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- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+91Google has always been one of the best place to find torrents.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -2/+76yup. It TPB and Torrentspy dont work, google is the only descenty alternative.
It's good for porn too. - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+51why not sue the internet
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36If Hollywood spent some resources on making movies that are worth paying $12 to go see, they wouldn't have this problem.
Making crap movies and blaming downloaders or in this case Torrentspy, which is awesome by the way, for losses is really what hollywood does best besides making stupid choices. - Invader02, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33When they sue google and google countersues the ***** out of them.
- eljaco, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35Well, let's argue that the whole point is to find torrents. The fact that most of them are copyrighted does not necessarily conclude that the main point is to find the copyrighted material. If a lot of copyrighted stuff gets put on websites (and by a lot I mean more than 75%), you are using Google to find these websites and then take the copyrighted material, hence Google should also, according to the MPAA, be charged as a felon. The fact that this is not the case is not something Google can control...although I guess TPB and Torrentspy could filter the torrents, but it's just a matter of renaming a torrent so it's harder to tell it's copyrighted.
- sabster, on 10/12/2007, -18/+48Yeah it is. But at the end of the day the whole point of torrentspy is to find copyrighted files. Even though I hate the MPAA, you really can't deny that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32@ Atomic1fire
The tubes are broke because the big truck hit them, you can't squeeze money from a broke tube - rishimaharaj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25So why aren't they suing Google? Because Google probably has a legal budget the size of Texas. The RIAA and MPAA know their lawsuits are baseless, so they simply prey on people and organizations that don't have the cash to fight all the way to a verdict. They wouldn't dare take on anyone with a war chest as big as Google's.
- AmishJedi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29That would be an interesting courtbattle. google mite be able to put the MPAA in its place
- Ashkc88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Google has always been the best thing to find anything and everything.
- cello, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23ppfff, whatever dude .... listen, if I want to *just check* a movie out I'm not gonna pay for it (beacuse I know it sucks, but am a tiny bit curious) - LET ALONE pay anything over $10.
NOW, if MPAA got their act together and let me "rent" these movies *online* *easily* and for *cheap* then maybe they'd be onto something....
Man, did they ever get a hard-on during the early days of DVD, with special editions and director cuts and extended director cuts and 20th anniversary editions .... they burned their own customer base so ***** 'em - sleepless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17That's what I have always said! It's about time someone used it in the courtroom.
- elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I'll give you a map to a bank with other people's money in it.
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"If the movies are so bad, why are people downloading them?"
In some cases, to see if they are worth paying to see/own. In others, to be able to watch more movies than one could otherwise afford. And in others, because it's easier to download than go legit. Personally, I don't download movies because I don't like to watch movies. But I download music and TV shows for these reasons, and assume the same can be extended to movies.
"Quit making excuses for thieves."
To most people, loss of control over distribution isn't the same thing as loss of property. You're going to have a hard time convincing the general public that copying a CD for a friend is the moral equivalent of having that CD stolen from them. - SmurfButcherBob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I've often been puzzled why **AA doesn't sue Microsoft for creating IIS. After, IIS (and PWS, before it) is available to every Windows install for quite some time. And in the beginning... www was (and still is) one of the primary methods of distribution. If IIS doesn't constitute as much of a "distribution method" as Napster was...
? - Hiker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@sabster: actually, that's really not correct at all. You won't find a single copyrighted file on ANY torrent site ever. Not a one. You'll find links to torrents, which are NOT copyrighted at all (ever). What you then do with those .torrents is your business, not theirs. It'd be like obtaining the public blueprints to a building from your local council. You could just take them home, leave them sitting there or something. But you could also use those blueprints to do something illegal.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I would pay $5 each to watch Monster House and Miami Vice on demand in my house in HD on my 46inch Samsung.
Sitting with annoying noisy unwashed masses for $10 per person I WILL NOT. - Flooq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11cello: Embrace digital distribution? Some of these dinosaurs still aren't comfortable with people choosing their home equipment over the cinema.
- fatlip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11seriously, when will they learn?
- McZiggz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@geekee
There is a huge difference betwene a movie "worth watching" and a movie worth your money. I'm sure you've watched some lame movies on basic cable that you'd never pay to go see in theaters, or worse own the DVD.
