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- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31I have an HDTV (albeit, 27 inch) and also am not too excited about blu-ray. I'd probably bite, but the hassle with DRM and the down-converting as a future possibility is a big turn-off.
Don't forget that not only did DVD look better than VHS, it offered TONS more features:
1) Digital Sound
2) Access to any part of the movie from a menu
3) No rewinding
4) Does not degrade over time
5) Extra Features, commentary tracks
6) Better packaging (except those WB discs)
7) Movies could now be easily found in their original aspect ratio
8) You can burn family videos to DVD, or homemade movies (more of a recent thing)
9) Let's face it, VHS sucked compared to DVD
What does HDDVD/Blu-ray have to offer?
1) Higher resolution, that requires not only an HDTV, but an HDTV with support for HDCP
2) The sound is still Dolby Digital or DTS, nothing improved (can it be anytime soon?)
3) Don't see how the commentary tracks or extras will be better
4) One disc for movie & extras instead of 2 DVDs for movie & extras? Big deal!
5) The possiblity that the early blu-ray drives won't play dual or triple layer blu-ray discs in the future?
6) Does DVD suck compared to blu-ray? (everything considered) - Loyaleagle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17is it just me or is that player HUGE!
- chrislund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14it's called the image constraint token (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Digital_rights_management ). it limits resolution on non-hdcp outputs to 960x540.
sony, mgm, disney, and fox are apparently opposed to it. warner pictures and paramount are expected to use it.
sony's statement against the ict: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060314-6377.html - dtaylor05, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17i find it a little ironic that the video was sponsered by microsoft.
- joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12When DVD came out, the difference in quality compared to the standard VHS was huge. As I sit here now watching Finding Nemo on DVD on my 46" DLP TV, I can't imagine that the human eye would see such a huge jump in quality when going to one of the HD/Blu Ray formats (unless you have an 80" TV or high-end projection system). I have HD content through my cable, and I don't notice a big difference between that and current DVD's. Maybe I'm not geek enough, but I'm just not that excited about HD DVD or Blu Ray yet.
- synd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14http://*****.com/boycott
- chrislund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10killerdeath: no.
my understanding is that sony has said the discs they release will not have this token. other studios are to do as they please.
i think what you were thinking is that sony's future blu-ray players (or everyone's) will have the downsampling ability disabled in hardware. that's apparently not true:
"Blu-ray players must follow AACS guidelines pertaining to outputs over non-encrypted interfaces. This is set by a flag called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), which restricts the resolution for outputs without HDCP to 960x540. The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left up to the content provider."
see my previous links for reference. - nerdherder, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Did anybody else find the sony representative boring as hell?
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I love how he avoids the question of how much the individual movies will cost.
i.e; they're gonna be expensive. PRobably twice as much, if not three times as much as your standard DVD. - razmig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7why? so you could waste another two minutes writing pointless comments?
- Loyaleagle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@pigsbladder
that's basically the whole premise of the video......but at least now you get the captain obvious award.... - Tanpreet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7well thats what they were saying since day 1
- iamsjn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I don't think it was any larger that any other standard DVD player. If you look close, it's sitting on top of another component which makes it look massive.I'll be in line for this on day one.
Someone else mentioned that they couldn't imagine that the human eye could see such a huge jump in quality. Well, the jump won't be as huge as the VCR to DVD jump but I will tell you this, the jump WILL be noticable. The difference is quite surprising.
SjN - XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7he sounded like a rep....Just said the facts and made Sony look as good as possible...
- dbshibby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have no need to spend another grand to upgrade my home entertainment system. I'll wait till the ps3 is out, content is more widely available, and the price comes down.
- sluggoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Plus, he has no sideburns.
- dj_sea2005, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6nice one sony, just dont slip up this time.
- briguyd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, but the problem is that not everyone (or even a large percentage of the population) has a 60 inch plasma screen 1080P TV. For the average consumer, this jump is almost useless (for the time being).
I'm going to wait a year or so before I can see who will win the format war and can tell the difference between standard DVD and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
Also, I want a replacement plan where I can turn in my current DVDs and get the same movie in the new format at a reduced cost. I'm not abandoning my movie collection for a stupid worthless upgrade. - DigitalN3k0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4He didn't even answer the Cnet reps questions.
- spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You beat me to it ;)
"Sponsored by Microsoft" - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why is everyone getting excited?
Excited? Where? Obviously not at this forum! All I hear is complaints. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5F*CK SONY!
Sony is a member of the MPAA.
Why do you support or buy their products?
Please BOYCOTT ALL Sony products and services!
If you like the mob tactics of MPAA members, you have no place on digg.com! - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So what? CD's are cheaper than tapes but that didnt stop the RIAA from jacking up the price.
- meyerj88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You won't have to buy your entire collection again. The representative said the blu-ray players will play current DVDs and they will be "up res'ed." I don't see the need to buy all my movies in either High Def format because unlike VHS, DVDs won't degrade. That was the main reason to buy all my favorite movies on DVD.
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think the PS3 is going to small.
- amed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This dude is on crack
When he said that blue-ray will adapt much faster than dvd, he must've been smoking something
First off: the next high def is in a war with itself (blue-ray vs hd-dvd)
Secondly: the gap between vhs and dvd was huge, people saw the difference, but the gap between dvd and high def isn't as hug. Consumers will have to invest alot of cash to truly experiance the high def.
