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- 1n4007, on 05/08/2009, -3/+255On the other hand, it's bad for the BT networks. Every client will request the first parts first, which hurts distribution
- lukedinan, on 05/08/2009, -4/+166*sigh* another great idea that will get ***** on by the absurdly archaic MPAA
- c010rb1indusa, on 05/08/2009, -2/+97There needs to a lot of seeders for a video file to stream properly, what if they seeders drop out mid viewing session? It seems like it would unstable except for the most popular torrents.
- darrellcskinner, on 05/08/2009, -6/+97That's not how torrents work.
- beautifulbeast, on 05/08/2009, -0/+82Seriously, THIS is the future of TV. Add the possibility of comments in real time and I'm in.
- aggies11, on 05/08/2009, -1/+61Completely agree with all the people mentioning that this kinda defeats the point of bittorent. It works best when it's an out-of-order system, not in-order. Efficiency would take a nosedive.
What we really need is officially sourced and seeded torrents from the TV show producers/networks themselves, complete with commercials. A slight modification of the protocol to add dynamic location based commercial injection (at download time) and you get the best of both worlds. Repeat viewings = more advert watching, while people can rip out the commercials, most users will simply go with the official (fast) sources and not bother. Skipping reliably in video files is usually a hassle, so most people likely wouldn't bother to "fast forward" the commercials. But if they are that concerned, simply reduce the number of index frames to a lower number to reduce the effectiveness of seeking.
Streaming video sucks up a decent amount of bandwidth (as I have recently experienced hitting my local ISP's cap), as you can end up re-downloading a good portion of the content multiple times. Not to mention you can't bring it with you on portable devices.
As for DVD sales, include extra interesting content/value to incentivize people (the collectors) to still buy them. Which in reality should be what happens anyway.
Do all this and I'm pretty sure people will watch MORE TV then they already do, as it makes it that much more convenient. - silver26, on 05/08/2009, -3/+43When you download a torrent, you don't necessarily download the early parts first do you? I
- DCstewieG, on 05/08/2009, -0/+39That's only if everyone starts at the exact same time. If the start times are staggered and (maybe more importantly) everyone has an upload speed close to or surpassing the video's bitrate it should theoretically work fine.
- cyssero, on 05/08/2009, -1/+37I do the same thing with Digg comments. All I got from your post is something about Jedi mind tricks?
- LeviTheSmith, on 05/08/2009, -5/+38I like to watch movies that way anyway. I move the slider to random parts so I get the jist of the film.
- deathfix, on 05/08/2009, -1/+30Wasn't there something on EZTV called Swarmplayer that had this exact function?
- Snakedal337, on 05/08/2009, -1/+27Netflix is their answer (or something like it)
Their on-demand service is set up to take their business model into the future, and they should really be looking to work with netflix to get same-day releases set up. Right my major complaint with the netflix streaming is the lack of content, it's mostly older movies or crap that no one wants to watch anyway. With better content, I think we could really see it take off, and if the MPAA arranges to collect a reasonable royalty, theres the answer. - oxymoron69, on 05/08/2009, -0/+24Yes, and they still do. Here's the direct link to Swarmplayer: http://trial.p2p-next.org/
Here's a brief writeup on eztv: http://eztv.it/tstream/tstreamhowto.html - DaNuKaSAN, on 05/08/2009, -0/+22You can easily compensate for this by properly partitioning bandwidth between high demand file segments, and rare, low availability, parts.
And you don't really understand the advantage of the BT system. The more a piece is in demand, the faster it spreads. The challenge is having something that someone else wants to trade to you for it. This in turn increases the spread of rarer file parts. - xtmno3, on 05/08/2009, -0/+18For television, having something like Hulu is a good idea. However, what they need to change is to allow all the shows (even old seasons) to be viewed for a series, with commercials. Their current format is fine except you can't see the last few shows sometimes (House comes to mind where it seems to be a random sampling from the season). Additionally, the pointless waiting period between when a show is aired and when you can watch it on Hulu is silly. During the 8 days (again for House) between the two, I would wager they lose a lot of advertising hits to pirating.
People will still buy the series DVDs if they like the series a lot, or if they want to watch it in better picture, or without commercials. Of course, now that DVDs are like VHS in that they have stupid previews on them (even retail versions!), that is a moot point. - KSUdesigner, on 05/08/2009, -0/+16"Add the possibility of comments in real time and I'm in."