If a movie is worth your money you'll pay to go see it in theaters, and (if you're like me) also buy the dvd. But... no one wants to go pay to see some C quality film. And i think it is the B or C quality films that have the most to be concerned about with piracy. Unfortunately the majority of movies coming out these days are B quality or less.
I'm sure people downloaded Pirates of the Caribbean 2... but it still made $132M in one weekend, so they don't have much to complain about. - Phlag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@Atomic1fire: "why not sue the internet"
They're trying their damndest to do so. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"If Hollywood spent some resources on making movies that are worth paying $12 to go see, they wouldn't have this problem."
Given that the movie screens of today usually have a HUGE blurry screens compared to sitting on a comfy sofa a few meters away from perhaps a crisp 40"+ TV together with friends, soon replaying HDTV content, being able to pause for popcorn / bathroom etc, yes, you do have a point.
You pay an awful lot for massive sound (this is good), a major blurry screen and big risks of annoying people in front or behind you. Hopefully not your company beside you though. ;-) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9What's sad is that you need all that money, instead of just a clear understanding of the law.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12every torrent site that I know of lets you have comments
- WorldGroove, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Here's a question...
If I built a website that tells you when & where crimes are happening, do I get sued? - sk33t, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10They can't sue Google. Google actually has the money to fight it.
- ylikone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I actually like torrentspy.com, they let you put up comments for each torrent so you can read about it before you download.
- Spatulas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@borninda818
I usually try isohunt before I get to google - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6[quote]If the movies are so bad, why are people downloading them? Quit making excuses for thieves.[/quote]
I download them because they're not worth seeing in theaters and I will see them later on Cable anyway. I'm just seeing them earlier than cable would show them.
Hollywood isn't losing any $$$ on me. Stop showing movies on cable, and maybe I'll go see them. Actually, I'll probably still download them. =8) )
Look, this movie piracy stuff isn't going to be stopped. Not with new DRM'd hardware, not with law enforcement measures short of putting a cop in every home. Any tech-literate person can tell you that.
The MPAA will eventually drop dead, that's what's going to happen. - Flooq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6sabster: There's no doubt it's popular because you can find copyrighted files on it but it's possible to use a lot of legal tools for illegal purposes and there is a lot of similarities to google searches using filetype:torrent.
- LegendarySock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hell, why use Google to find torrents when you can find entire files with it?
All of those "intitle" and "inurl" and other paramaters make it an ease...
Anyway, its odd that torrentspy didn't mention Yahoo instead of Google, like finding torrents is harder on any other search engine, why pin it on Google? - av4rice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8What the hell? Crappy headline for the article (not the poster's fault because he just copied the original)
Torrentspy is saying "Sue Google IF you're going to sue us" meaning Google is equally as guilty, not more guilty nor absolving Torrentspy of allegation.
Looking further, it's not even just the headline. The article body also has bad paraphrasing:
"The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) might just as well have sued Google Inc. for copyright violation rather than pick on Torrentspy"
Rather than? Wrong. The actual quote from the court filing says "There is nothing alleged to distinguish defendants' website from that maintained by Google" Meaning they're on the same terms; meaning either the MPAA should sue both or neither.
I wouldn't mark this as Inaccurate, but that's shoddy journalism for sure. Or bad translation from German perhaps, given the site's TLD. - MechaFenris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This has been a banner summer for moviegoing on my part. Since as far back as I can remember, my theater attendance has declined. First it was only a few movies a year, then it deteriorated into one or two movies a year. Now it's no movies since the Return of the King. I just wait for DVD now, instead of braving the pickle-eating chair-stabbing morons that populate movie-houses these days.
I usually buy used DVD's now (got the director's cut of "Army of Darkness" for $8), and if that's not available, I'll rent it , because with the exception of a few movie series that keep getting better each viewing, most movies aren't worth watching more than once. :) There are studios I avoid simply for their stance against their customers. (Sony comes to mind...) With the exception of Godzilla movies. ;) I'll bend my opposition to get my hands on the uncut Japanese releases. :)
I guess @ my age, I'm not exactly their target audience, but still.... lay off the sequels, Hollywood... :) - moraviapils, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4From the article:
"When the MPAA filed its suits against the seven companies in February, it said it aimed to shut down major pirate networks by thwarting their supply of illegal material and their means of distribution."