My advice, wait to the ps3 since will be the only true entertianment device ( movies, games, online, music, u name it). And the price would probably even be less than 1000 - jawngee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you live in Tokyo, you can see blu-ray player for yourself at the Sony building.
- drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I believe they abandoned the caddy and instead are using that sweet coating TDK invented for their "armor plated" DVDs.
- JamesGHill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wrong. While there's a great difference between 480i and 720p, the difference between 720p and 1080p is not as noticable by the human eye.
That's why Sony has quietly dropped 1080p support from the PS3: Little bang for the buck.
Spread information, not hype. - NejiKun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4People, let's not forget the Blu-Ray's possibly capacity. When you use all the layers in a Blu-Ray disc, it's possible to achieve over 200 GB of storage in that little disk. That's massive compared to DVD, CD, and even HD-DVD.
As we have seen in the past with former format wars, there will always be something that wins the consumer over, if Blu-Ray is coming out ahead, with more features, a whopping amout of storage, and they advertise it correctly. We can expect the fall of any hopes of HD-DVD to gain supremacy.
What you see there is a few components designed to help enhance the Blu-Ray player, sound, etc. with some fancy design. The actual barebones of the Blu-Ray (without the plastic and digital displays) is small enough to fit inside a PS3.
Let's also remember this isn't Macworld, where you have Steve standing up on a big stage with a huge audience. This is an informative representative that is supposed to make his speeches information-dense and without all that flash that doesn't really suit this kind of interaction vs. say a huge keynote with Tom Hanks and Dan Brown. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sony innovation is an oxymoron.
- markcrules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why is everyone getting excited about a format that will restrict the consumer even more and cost more for the player and the media? I'm sticking with DVD for the forseable future. You wait until Blu-ray players come out for computers, whats the chances that it will be Vista only because it needs loads of DRM installed?
- n3tfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3People that are complaining about buying their movies all over again probably don't know anything about upconversion. Sure it won't look as good as the newest HD-DVD/Blu-Ray release, but you'll be surprised just how good of a job a nice upconverter will do. No need to replace your entire collection, especially considering that most people don't watch the majority of their entire collection more than once or twice anyway. Just repurchase the ones that you absolutely cannot live without.
- Killerdeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Cool, thanks for clearing that up Chris. Leaving it in the hands of the studios is actually a smart thing.
- pavelich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3non-intelligent...
- floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't understand how they plan to make PS3 that small if the blue-ray DVD player on its own is 10 inches thick.
- SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Several manufacturers have stated they are coming out with dual format players, that play both HD-DVD and bluray. These players are the only safe bet for consumers, because it makes the format war irrelevant to them and they get the advantages of both formats. Any player that only plays one format like this one, or the PS3 will not be able to compete with these dual format players if the price difference is marginal.
- drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you don't think there is a much of a difference between DVD and HD DVD/Blu-Ray then you simply haven't seen HD content on a large screen.
I have a 60" TV and the difference between a movie on DVD and a movie shown in HD on HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc is stunning. And these new disc formats will look even better than what is broadcast on HD channels (presumably less compression to avoid macroblocking that is sometimes visible on fast moving scenes).
Then again I would not jump on the first gen player that costs $1000 either. I'm waiting until they cost less and hopefully the industry will have settled on one format by then. - Brutis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2dvd upconversion players do fine, and this isn't a huge jump from dvd, and everyone already has 100s of dvds why rebuy them again in another format.
blueray or hd-dvd wont be widely adopted for another 2years or more - merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have an HDTV (Sharp Aquos 32''), since i own a 360 im probibly going to go with HD first, the PS3 is the only factor on if im going to have Blu-ray or not.
- slaystench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is two devices on top of each other. The player itself is the same size as normal dvd players...
- rhino_rampant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The last thing I want to do is trust (and invest) my media collection into yet another format brought to you by the DRM-fanatic Sony Corp.
- gabebear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3^^jonnyeh
Blu-Ray will have a new application layer based on Java which will make a lot of things possible. This is the most exciting feature to me. - 06metzp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hmm.... not going to be able to afford this... oh, right! Boycotting! That'll make me fit in. "i'M boicotting teh suxxor sony crap 2!"
In reality, though, I am against the DRM even if the only reason I won't be getting a player is price. - btipling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That thing is the size of my PC heh.
- sk545, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7yeah, the player is quite huge and fugly (almost as bad as the original xbox, although that beats everything in the ugly department).
- mv10, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So, the Blu-Ray DVD player is gonna be $1,000. That isnt giving me any hope that the PS3 is going to be anywhere near $500.
- 4tygames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does anyone else see the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray going like the same direction as DVD-Audio and SACD?
Regular consumers are not going to rebuy their entire collection of DVDs, instead I think the market will definitely see a rise in upconverting DVD players. In the format war, sure Blu-Ray offers more storage, but the average consumer will recognize the name HD-DVD as a DVD for high definition purposes, what does Blu-Ray mean? Blu-Ray looks like the Betamax.
I currently do not see a reason to upgrade yet. The current DVD players that upcovert regular DVD look like a safer bet at the moment. Check out the first inDigital episode (revision3.com/indigital) for more infomation and their great comparison of the LG and Sony upconverting DVD players. - flyindutchman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I still am not sold that the regular consumer will buy this stuff at all. What is the HDTV penetration? After how many years on the market?
- david2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3HD-DVD! No! Blu-Ray!....Waaaaaaaa! This whole format war is worse than a crying baby who dropped her ice cream on the sidewalk. I'm boycotting it.
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