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- groovepapa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+119Clarification from the updates on the article:
Sourceforge has to take down the project because it contains copyrighted cryptographic keys, not just because of its circumvention potential. Nit-picky, yes ... but it kinda clarifies SF's position - as a U.S. company, it must comply with the DMCA when its regulations can be demonstrated to apply. In this case, the letter of the law requires the action.
SF didn't just "bow" to pressure of copyright-circumvention howlers.
Yes, I'm an SF-fanboy. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63I got better keys:
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Anyone who steals my keys in any combination are asking for a law suit. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+55It's interesting how you can copyright a cryptographic key...
- Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43When something is clearly illegal, as a US Company there is nothing you can do, unless you want lawsuits that you know you will lose.
- cdgod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42How can you copyright keys?
09239982134984721932479 (c) 2007 All rights reserved.
I will now sue anyone who uses that number to encrypt or decrypt anything.
... profit! - acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36It's odd that they had keys in the source code. They should know better, and since muslix started it, the keys were always left up to people to get. There was a website setup to archive them so I don't see why they would put any in BackupHDDVD.
"When I asked Seirmarco if they would be willing to host a sanitized version of BackupHDDVD, he said they would; "It would be difficult for us to see a compelling reason not to host that software.""
I'll be glad to see this back up on SF once it gets cleaned up. - Elum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24@jaymcnasty
Heh, you can copyright DNA coding as well... yea.. it's messed up - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29Big deal.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3629330/BackupHDDVD - acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26get back to me on that when thepiratebay provides a code repository for development.
- godofpumpkins, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25OMG why does someone ask this every time? People talk about a digg _algorithm_ because there isn't just a simple threshold above which the article is magically on the front page. It (supposedly) takes into account how reputable the people who dugg it up are, how fast it's getting dugg, and several other funky factors.
That is why it's popular after 27 diggs :) - SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26because its anti DMCA
- d3dm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Don't kid yourself. DRM won't keep the masses from upgrading. There is DRM on DVD discs today, and Joe & Jane Six-Pack don't care. They buy/rent a movie, put it in a slot, and watch it on their TV. To them, it's totally transparent. The same thing will happen with HD-DVD/BlueRay.
- Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16DRM will always be hacked around.
- godofpumpkins, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17that's true. If I considered a 3-megabyte MP3 of a copyrighted song as a huge, 24-megabit integer, and printed that number out, would the number be copyrighted? If I had a webpage with that huge number on it, without telling people what to do with it, I'm sure no one would even notice. But if I gave them the procedure for writing that number to a file and told them that the file was an mp3 file, then indeed my number would be copyrighted. It's the weird philosphical implication of digital data, unfortunately. Everything is fundamentally a number, and numbers can overlap, and one can do different things with them.
It'd be l33t to write a shareware program that contained executable code that matched a copyrighted song's data byte-per-byte, but had an executable header at the beginning, where the code actually did something relevant to the program. Then, the data, when interpreted as executable code, would be a copyrightable work, but so would the data when interpreted as music. Would I have violated the copyright owner's rights? It's very nebulous, but they don't want you to think that. - dherman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I thought you can't copyright numbers? Intel tried to copy right the x86 family of numbers and lost...
Dave - 6ixed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Original thread from Doom9 Forums: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122770
- lucian303, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11someone should encrypt the hddvd backup program with a copyrighted key so that it would be a violation of copyright and the DMCA for the RIAA/MPAA and other ***** to decrypt it and find out what's inside. keys should be provided to everyone with at least half a brain (that excludes everyone who considers the DMCA/current copyright law their friend)
- TimOgg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12SF cant be responsible for a stupid law
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Blame the MPAA, not SourceForge. It's the law that is wrong, not complying with it.
Want this ***** to end, stop electing people to congress who will allow RIAA/MPAA Lawyers to write their legislation. - dude187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@godofpumpkins
It's never "l33t" to write a "shareware" program. - faceicles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Jane Six-Pack is a known DVD ripper. Do not try to protect her!
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Contrary? What about bolstering?
You cannot copyright a crypto key. Copyright is for creative works, keys are only functional. Their value is defined directly by their function and thus are not in the least creative.
