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- HunterTV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+422Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy',"
Yeah, and not buying the stuff you sell is just a nice way of saying "***** you." - sio2man, on 10/12/2007, -3/+346Since iTunes lets me put a purchased song on more than one device, am I still stealing it? This is the reason the RIAA and MPAA are so hated.
- exscind, on 10/12/2007, -3/+286Sony BMG lost half its business because of piracy. Yep, spouting anti-consumer rhetoric, selling rootkit-infested CD's, and shoving the ATRAC3 file format down our throats had nothing to do with it.
Get a clue, Sony. We'll keep digging as long as you do. - austin63, on 10/12/2007, -1/+171 Who the ***** listens to the head of sony litigation when it comes to fair use?
- PistolFred, on 10/12/2007, -3/+169FTA, according to Pariser (the head of litigation for Sony BMG), "making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'"".
I have 2 physical hard drives on my PC. I've copied the music folder from one to the other as a backup. (I know, a power surge or malicious virus could kill them both). By her definition, I stole those songs even if they are still only accessible from a single device.
You gotta think that they're just stretching their claims knowing that they won't get everything they ask for. Then they're bound to proudly say that "they compromised". - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+163How does she explain MiniDiscs then? The only way to get music onto one was to copy it!
- imrickjamesbich, on 10/12/2007, -8/+117It's such a shame that the record companies have downsized since 2000. I am sure the robber barrons felt the same when the us government started regulated corporations. Market forces - corporations never like it when they work against them. The days of choking the music industry are over.
- johnlandes, on 11/01/2007, -8/+111***** SONY!
And hey, why not.. ***** THE RIAA to boot! - explnx, on 04/27/2009, -2/+89I'm using a RAID array that makes two copies of everything on a pretty low level. Is tht stealing as well?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+81Please don't venture into markets you do not understand. I really cant comprehend what is with major corporations and understanding this generation and the well informed previous generation. We have access to information of a broad base now and were are no longer manipulated by your standards created for your profit. We are a generation of people that know our choices and respect honorable business practices. We are VERY loyal to companies that understand that, and your POV that we are all out to save a quick buck does not help your stance with us. Realize times of changed and you are far behind, otherwise in 20 years you will be no where.
We are the new, and we are informed. - Aeric, on 10/12/2007, -6/+85I'll just be happy when Musicians realize they will make more money if they just sell songs themselves. Instead of getting about 5% of album profits, they will get nearly 100%
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+72There are only 3 explanations for someone saying such nonsense
1. They are Insane
2. They are very stupid
3. They are evil
Take your pick - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72So now everyone is a theif? Wasn't Sony involved in a court case in the 80s over the VCR format and copyright violations? They sure like to change sides when it suits them.
- mtruth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+56Wait, the song is in memory, that's going to cost you!
- WayneCA, on 10/10/2007, -0/+51"Music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise."
No? The musicians do? Wait.. who makes the music again? Oh.. you mean you're angry that the artist is getting paid and you're getting shafted? Payback is a bitch isn't it! - inactive, on 10/22/2007, -1/+51Agreed, It just shows what little they really know and understand of their own market.
- joshpar, on 10/10/2007, -5/+54So if I give Sony the finger... and reflect it in the mirror, I can say that the Sony exec that sees it is stealing an extra f**k you...
- ToadLeg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51I had to "copy" a song to my speakers in order to listen to it. Did I just steal that song by copying it to my speakers?
- Waskonator, on 10/10/2007, -2/+50sony... you idiots.
- Spankenstein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+44I just had my entire CD stolen--the actual physical CDs. I guess I'm just supposed to delete my MP3 copies of the music I've spent the last 15+ years collecting?
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+42Why don't they stop crying about piracy and lower the price of CDs. I still buy CDs, in fact I only buy CDs, but I'd venture a guess more people would too if it wasn't so damn expensive. Some new CDs are like $18-$20 after tax. That's crazy. Cut it in half.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+40Opinions like this are what have lead many to pirate in the first place. The record labels are essentially telling us "It's not about you, it's about your money."
They have to realize their entire business model needs a make over -- because to be honest, we're in a day-and-age where they are no longer needed at all; A good independent musician/band can greatly aide their own success online, connecting to fans and selling digital downloads worldwide while keeping almost all the profit. I say it's time we cut the middle man. - Richandler, on 10/10/2007, -5/+45By that logic Sony and every other major recording label is stealing billions of songs a year.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -1/+38These are old guys with very anti-competitive attitudes. I don't think you will find any of them interested in what we the Tech's have to say because frankly they make more money than we do. If the Google guys opened a DRM free mp3 store I bet they would pay attention.
- resplence, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32I guess it's cute that they think they can win against human nature and technology. Reminds me of the companies that were against the radio, television and VCR. When we look back a decade from now we'll get a good a laugh out of this.
- Amablue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33You're going to jail, thief!
- Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -4/+34I wish it were that easy.
When it comes to making music, you won't sell song one until people get to know you. People usually get to know music through radio play. To get radio play, you usually need a label to push your music. Sure, you may have a great local following, but you'll make no money that way.
Once a band starts out, they get their local following and make contacts (friends with other bands, people who know people, etc). You sell whatever merchandise you can at shows (small shows you make practically nothing), and make sure everyone gets a flyer with your info.
