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- slipsec, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49Snapple?!?
Suse + Red Hat == SHAT?
PHP + OOP == POOP? - JimV, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35Article dugg just for the headline.
Snapple. I love it. - xtardox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25bring back Woz!!
by that i mean lure him back with free hippy snacks or whatever appeals to idealists. - violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29@ mustaphamond
Not that you're entirely wrong, but stock price is not an indicator of the value of a company.
Apples last quarter revenue was 4.3 billion. Suns was 3.8.
No matter what, the big loser here is Microsoft, and that makes everyone happy. - drlog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23"No matter what, the big loser here is Microsoft, and that makes everyone happy."
...Except Microsoft ;) - mustaphamond, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26It's all wild speculation anyway. But, dude, it wouldn't be Sun doing the buying:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SUNW
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Free segways and lasers......and cheetos.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Omg back when Ajax was just meant to clean walls in my bathroom!
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13they bought NeXT.
They've bought a lot of companies. - MasterDirk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Sun + Google + Apple = Snuggle?
Cute. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Made from the best stuff on Earth.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11 I'll believe it when I see it...
- henryb7318, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Apple has never merged, but they have bought a few companies. They bought Next, Logic (for Logic Pro), and they've bought software from companies, for example what became Final Cut Pro from Macromedia.
- MixedSpleens, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This article is commenting on a Dvorak article, so take the idea with a grain of salt. And we should all remember Dvorak's method of getting readers usually involves getting under apple user's (or anyone else who he feels like targeting) skin!
- wphj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Just because Steve is on the board at disney doesn't mean that he can share any of Disney's stuff with other companies. He has a responsibility at Disney to do what's best for them. Anything else would be a conflict of interests.
- jaymartinez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8uh of course AOL + Time Warner
oh wait...
nevermind - DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Sorry, I have a couple more things to add
"They SPARC guys want it to be a hardware company and run any OS"
Sparc guys? Are you sure you don't mean the AMD guys? You know, the ones making the x64 Opteron SunFires that are fully compatible with Windows and Linux? And I'm failing to see how marketing your hardware for the widest audience is somehow a bad thing...
"the Solaris guys still want to try to get customer lock-in (10 years too late)"
How is that, now? By open sourcing all their best new features so that FreeBSD and Apple can integrate them into their kernels? If you want ZFS and Dtrace, or have a SunFire server, you are not locked into Solaris by any stretch of the imagination.
"the Java camp is (inadvertantly) undermining the rest of the company."
Sorry, with all of your other misses, you're going to have to back this one up with a citation. I'm no fan of Java, per se, but you're just spouting.
"And does anybody think that Solaris devs are going to be happy working on BSD code?"
Have you ever actually used a Solaris system? Did you ever wonder what the UCB in /usr/ucb stood for? HINT: UC Berkeley
"Then looking at the corporate cultures, they are completely incompatible. Apple focuses on the user and user experience"
Uh huh...I can't see one attractive product coming out of a company with Sun's engineering team and Apple's user interface artists...Not a single one. - joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Can anybody think of a big merger than has actually worked well?
- maxplanar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5A decade ago, when Apple was in trouble, all the talk then was of Sun buying Apple. Oh how times have changed.
- drlog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yes, its a strange combination of products. I think if they did merge, it would be overall beneficial to the consumer....Normally mergers are the opposite.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Apple + Phillip Morris + Nickolodeon + Teen People = iNicoteen ??
www.litepost.com - dogfurnace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Java has been struggling since its inception to make a dent in the industry".. ummm what are you talking about? BEA, IBM, Sun, Jakarta, JBOSS to name but a few of the big players have made a few dents in the industry over the past 10 years or so using Java as the enterprise platform of record. Then there's C#, a veritable copy-paste job of Java. Or are you one of those people who think programming starts and ends with PHP rendered webpages?
- mikew101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@pcheaven2k
"WRONG.....Apple merged with NEXT in the 80's."
Actually it was in 1996.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,1137,00.html
http://www.computerhope.com/comp/apple.htm
On another note Apple has bought lots of smaller companies including the parent company of Shake. Shake was not software developed by Apple originally the purchased the company and made the software on mac only.
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/02/07.6.shtml - greyghost487, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ScottMaximus
apparently you are like 5 years old, not around in the day when sun completly DOMINATED the server market, they are still big in the aeronautics & manufacturing industries.
If you want a REAL Unix on REAL hardware buy Sun, otherwise be happy putting together a hundred LAMP boxes. As Seymour Cray said "would you rather have 2 Oxen or 1024 chickens to plow a field?" - willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Neither stock or revenue. Market cap:
Sun - 17.69B
Apple - 57.12B
Neither of them could really afford to 'buy' the other, although, they could merge.
Although, its really a bad idea for both companies to do it. As much as I dislike Apple and their business practices, you have to admit, they stay focused on their business model. They continue to make a steady profit.
Sun OTOH is like a dyslexic with ADD. They SPARC guys want it to be a hardware company and run any OS, the Solaris guys still want to try to get customer lock-in (10 years too late), and the Java camp is (inadvertantly) undermining the rest of the company. They seem to make money by accident.
Then looking at the corporate cultures, they are completely incompatible. Apple focuses on the user and user experience, Sun still thinks that CDE is a great desktop (google CDE+screenshot).
And does anybody think that Solaris devs are going to be happy working on BSD code? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Try doing some research. The latest sun servers run opteron chips and have very high price per performance ratios. That is their target market. Sparc on the other hand....
