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- doctechnical, on 10/02/2008, -4/+76It must be a really awful movie if he can't even give it away.
- WaveyRavey, on 10/02/2008, -5/+56When Michael Moore released his latest movie, Slacker Uprising, he made it clear that not only would the movie be completely free, but he also wanted everyone to “email it, burn it, and share it with anyone and everyone”. However, there was one rule - this generous offer from Moore would only apply to people living in the United States and Canada.
As we reported earlier, the decision to use BitTorrent for facilitating distribution of the movie made a bit of a mockery of the limitations of Moore’s offer, since using The Pirate Bay’s tracker sent the movie worldwide. So, even for a completely free movie, it seemed inevitable that the legal profession would get involved at some point, it was just a question of time.
It didn’t take long. In a letter dated September 25th, lawyers representing Westside Productions LLC, owner of the Slacker Uprising copyright sprang into action, demanding the removal of a torrent linking to the movie. However, they managed to make a novice error. Instead of contacting the host of the torrent site in question, the Swedish-hosted BTJunkie, they actually sent the US copyright takedown request (email & fedex) to their DNS provider, easyDNS.
easyDNS are based in Canada and, just like BTJunkie in Sweden, are not subject to the laws of the United States, although most lawyers don’t seem to understand this. Furthermore, since easyDNS aren’t even BTJunkie’s host, they are in no position to do anything about the torrent anyway.
Mark Jeftovic, a co-founder of easyDNS wrote: “But really, come on folks, please tell us that isn’t the basis for this take down request. Anybody with half a clue knows the net doesn’t work like that. In any case, I’ve sent them our standard ‘we’re not the web host, we’re just the lowly DNS service’, but I did point out this seeming contradiction in Michael Moore’s message vs his lawyer’s actions.”
Now that the lawyers managed to get a grasp of the role of a DNS server, they have withdrawn the complaint against easyDNS. They state that the problem is due to the fact that the infringing .torrent was hosted outside of the US and Canada, a situation which for some reason is unacceptable to their client and a ‘problem’ worth spending large sums of money on to remedy. Let’s be clear - no amount of money will solve this issue and it is absolutely absurd to even try.
“I’ve replied that they [the lawyers] should know it is highly impractical to attempt to impose geographical constraints on otherwise freely available files,” said Mark at easyDNS, “but I guess they want to give it a shot.”
Meanwhile, the admin of BTJunkie told us he has not yet received a takedown request.
Mo(o)re money down the drain…. - hmmmok, on 10/02/2008, -3/+49I think Moore baited a hook.
- Richie311, on 10/02/2008, -11/+54Apparently, Moore wanted a go-kart. Seems reasonable.
- judicar, on 10/02/2008, -0/+28Welcome to the Intertubes Mr. Moore, enjoy your stay.
- shawnanigans, on 10/02/2008, -2/+25Seriously, Digg, stop digging people down who asking for help. And worse digging down the guy who offered help.
- trafficlight, on 10/02/2008, -2/+21The meme is already over. It was stillborn.
- homesickalien, on 10/02/2008, -0/+18I downloaded and watched it. Although the message was strong and clips of republicans trying to thwart his efforts are quite humorous, overrall it's pretty boring. I like Moore's movies when he's not in them.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+15Anyone else skeptical about the wisdom of Moore encouraging a bunch of inherent lazy-asses to apply their values in the voting booth?
- bundwallah, on 10/02/2008, -1/+14I dont get it. If its free, why care if its on torrent??
- etnoo, on 10/02/2008, -0/+12Thanks
- Hyst3ria, on 10/02/2008, -0/+11Thank god.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+11Its really not good. I watched about half an hour before I shut it off. Its basically a bunch of hippie college kids listening to Moore tell them to vote for John Kerry. And A LOT of bad musical performances.
2/10. I only gave it better than a 1 because its free - ho0ber, on 10/02/2008, -2/+12Yes, because my admins are idiots and would let us proxy...
Stop throwing links at people like you KNOW it will solve their problem. - Stavrosian, on 10/02/2008, -0/+10It was only free in the US and Canada. Apparently the rest of us aren't cool enough to get presents from a fat, bearded man. December will be so bleak.
- bashfulczar, on 10/02/2008, -0/+9Free underwear and Top Ramen if you don't seed it.
- etnoo, on 10/02/2008, -5/+14At work, can't see. Can someone give me the scoop?
- turion64, on 10/02/2008, -2/+11It's a new Moore documentary which aims at encouraging younger members of the population to vote, mostly college students and the like.