Oh puh-leeze! You shut down Torrentspy, and everyone will find another way to download what they want. Torrentspy and those other six companies aren't the only sources of "illegal material." If they figure out a way to trash torrents everywhere, someone will code up something else, eventually; I might be willing to bet that BT's successor will be better than BT and harder to shut down (heh, natural selection). Unless they can control all of the traffic on the Internet all the time, they're not going to win- and even then, I would say that it's not a foregone conclusion. - olddirtycr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7isohunt doesnt iirc
- cello, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Hmm .... guilty, eh? I'm not so sure google or any torrent site are the real guilty parties here.
I guess you feel google is "guilty" of kiddie-porn too. - Daisuke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4consoneo: mininova does. :P there's a comment tag for every torrent.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes they are sir
- thenewdanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@el jefe: You gotta be kidding me. Not everyone on the planet is tech-savvy, and if you asked some random joe why they don't go to the movies that often, what would they say? They for damn sure wouldn't say, "Oh well I'll just go get the torrent". Most people's point about torrent sites, are that the people who use them aren't nearly enough of a percentage to be of much importance. Most of the public doesn't know how to use bittorrent, or other p2p programs. Most people don't care. How are they at fault because they don't want to go to the movies? Stop making it seem like the industry is losing billions because some people pirate. Is pirating wrong? Yeah, but everyone who pirates already knows its wrong. And some people who do pirate, if they like it, will support it. Ask some people. I know I will. If I like it I support it. For instance, I downloaded X3, but I went out the first weekend and saw it. And when it comes out on DVD, I will go out and buy it; I liked the movie. But as someone said earlier, it's just like watching it on cable. If I see, I don't know, Spider-Man all over cable, am I pirating it? Because I'm watching it for free.
- consoneo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well son of a bitch, how about newnova.org, then ! :P
- sapo916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Google needs to include a Seeders and Peers amount for their torrent list.
- Epimetheus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why sue google when you can terrorize preteens?
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A lot of torrent sites are "dirty".
- squarehappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OT: The countdown for editing posts begins as soon as your post is entered in the database apparently. My countdown started at 40 seconds when the post appearred in Firefox. Is there no accounting for loading time or is that an impossible dream? What about those poor dialup people?
...other than re-read your post before hitting the submit button.
p.s. I misread the CAPTCHA (most likely due to me browsing the internet on my living room TV) and it throws you back to the form with an error, yet the CAPTCHA does not appear due to the code that makes it appear when you apply focus to the comment textarea. This isn't really logical when the comment's already there. Done digressing. - squarehappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So putting aside whether this is legal or ethical for a second, is there any difference between what TorrentSpy does and Google is capable of regarding torrents? It may be a pretty sackless move to sue the small fry, but assuming this is all illegal, whether your operation is big or small makes no difference.
- 81v3d07g0d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Agree and disagree. Haven't really been a whole lot of movies worth seeing lately. Torrent spy on the other hand used to be an okay site. Now there is tons of fake torrents, people lying in their comments to get people not to download something and spy ware ad ware all over the place. And if all that isn't bad enough the categories that they use not make looking around for what you want a total pain in the ass.(fake stuff gets moved to the fake categories? not removed?, oh and stuff that isn't fake gets moved there because people who want you not to download it put it there to hide it? Admin warnings for trying to get spy ware removed?)
Torrent spy used to be a great place, and that is exactly the problem is was so good that everyone used it so .... being so well know meant that people that dint have our best interest in mind have polluted the site. I can but you anything that not long from now it will become almost unusable.
But fear not something new always comes along and of course we will be there right on the bleeding edge, until it to get ruined. - warofwrath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2quick - someone call the developers of CustomizeGoogle!
- invisus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If the studios in Hollywood would make an easy, straight forward way to pay to download movies (without being totally ridden with DRM BullSh!#), then they wouldn't have this problem. I'm sure more people would be happy to pay for movies, if they were priced reasonably.
I can go and buy a weeks worth of food, or go see an ***** movie for the same price. Going to the movies is becoming an affair to be had by people with an excess of money, rather than something the average American family an afford on a regular basis. - m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i know; for reals, right?
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