, on 01/28/2008, -3/+1What are you talking about? He's right.

        Marijuana here is illegal, but really, if alcohol and tobacco are legal, then obviously there's nothing wrong about Marijuana other than "the law says no".

        In that case, common sense takes over, and one should say "***** the law, then" if they choose to.

        Just because it's wrong to one group of people doesn't mean it's wrong to another.

        And that's the concept of freedom that people to this day cannot ***** grasp.
  • dupswapdrop, on 01/28/2008, -6/+4Well there goes the last really free country in the world!
  • krautkamel, on 01/28/2008, -6/+5the internet was created for file sharing! HOLD STRONG PIRATE BAY!
    • Pixelante, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4"the internet was created for file sharing"
      Wrong. And even if it were right, this doesn't mean it cannot be changed.
  • carrtoonist, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2It would be a symbolic victory if it was anything. The choice of todays torrent consumer is so diverse that one site really doesn't matter.
    • cliffski, on 01/29/2008, -0/+2consumers are people who actually open their ***** wallets and pay for something they want. the word you are looking for is 'thief' or perhaps 'leech' or 'freeloader'.
  • goldwish, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2
    From the article:
    'But he believes advertisers could have second thoughts about using Pirate Bay if a guilty verdict is handed down. "That can be the sort of thing that influences the site in the long run."'
    Any verdict, by way of drawing public attention, will simply have the effect of increasing TPB's popularity. Just look at what happened after the last raids.
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