- ThurmanMerman, on 10/02/2008, -0/+9go back to your thread http://digg.com/health/Cannabis_less_harmful_than_ ...
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -2/+11No! Now get back to work!
- CheeseburgerBro, on 10/02/2008, -3/+12This was probably the lamest non-student documentary I have ever seen 33% of. At the 33% mark I was overwhelmed by nausea and boredom and forced to switch it off. And then delete it from my computer. And then wash my hands ten times. And then bathe in a mixture of holy water and battery acid.
And I *still* feel dirty. - judicar, on 10/02/2008, -4/+13That dirty feeling is called "Liberalism" it goes away after a while; eating red meat and littering helps.
- ohcanada1, on 10/02/2008, -15/+23
After Michael Moore encouraged everyone to download his latest movie ‘Slacker Uprising’ for free and do what they like with it, lawyers working for him have sent a takedown requestto a DNS company, for a torrent of the movie to be removed from BTJunkie. The problem? Well, several as it happens.
SlackerWhen Michael Moore released his latest movie, Slacker Uprising, he made it clear that not only would the movie be completely free, but he also wanted everyone to “email it, burn it, and share it with anyone and everyone”. However, there was one rule - this generous offer from Moore would only apply to people living in the United States and Canada.
As we reported earlier, the decision to use BitTorrent for facilitating distribution of the movie made a bit of a mockery of the limitations of Moore’s offer, since using The Pirate Bay’s tracker sent the movie worldwide. So, even for a completely free movie, it seemed inevitable that the legal profession would get involved at some point, it was just a question of time.
It didn’t take long. In a letter dated September 25th, lawyers representing Westside Productions LLC, owner of the Slacker Uprising copyright sprang into action, demanding the removal of a torrent linking to the movie. However, they managed to make a novice error. Instead of contacting the host of the torrent site in question, the Swedish-hosted BTJunkie, they actually sent the US copyright takedown request (email & fedex) to their DNS provider, easyDNS.
easyDNS are based in Canada and, just like BTJunkie in Sweden, are not subject to the laws of the United States, although most lawyers don’t seem to understand this. Furthermore, since easyDNS aren’t even BTJunkie’s host, they are in no position to do anything about the torrent anyway.
Mark Jeftovic, a co-founder of easyDNS wrote: “But really, come on folks, please tell us that isn’t the basis for this take down request. Anybody with half a clue knows the net doesn’t work like that. In any case, I’ve sent them our standard ‘we’re not the web host, we’re just the lowly DNS service’, but I did point out this seeming contradiction in Michael Moore’s message vs his lawyer’s actions.”
Now that the lawyers managed to get a grasp of the role of a DNS server, they have withdrawn the complaint against easyDNS. They state that the problem is due to the fact that the infringing .torrent was hosted outside of the US and Canada, a situation which for some reason is unacceptable to their client and a ‘problem’ worth spending large sums of money on to remedy. Let’s be clear - no amount of money will solve this issue and it is absolutely absurd to even try.
“I’ve replied that they [the lawyers] should know it is highly impractical to attempt to impose geographical constraints on otherwise freely available files,” said Mark at easyDNS, “but I guess they want to give it a shot.”
Meanwhile, the admin of BTJunkie told us he has not yet received a takedown request.
Mo(o)re money down the drain…. - inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+8Well, at least the lawyers are probably not going to get anywhere with this.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -2/+10Then he ate it.
- syndustry, on 10/02/2008, -0/+8not that this has anything to do with michael moore...or voting...or bit-torrent...or anything even peripherally relevant....but if you stop smoking pot for a while....and then you start again...it's going to seem stronger.
also the fact that you "have" a psychiatrist indicates that you may be on medication...which could interact with pot since...hmm pot is a drug as is psychiatric medication. - freezerburn666, on 10/02/2008, -0/+8i think you're still trippin man :P
- PurpleD423, on 10/02/2008, -0/+8What does that have to do with anything? The story is about the download of Moore's new movie on BitTorrent sites outside the US. Drink a cup of coffee before you Digg bro.
- arjie, on 10/02/2008, -1/+8F! The channel after E!
- blacklilyninja, on 10/02/2008, -0/+7this is called advertising. lawyers are the new TV
- JROXZ, on 10/02/2008, -1/+7Did the Co. expect sales for the movie in other countries? Who the F! would buy it?
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6What a bunch of retards!