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@earl507
You make a very convincing point. My concern was more that they would dislike any changes to the interface, but like you said, the underling OS would mostly stand to benefit from Apple using Solaris code. They kinda already have access to it though, in the same way that everybody else does. My feelings of concern is that if Apple controlled the Open-Source code it gets from Sun, that they would not necessarily share whatever improvements they make to the code with others. They might leave the original code open, but it would age while all the new features went exclusively into Mac software. - DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Sun still thinks that CDE is a great desktop (google CDE+screenshot)"
Eh? Solaris has shipped with a GNOME desktop for quite some time. Not that it matters because who wants a desktop on a server anyway? If screenshots have any influence in what server OS you choose, then I'm just going to have to take your whole comment with a grain of salt roughly the size of Jupiter. - sfty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@mustaphamond (why can't i reply in level 2 wtf?)
on the balance sheet SUNW is bigger than APPL (in assets). the trade price is irrelevant (not comparable). - sucresemoule, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://homepage.mac.com/jcs/.Public/sunapple.gif
- Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It would be cool if Apple's OS were a true Open Source operating system! Darwin... meh...
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Would I care if Sun code replaced parts of MacOS? Not if it was better. In the same way Mac fans are coping with Intel inside the Macs. If it's better, we can put up with it.
And why would Apple screw up the opensource stuff Sun develops? - prgrmmr736, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3JPMorgan Chase + BankOne. JPMorgan had a strong Investment Banking and Private Banking business and BankOne had a strong Retail business. The two companies merged and now they can cross-sell to customers and offer better services.
- willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5posty777, they could call the new company "Cider", assuming that Sun will bring in the bitter inebriated side.
- rfunches, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Exxon + Mobil = ExxonMobil
So far the most successful in their industry after the last round of mergers (BP Amoco, ChevronTexaco, Royal Dutch Shell). Posting record profits for a publicly-traded company in the U.S. sounds like a pretty successful merger to me. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This would be an awesome merger. I think this will give Apple the edge in the server market that they desperately need.
*If* it happens, it will shake up the entire industry! - balkanboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Both companies have the best engineering core out of all of silicon valley. It is a complete natural fit. Sun needs money, Apple has it for the giving - Java will become de facto dev platform on the best operating system out there Mac OS X (sorry Linux, you still gotta grow up on the desktop). Both companies have this cult-like aura about them. Match made in heaven. I'm surprised it didn't happen until now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Langford
I don't see this rumor happening, and, as you correctly mentioned, there is a risk to open solaris if apple doesn't want to share the code. Another nail in the coffin so to speak is that these two companies have very different ideologies. Sun is starting to embrace open source while apple still believes that their os and music downloads should only run on their hardware. If this merger was rumored 10 years ago when Sun was very closed (like apple is today) I would have believed it much more. - KCorax, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10To the first 3 replies: Replying under the first comment on a totally different subject just to get noticed is really really lame.
- haydentech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6NeXT bought Apple with Apple's money.
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2OMG, that Snapple statement was made like years ago when they first rumoured that Sun and Apple might merge.
"Shake up the entire industry?"
Please, Sun's power in the industry is overrated, and has been for years. Apple's only purpose for acquiring Sun would be a push into the server market as XServe has failed to make headway into this market.
Sun is pretty much these days an OEM Linux box distributor with some middling success in their Sun Fire products. They really have no "BRAND" anymore. Even the Solaris OS is pretty much a relic of the past, and Java has been struggling since its inception to make a dent in the industry.
Apple buying out Sun (because Apple is the stronger company) would have little impact in the industry, it might make Apple's XServe product more attractive, but only to the few people that are already bought into Sun servers.
I think this is yet another one of those Apple "news" stories that is grounded in pure fiction. Someone just wanted to make the joke Sun + Apple = Snapple. - dogfurnace, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3OS XI == OpenSolaris?
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Apple should merge with Google, Sun, the EFF, Mozdev, Smith & Wesson, and then get Linus Torvalds on their Board of Directors.
(But don' t even try to think of a name for it.)
Then maybe together, they could administer a well-deserved ass-kicking to Microsuck! - ZyckTitan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The term Snapple (for sun+apple) was coined in 1998 this story is far from recent rumors have been floating around for years
- Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't see how Sun could benefit from this. Apple is an aging Dinosaur in Silicon Valley.... the only really interesting thing they've got to offer is the iPod which, if you believe the rumors is already heading for obsolescence when the content industry decides that hardware lock-in is a bad deal for consumers.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ sfty
Digg only has 2 levels (one main and one reply) There is no 2nd reply level. Sorry. - greyghost487, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@dogfurnace
yeah, its either PHP or Ruby with these guys, no real concept of enterprise computing. - charlescheese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Apple would be the buyer. However, Apple isn't stupid enough to buy Sun. There is no way they would do it. It would kill their stock value, and weigh down on Apple for years until they split it off again. It's just not going to happen.
- KCorax, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9> iWeb is way ahead of Blogger and Page Creator
You are comparing a desktop app to a browser based one. This is just unfair.
> Gmail is nice, but I still use Apple Mail to use it
Still Google doesn't mind. They encourage you to do it.
> iCal is better than Google Calendar
Still comparing uneven things. Btw GCal's sharing is much better than subscribing for a brand X ical server.
> iPhoto is better than Picasa
It is absolutely not ! Have you compared them recently ?! Picasa's integration with their web service works better that a paid .mac account. It even uploads faster. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3While I don't think that this rumor will occur, it does make sense on a couple of fronts. If Mac merges, they can put the Mac OS on top of OpenSolaris and gain huge momentum in the server market. Who wouldn't want a server with the power of OpenSolaris (dtrace, zfs, containers) and the ease of use of a Mac? Don't get me wrong, BSD is great, but opensolaris is more evolved for the server market. Mac also instantly gets an office suite for every desktop for free installed with the OS. I see all of this as a positive for the Mac OS. From Sun's perspective, they will gain OpenSolaris market share and probably a better community to support it.
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