Why? I really don't want to see annoying comments popping up in real time while I'm trying to watch something. - drgmdp, on 05/08/2009, -0/+15FIRST!!!1
- Borlz89, on 05/08/2009, -1/+16Well legal ***** withstanding this site would be good when one is on the road with time to kill and fast internet access.
- sexybobo, on 05/08/2009, -0/+14you can set the priority of which bits you want first.
- GawtMilk, on 05/08/2009, -0/+14The MPAA and RIAA could team together and setup a paid, private torrenting tracker. Don't allow user uploads, instead upload everything using the original releases, DRM free. Remove all viruses, seed each one well, only upload high quality originals. Insert skippable ads into the programs, and wrap them in a .avi format. How much would you pay for that? Hell, with the ads inserted, they might even be able to make it a free service (or, upgrade to "premium" to access shows without ads).
The only way the MPAA / RIAA will ever beat the illegal methods are by out competing them. It's supply and demand - as long as there is demand for an instant-access way to get content, people will supply them. Until the RIAA and MPAA learn that people don't always want to take a bus to the mall to buy an overpriced DVD, they will lose out.
The reason I download isn't because its free, it is because it is fast. I used to listen to a lot of music on YouTube, because that was quick. Now, the uber-anal record companies are deleting sound off of any video which has even a short excerpt of copyrighted material. Living in Hong Kong is a bitch, they all restrict videos to America only. What is the "quickest route" to the content I am looking for? A legal website like YouTube, which bans or blocks the content I'm interested in consuming? No, it's Bittorrent.
If the RIAA / MPAA were to set up a subscription based service, I'd use it in a heartbeat. How come cable is $20/month, but they want $5/movie download? *****. Charge $20/month for subscription to an official torrent network. The users help seed, which reduces maintenance costs. Advertisers are still happy, their ads are being downloaded millions of times per day. Users are happy, they get the content quickly and safely, guaranteed at high quality. Artists and content producers are happy, they get a cut of the profits based on how many times per subscription cycle their content is downloaded. - drgmdp, on 05/08/2009, -1/+15java applets kill my inner child
- beloitpiper, on 05/08/2009, -1/+14Exactly. Why the ***** would I want to hear what people are saying about what I'm watching? It's bad enough when my dumbass friends talk through the whole thing...
- merm, on 05/08/2009, -0/+13Seems that there's a problem with the ends of the movies. Makes sense because there are fewer clients sharing the end of the movie since people are shutting down their clients once its over. Otherwise, it works pretty well.
- KooperG, on 05/08/2009, -1/+14when you want to start watching right away, you will need the first parts first...
- dsmx, on 05/08/2009, -2/+15What about a website that streams every movie ever made, where you only ever 5 clicks from what you want to watch, with adverts on the page to help pay for this.
Wait a minute that sounds awfully familiar to every torrent site on the web. - smackydoodle, on 05/08/2009, -9/+21Let's say you were the new strategist for archaic MPAA and it was your job to bring about change for the modern times. What is your solution for the current way media is being handled?
I'm tired of hearing complaints and no solutions. - bigplrbear, on 05/08/2009, -1/+13Somethings strange about this....
Don't torrents download the fastest and most available parts (not necessarily the first parts) first? - funkyloki, on 05/08/2009, -0/+12You just proved his point twiztidsinz. As it currently works, you will have to wait for approx. half the file before you can start "streaming" it, and you will still have issues with the vid. For torrents to work for streaming though, you have to download the first bits and in continuous order, or else it isn't what we refer to as streaming. Streaming (for me) means to be watching the film almost immediately after I started downloading it.
- shininia, on 05/08/2009, -6/+15We found our solution, piracy. Why should we give them one?
- shandromand, on 05/08/2009, -1/+10Assuming the bottleneck issue could be overcome, this could be a service I'd be willing to pay for. Yet, as luke pointed out, the MPAA will probably do everything they can to stifle it.
- lonniebiz, on 05/08/2009, -0/+9If your using Ubuntu Firefox, make sure you have the sun-java6-plugin installed. If you don't, then type this at a command prompt:
sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
After this, restart firefox, and then you'll be able to view the videos at:
http://www.bitlet.org/video - wolfing, on 05/08/2009, -0/+9The first 5 minutes will stream fast, but then it'll crawl... but who cares about the rest anyway
- Wandel, on 05/08/2009, -6/+15"Soon, you will no longer have to wait and hour or two to start watching your favorite obscure dramedy series."