- TheSkunkMonkey, on 10/02/2008, -1/+7"My psychiatrist told me this is increasingly common as weed is now dripping with THC."
*cough* ***** *cough*
Does your psychiatrist have a degree in botany as well? He's parroting the same misinformation and propaganda you say your beginning to understand.
I suspect you have mental health issues that existed before your horrible bong load experience and it allowed them to surface. So in a way, the marijuana has benefited you because now you are seeing a psychiatrist and getting the health care and treatment you need. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6Except its really boring, it made me want to vote less. I don't know, I have never really agreed that much with Mr. Moore's point of view and subtle less-than-honest implications, but his documentaries are usually masterfully crafted. This seemed almost half baked editing wise, which was a critical thing to get right being the subject was not really that self-supporting in the interest department. The musical acts thrown in did not really accomplish the intended effect for me, they served as more of just disruptions of what little flow the work had. Its quite strange that this, possibly his worst documentary, came after Sicko, which was pretty much the best IMO.
I hate to say it since this has been some of the best news to the pirate movement lately, someone giving away their movie on TPB, but overall, Its plain to see this was given away because it was unsellable. - emazur, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6I'm no liberal but I enjoy Moore's movies, but this one was really boring. Watched it for 20 mins, it's nothing but him making uninteresting speeches to audiences and throwing out underwear and ramen. I skipped to like 3/4 of the end and he was doing the same thing, so I stopped the player and deleted the file.
- bedouin, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5What's up with his new 'style?' I liked the Roger and Me days when he looked like an average joe, not some sort of metrosexual chubby guy.
- Winston84, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5How the f*ck did those insanely idiotic lawyers even make it to law-school ?
Can you believe they actually make a living being so unbelievably brain-dead .. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/02/2008, -4/+9It's pretty boring...
And inaccurate...
I was at the Cincinnati rally in 2004 when REM showed up and to be honest most people here are idiots. They were waving Bush Cheney signs, chanting, cursing, and yelling anti Moore slogans at the stage. I blame the folks over here as those responsible for Ohio going Bush in 2004. - kalvinb, on 10/02/2008, -1/+6Allow low quality free copy to be distributed without restrictions.
Sell high quality DVD.
Not hard. Set the video format to 320x240 for the free version and go after anyone distributing a higher resolution version since obviously it's pirated. And if someone upscales the free version and redistributes it as a higher resolution then let them explain themselves to your legal team.
Unless he was expecting to make money in foreign countries it doesn't make much sense to worry about foreign people distributing it.
And if he wanted to make money, see above. - esfisher, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5That's why the punishment for downloading it illegally is that you have to watch it.
- R3VOLV3R, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5LMAO.. yeah totally, this guy takes the cake for the biggest lightweight that ever existed. It sounds much more like a drug interaction, like syndustry said. Or, it could be that he's just totally full of *****. C'mon, "Incredibly dangerous"? Oh no, it's the reefer madness setting in!!! Woooooooooa [insert crazy murdering spree here].. LOL, whatever. :`)
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5funny part is the film sucked ass, lot of ***** from 4 years ago, who gives a ***** about that now...
- wafflesomd, on 10/02/2008, -2/+7That wasn't marijuana you smoked...
- Oronar, on 10/02/2008, -2/+6I bet this was just to get it more attention.
- theadvinci, on 10/02/2008, -1/+5Moore is even more an idiot than Bush and McCain combined. A paparazzi who doesn't like he's picture taken. A journalist who doesn't give interviews. All of his movies suck. Fact(s)!
- Smaulz, on 10/02/2008, -1/+5pfft... pussy.
- Meccabilly, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Bwahaha!
Regardless whether Michael Moore gives a ***** about the legal stuff, his representative lawyers are onto a loser her.
A lot of people decide not to pirate for moral reasons or for fear of being caught. These are not really going to work for a free film now are they. This is a pointless effort on thier part and I pity them for wasting their time on this.
To reiterate: ***** lawyers - Skywise, on 10/02/2008, -2/+6Michael Moore is a poser.
- DMDekoth, on 10/02/2008, -3/+7Problem is it's RIGHT above this comment thread and we only need a single wall of text.
- Ratekin, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Watching the movie, it seems like a love letter of moore's failure from the last election. Moore had a tour of college towns in the days before the 2004 election. it has a good message, but you know it has a unhappy ending.
This seems stupid that a movie about free speech that is given out for free,but only to those in North america. Moore should use this film as a message of free speech to the whole world. -
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