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- Rotzooi, on 12/08/2007, -3/+38I think the non-Dutch people should understand that BREIN is a *private* foundation, run by mainly one person, Tim Kuik, who has some kind of moral superiority complex. This is not a government agency. Yet they visit people at home to intimidate them (see: Sharereactor) and try to obtain warrants and injunctions, which are mostly illegal - but they bother the ISPs and other companies so much, that the sites and persons in question get shut down simply because everyone involved is sick of having to deal with these douchebags.
- badjokes, on 12/08/2007, -2/+31hopefully the ISPs wont bow down to the pressures of BRIEN. mininova is a pretty good site.
- PATSCRU, on 12/08/2007, -0/+25stay away from my mininova. i'll kill ya.
- ChromaVita, on 12/08/2007, -2/+22I miss Demonoid the most. I went to Mininova for a temporary replacement, and now they've got their sites on that? What am I to do?
- shirosamurai, on 12/08/2007, -0/+15It may damage the torrent community, but it'll never end piracy. If a torrent site falls, a new one rises up and the masses flock there. If a piracy medium falls, a new one rises up. Meanwhile, the Pirate Bay still stands defiant.
There are many alternatives to torrents which are currently thriving and also do not require a centralized tracker or server in order to operate. Take, for example, the Kademlia network. There are no servers and no trackers - the file sharers themselves act as little mini-servers that all join together to produce the database of searchable files on the p2p network. It's not as big as torrents right now, but it's quickly growing -- and how are they going to shut that down? - ChromaVita, on 12/08/2007, -5/+17I think I speak for most of us when I say: ***** you, you big rusty bucket of *****.
If I don't speak for you, feel free to correct me. - BlaenkDenum, on 12/08/2007, -3/+11This second half of 2007 they've been cracking down. Demonoid, OiNK, LeaseWeb hosted sites, arrests/raids, new bills passed, ... is this the beginning of the end for torrents? What do you guys think? I think for fact piracy will never end, as people could always resort back to transfer of physical media. Or do you guys think it's time the Torrent protocol evolves to adapt to the current situation?
- lithera, on 12/08/2007, -2/+9Brein is only interested in cleaning up the sites hosted in Holland.
They know they can't stop piracy and they are not interested in doing so either, as long as Holland is clean they are happy, in other words, typical Dutch way of thinking (and yeah, I'm a Dutchie myself)
They have some pretty dodgy ways of harassing the ones they target, I hope one of these sites has the balls to go to court and give them a bitchslap.
That said...
Brein, val maar lekker dood - nuvem, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7You're a fool if you think the ISPs can stop piracy. So long as there is a protocol available, pirates will use it; they'll stream data through VOIP if need be.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Too bad he's not in the US, you could just pull a gun out if he showed up at your house.
- fkr3, on 12/08/2007, -5/+9Where are these new torrent sites rising up to replace the "fallen" ones? I don't see more and more people jumping up to risk their finance, their freedom and their ***** to become a target on your behalf.
TPB "stands defiant" behind a legal loophole that they know is not going to last forever which is why they've diversified into purely-legal strains and try so hard to refocus their core audience.
How will they shut down Kademlia? By working with the ISPs to kill P2P in all it's forms. - listed, on 12/08/2007, -3/+7These websites are not responsible for what their users upload. Yes the majority of the stuff can be considered illegal according to an aging, useless copyright law, but the website also has legitimate uses: http://www.mininova.org/user/LegalTorrents.
- piwy, on 12/08/2007, -3/+7Meh you could but it doesn't really always work quite well. I can't walk into a store and get the latest episode of Dexter / Shark / whatever i'm watching at the moment. Don't say iTunes cause not everything is on there, and i'm not even sure they are selling tv series in there (I'm in the Netherlands here).
On the app side there are a ***** of apps i need just once or twice in a while. Not gonna shell out prime buck for that. Same goes for music btw. Can't get everything on iTunes, probably need just a song or two from the cd so not gonna buy the whole cd either. - inactive, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4BTJunkie is good.
- discofreak, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4i was so upset when suprnova was shut down, i HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE TorrentReactor. the nova's are so clean and easy to navigate and understand - it'll really suck if mininova bites the dust.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -1/+4Unfortunately, pirating it is the only way I know if I want it. If I didn't have that opportunity, I wouldn't even know I wanted something to begin with. It's not a choice between buying everything or pirating everything. It's a choice between pirating everything and buying some of it, or pirating nothing and buying nothing.
- BlaenkDenum, on 12/08/2007, -0/+3I hope so, but lately I feel like we're just saying that out of habit, and we keep telling ourselves that in hopes that it is/becomes true. Lately I've heard nothing but bad news in the scene world. Hopefully things pick up.
- JustinPM, on 12/08/2007, -0/+3Freenet is atrocious. Sure, it seems pretty secure but that system really brings out the worst in the internet.
- Pixelante, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2But where a group of thugs can come at night, beat up the occupants to a pulp, and thrash the servers with sledgehammers.
- betacmag4u, on 12/08/2007, -2/+4The solution to this is simple start using Waste or Freenet.
- arplayer2k, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2Just use an Indian web host. Cheap and I am pretty sure they dont give a crap.
- gmillerd, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3they dont even have illegal data, so why bother with encryption? they are just being pressured and harassed into complying.