Sega v. Accolade. - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Just let HD-DVD and Blu-ray stay DRM'd and see how many people "upgrade" from DVD then.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7cdgod, A very good point. Where, pray tell did they state that the keys were copyrighted? Is the fact that they are stored on the copyrighted disk enough to make them copyrighted? Although I suppose this is how they manage to make this claim, I don't feel the law was intended to protect this type of data. This would be parallel to saying that any quotes from your movie are copyrighted because they are data stored on a copyrighted disk.
- cdgod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@godofpumpkins
Copyrights were created so that an artificial scarcity can be created in the market. So the singer's time and effort in creating a song, all that value, can be encoded in a number (or grooved on a vinyl record back in the day) that actually has no real value. But to compensate the singer, writer, poet, painter copyrights laws were created.
It's amazing that it all still works...
Economics will take care of everything. The price of everything will eventually be reduced to to it's marginal cost. - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@dherman
You are mistaking copyright and trademark, I believe. Intel wanted to trademark the names of their processors, but were unable to because the were called by number (x86). This is the reason that they began to use the name pentium. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Stop electing them... Sounds good doesn't it? But in practice, we aren't given a choice between a pro-media-industry candidate and a pro-consumer candidate. We get to choose between two people with the same interests. We can vote for a third party or withhold our vote, (many do) but it has little to no impact on the end result.
- counterstriker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6this is to bad, now DRM will have to suffer more pain before its finally dead
- slipsec, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"When something is clearly illegal, as a US Company there is nothing you can do, unless you want lawsuits that you know you will lose."
you mean like anti-competitive lawsuits? - SenatorPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I remember an article about how because pi is infinite and nonrepeating that, based on the infinite monkeys on typewriters, every combination of data ever is just at a certain index of pi. Photoshop CS 3 could be 1500000 digits long after the 3412 digit of pi. Can you copyright an index of a universal constant?
- agimat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"SF cant be responsible for a stupid law"
"you mean like anti-competitive lawsuits?"
It is unfair and stupid and all that but if it's the law then you have to comply - especially when you have a business to protect. - SenatorPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5And I paraphrase Kevin Rose "We spent lots of time developing and perfecting the digg algortihm"
Algortihm:
if (story.diggs > 50)
story.frontpage = true; - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Joe and Jane SixPack just upgraded from VHS and don't feel like upgrading anymore.
- ColdDimSum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I strongly suspect that you cannot actually copyright crypto keys since they are fundamentally a number, however you can CLAIM a copyright on anything and probably even get some courts to uphold it if you confuse the issue enough, but if you could afford the legal battle I suspect the supreme court would overturn any such ruling. IANAL so YMMV
Would be interested in hear of any rulings to the contrary.
However, you could easily run afoul of other laws by publishing someone elses crypto key, especially with laws like the DCMA running around bullying anyone who wanders off the well-lit street. - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ratteler: you fight the system by buying right into it? Good luck with that. It is cynical to believe the system is rigged to benefit the status quo yet?
- Red_Eye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Brilliant! Simple, and yet nobody spoke of it till now.
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Complying with bad laws is wrong.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they'd get a court ruling saying they could... waste of time tbh
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are always given a choice. You just don't look into it or make it a voting priority. Stop voting for the millionairs and billionairs. Go at least 4 colums over, and spread the word as to why you are doing it. You can't fight the system, unless you try.
- Fairly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Doesn't matter much why - it's the ***** DMCA again. And SF - they're wimps.
- xSEED, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1get anydvd
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Would that be your defense in court?
- zeruch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Seirmarco is correct in his position, and SF did not, as the subject suggests, "bow" to pressure. It was being compliant with the law as it is currently.
Disclosure: I am a former VA Linux employee, and knew Seirmarco while I was there. - alpinestarless, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Too late now It was out with open source...
DMCA looses open source wins bye bye good day. - agimat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2sorry, bury pls.
- samsara1981, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@godofpumpkins: you could use a key ^^
- backuphddvd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This mirror http://www.backuphddvd.net/ for BackupHDDVD is back.
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http://www.backuphddvd.org
http://www.backuphddvd.info - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hooray for 14 year olds that don't understand anything. I think it's time to find a new website, without the moronic userbase of Digg's.
- zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0seems you can copyright numbers now? I guess if we have a webpage that lists every number starting from 1 to the largest 4million digit number, if we just wrote a song name next to each number would we be breaking copyright of the number or the knowledge that that number also happens to be a song?
- dkm201, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Yeah, and then no one will create anything. O utopian future!
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