Soon, you too can ditch your 56k modem and get a broadband connection! - iDiggr, on 05/08/2009, -1/+10"Add the possibility of comments in real time and I'm in"
You mean a place, like a virtual room, where you can express your thoughts and emotions freely and in real time like you're just chatting it up with somebody... we could call it a chat room. GENIUS. - clickmyface, on 05/08/2009, -0/+8...you don't watch movies in order? That definitely doesn't seem right. Watch better movies?
- digitalhippie, on 05/08/2009, -0/+8Its not quite the same thing. Its more like Joost. With BitComet you are previewing the bits you have already downloaded (which could be anywhere within the stream), that's why you'll see the film as a broken sequence. This technology is a little different in its methodology. The bits are sequential, so you get a sequential playback.
- shandromand, on 05/08/2009, -1/+9You didn't even read what the ***** I wrote. GTFO.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 05/08/2009, -0/+8How about charge less than $25 to buy a movie? They're charging an absurdly high amount of money, and then they force you to watch ads and previews that do not allow you to fast forward through. Also, you cannot make a copy of something you now paid for? I certainly do not believe I am getting my money's worth with this scam. Either remove all the ads, DRM, and forced previews, or reduce the cost to about $5 a movie. Also, this archaic physical medium process of going to the store and buying a disc needs to die. Enable purchase electronically, or I will never buy these things.
- RoboDonut, on 05/08/2009, -0/+8High-definition DRM-free downloads without commercials for a small fee ($10).
Matroska/Ogg containers, H.264/Theora video streams, and AC3/DTS/AAC audio.
I would pay if it were easily available and reasonably priced. I'm willing to bet they'd see sales shoot through the roof if anyone could sit down at any time and watch anything they wanted on a whim.
Pirated crap is generally inconsistent in quality and troublesome. They could beat it easily if they confronted it directly instead of throwing lawyers at the problem. - specialK16, on 05/08/2009, -3/+10*facepalm*
Did you know that the average download speed in the US is 1.9Mbps? At the speed, it takes around 1 or 2 hours to download a 720p movie. - cyssero, on 05/08/2009, -1/+8Well, it's hardly the future because there are already clients out there that can do it. Not to mention if more people use this then the efficiency of BitTorrent will significantly reduce. If you're just requesting sequential parts, the whole point of BitTorrent becomes moot, and you might as well use FTP/HTTP/xxx instead. There's a reason why the original seeder can leave a swarm without giving any peer the entire file and it's still possible to complete the torrent without them.
And I'm pretty sure Netflix, etc does VOD anyway and would be a far better candidate for the 'future' of TV. Hardly a new concept for BitTorrent either.
Check out VLCRAAR which can do the same thing for Usenet or other sequential sources, - brianpeiris, on 05/08/2009, -5/+12BitTorrent in general is unstable except for the most popular torrents.
- funkyloki, on 05/08/2009, -3/+10Dude you need to relax, maybe go get laid, you got a lot of anger issues.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 05/08/2009, -2/+9The people who made the content already got paid. They are salaried. The corporation wants to sell more copies to get fatter paychecks for their CEO.
- pjmalone, on 05/08/2009, -0/+7er ... i always thought the best policy was in fact to download the rarest available piece next, ensuring a more even spread of availability....
/prepared to be corrected ... - inactive, on 05/08/2009, -0/+7It's true - Torrents downloaded random bits all over the file - this would require downloading torrents in sequential packets, which kind of defeats the purpose.
- t0x2c, on 05/08/2009, -0/+7@clickmyface Maybe he was watching Star Wars and had to start at #4.
- Rudegar, on 05/08/2009, -0/+6yeah but he did not say this is the relacement of tv within a rather short timespan :)
- DeadFox1, on 05/08/2009, -0/+6You are exactly right. Chances are, there will always be a certain number of users watching a certain video at any given time, and they will be distributed evenly throughout the video time frame.
- bonk2k, on 05/08/2009, -0/+6By "heard from a hot shot at the MPAA" you mean "read an article about the MPAA" correct?
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