- Murdats, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3non of these sites host anything illegal, none of these sites do anything illegal, under almost every law in almost every country.
to make them illegal would require banning certain protocols which are used for lots of legal things or ban listing copyright material.
the second would however mean that google would have to hand scour its indexes to remove any reference to anything that may be copyright. you could however only selectivley enforce these laws, but that would be quite legal and would leave room for massive amounts of abbuse. - elvisB, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3Protect net neutrality! That is the real target.
- Breepee, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3Haha, have you? I've never ever seen mac apps anywhere in any store.
STFU - PueSi, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2BTjunkie is the best, it has a lot more files indexed than mininova. People should really give it a try.
- fkr3, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3lol @ big rusty bucket of *****. I'm pretty sure that's going to be the funniest thing I read today.
- tempusrob, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2Search "legaltorrents" on TPB. Most if it isn't very compelling, but ... it's legal.
- Bobbler, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2You heard of Google, right?
Just search - legal torrents
It took me less time than its taken to write this message to find the sites below
http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/ - Movies
http://www.legittorrents.info/torrents.php - Mixture of stuff
http://bt.etree.org/ - Torrent Friendly Music Artists - Velnich, on 12/08/2007, -1/+3You're a douche nozzle.
- mu0p, on 12/08/2007, -3/+4that is quite un-piratelike.
- piwy, on 12/08/2007, -1/+2I was gonna post a long reply to you explaining that under dutch law these sites are not doing anything bad as long as they are not sharing the files themselves. But then i got lost trying to comprehend you stupid comment and decided it was not worth the wasted time.
- piwy, on 12/08/2007, -1/+2Yes i did. But as i stated before, there are some apps that either i a) can't afford, or b) don't use often enough to justify the buy.
- gmillerd, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1TorrentSpy sucked when it added all that ad spam
- carpespasm, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1check out the hydra project and contribute if you're able.
- Tenoq, on 12/08/2007, -1/+2No, I'm a sheep and you can speak for me.
- Iandefor, on 12/09/2007, -0/+1You'll want to strip the final period from the URL: http://www.mininova.org/user/LegalTorrents
When I first clicked on it, I was mostly amused to find that there were no torrents found. - Chandon, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1That'll start being a good idea once bandwidth goes up by another order of magnitude. For now, bandwidth efficiency isn't something that's really worth trading for other properties in a P2P system.
- dmightx, on 09/21/2008, -0/+1Thanks guys!
- junkalam, on 12/08/2007, -0/+1meh worst comes to worst ill just go back to the good old /ctcp days
- BlaenkDenum, on 12/09/2007, -0/+1I agree, although I don't mind TPB, I think it's greatly overrated. People think they're bad asses for not going down when in fact they're actually just protected by their country's law. And ignorants thing that sites like Demonoid are pussies for bailing out. TPB would have quit ages ago if they weren't protected by law.
- wush, on 12/08/2007, -1/+2Are you suggesting that we encrypt the megahertz then RAM the ROM?
- spudnic, on 12/08/2007, -2/+3Obvious troll is obvious
- ZzizZ, on 12/08/2007, -5/+5Looks like TorrentSpy's already caved-in. Don't these people realize that shutting down existing file-sharing systems only hastens the production of BETTER, more efficient ones to replace them? Morons, all morons.
- lysdexia, on 12/08/2007, -2/+2I don't know why they dugg you down, Actorboy - because your comment was hilarious. And very helpful!
- warriorscot, on 12/08/2007, -2/+2Perhaps, but their is also the fact that allot of people feel hard done by over allot of entertainment it simply costs to much and there are allot of people that can't afford to pay what they charge. This is what so many americans like to call the free market in action, as has been proven by several new projects allot more people are willing to pay to get fairly priced, easy to obtain and DRM free media. Instead of targeting the symptoms these companies and trolls like you should perhaps spend more time trying to solve the problem with the industry and not lambast the victims of it, you would think you had never read the story of robin hood.
- Pixelante, on 12/08/2007, -5/+5There's a simple enough solution to this. TPB only has to pay someone to get rid of this Tim Kuik. I don't mean getting a pro hitman, that would be too expensive, just get some disgruntled derka-derka immigrant who is pissed off at the world because he can't force she-cats to wear burqas, and tell him this Tim Kuik named his toilet seat "Mohammed". He'll go and do a Theo Van Gogh on him. The Dutch authorities won't do ***** for fear the derka-derkas will bomb the country into the toilet. Problem solved.
- actorboy, on 12/08/2007, -3/+2Yeah, I own a Mac. There are plenty of stores that carry Mac apps. Here's a good one to start: http://www.amazon.com/
- Murdats, on 12/08/2007, -4/+3*sigh*
I shall take some effort to maybe make you realise why what you propose is stupid.
P2P isnt illegal, file sharing isnt illegal, im sure you have downloading something before, technically viewing a page like digg is downloading a file.
now lets see the numerous ways for people to share legal or illegal files
Bit torrent
all other various P2P programs
Http
ftp
irc
email
usenet
IM
direct access via VPN, VNC or remote desktop
now of all of those, it would be easy for people to make a new program or protocol to use those methods, or their own system
if you had a basic knowledge of networking you would realise this, and dont you think that the MAFIAA would have already done it.
also dont forget that bittorrent is impossible to reliably restrict (it is if its left on default settings)
as far as oink replacements, those who care, know, and would prefer it not to be common knowledge so to try and prevent the MAFIAA and noobs finding out about it. -
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