With the people you've made contacts with, inevitably, if you were a decent band and had a decent sound, you'll be asked to fill in a spot or two. If you're really lucky you get asked to go on a small tour. What you don't know is that for that small tour, you're paying for everything yourself out of pocket. So, hopefully you can sell some merchandise along the way. Otherwise, you may not eat.
Then, once you start to get a decent amount of people who know you, you basically make a resume of where you played and what bands you've toured with, while at the same time shopping your Demo CD around to different small record labels.
Once you get picked up by a record label is when you're actually able to sell your CDs, because the record labels have the money to produce professional quality CDs and the ability to market them through commercials, radio play, etc.
Unless you have a lot of money on your own, there's no real way to promote yourself to be a decent sized act. - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Worse. According to her argument there would be NO LEGAL WAY of getting music onto a portable device. If I buy a second CD and rip it, that's stealing another copy (and another when I copy it to my mp3 player). If I buy a digital version and copy that to my portable device, that's stealing one copy. If I have more than one portable device, that's multiple copies that I'm stealing.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34Copying music is really a form of transportation. I bought a music file from itunes and I want to listen to it whenever and wherever I can. I copy it to my ipod. If this is stealing, they should sue Apple. Apple has a lot more money than the average ipod user.
- jasondefaoite, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31They did sell MDs with music on them. But like many many other Sony proprietary formats, it didn't take off. Just like movies on UMDs for the PSP.
- eaasness, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28I find it ironic the fact I can get a movie for less than I can get a CD.
- weebit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28Here is a good website that explains the copyright laws and gives examples too.
http://teamcombooks.com/mp3handbook/5.htm
Portion to read states:
"Congress believed that the Doctrine of Fair Use, which is now embodied in Section 107 of the Copyright Act, protects audio home recording from copyright liability as long as the MP3 file is for your own, noncommercial use and you do not distribute copies of it to anyone else.
The ruling, in June 1999, by the U.S. Court of Appeals in the RIAA vs. Diamond Multimedia lawsuit over the Rio portable MP3 player makes it even clearer that Doctrine of Fair Use allows consumers to “space-shift” and “format-shift” music by ripping it to their hard disk and converting it to MP3."
Ok if you check this next link which is from the Harvard Education Archives http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is99/RioSpaceShifter. ... you can pretty much read the same thing. Be sure to check out the links at the bottom some link to the case, others link to the law. Plus one other case.
So you are not stealing if you make a copy for YOURSELF from your own CD collection. - manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29I honestly couldn't read this article. Although I'm only a la student and she's a high profile lawyer, I still feel comfortable in saying that she has no idea of she's talking about.
I stopped reading right about here:
"Music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise."
But I would argue that file sharing helps promotes these things. I would rather spend 30 dollars on concert tickets and help out the artist in a more direct way than throw my money to the RIAA. - tehnico, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28This is the epitome of a free market. The free market has weighed in with it's opinion and decided that the product of the record labels has no more value. That their product is worthless.
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28so lets pay sony for every instance of each song we have, and how about a royalty for every time we listen to a song, and maybe a small fee for just thinking about a song, and agree to never let anyone else hear the music, otherwise we both get sued.
- PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29I really wish that these idiots in the record industry would just adopt Borland's old software agreement where you treat your music like a book. You can make as many copies as you want, but you can only use one at a time. For that hack to seriously suggest that copying data from one device to another for your own benefit is beyond ridiculous. I mean wouldn't you be stealing it if you bought a second copy to rip for your mp3 device by her logic?
There really isn't a corner of hell hot enough for her if she is actually trying to hold this argument up in court. - dxgg, on 02/05/2008, -0/+27Next they'll be suing us for humming.
- Smegzor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24The lifeforms on planet Sony BMG are extremely illogical Captain.
- funktimus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26... lol...
Wonder what excuses Sony will make when bluray ends up having to move in with betamax... over at the local landfill. "people are pirating movies!!!" - exscind, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25This was directed to UMG's Doug Morris, but it seems to fit quite appropriately here as well:
http://www.screamcast.net/public/doug_morris.jpg - bsmeteronhigh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Astounding considering CD-Rs labeled for music use include a fee that is paid to the record companies. Same with audio cassettes, although they are not in wide use anymore.
- chaos36, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21You know, I think I have sony CD-R's, does that mean that they are aiding me, an accomplice.
- DebbilsAdvocate, on 10/10/2007, -8/+28Two words: ***** YOU
- ds316, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25lol at people saying piracy is stealing. Stealing is when you take something from someone that belonged to them. When you pirate something, you are not taking anyone's possessions away from them. I'm not trying to glorify piracy or say that it is right, but at least get the definitions right ffs.
- Audacitor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21All three?
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Oh dear, maybe they wouldn't be rich and would just make a normal living as local talent. How tragic.
- Smegzor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19www.jamendo.com
www.magnatune.com
Be happy ^^ - LilJimmyNordin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Home taping is killing music.
- dibdidit, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18Have you heard of the internet, you don't need radio to be known anymore...
- georgio5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16 record companies are going under... get over it Sony. your days are numbered!
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