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- airwalkery2k, on 12/03/2008, -5/+917Finally I can just download that plasma television.
- HallenbeckJoe, on 12/03/2008, -14/+500This is stupid, because it will support the MPAA/RIAA claims that filesharers would BUY everything they download!
- oneredeye, on 12/03/2008, -25/+430There are no pirates on the amazon. It's a rain forest!
- Morghin, on 12/02/2008, -37/+367Haha. Fantastic. This'll rile them up like hell.
- guiltyblade, on 12/03/2008, -10/+301Great just make it more apparent you are stealing stuff.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -18/+236 Something something something ARRRRRRRRRR
- cptmichael101st, on 12/03/2008, -5/+200Nope. I was all, "Give me your ***** money, give me your ***** money" and it was like, "Your order is not complete until you click the Confirm button" so i did and it charged my credit card.
I think the joke was on me. - airwalkery2k, on 12/03/2008, -3/+192The checkout page didn't respond to your threats and pointed gun?
- slippin84, on 12/03/2008, -76/+250I know this will be buried....but this isn't "free" copies. It is stealing. There are no if's and's or but's about it.
I hear it already: "If they made better music we'd buy it!"...why make better music when it's just going to get pirated online anyway?
"If it wasn't so expensive we would buy it!"...god forbid they have to pay the talented developers that made the product and have to recoup those costs somehow
Screw you for taking the easy way out and not buying what you want...instead our "I want it now and I don't care what it takes" culture is making things like this plugin that makes it easier to steal popular. - cptmichael101st, on 12/03/2008, -1/+168I tried to rob amazon.com once.
it was a little more difficult than i thought. - grungemusic3001, on 12/03/2008, -1/+150They navigate their way down the Amazon River use greasemonkey scripts as guides.
- Matt2k, on 12/03/2008, -8/+153"This artistic project addresses the topic of current media distribution models vs. current culture and technical possibilities"
Do people who write things like this actually believe themselves.
Okay fine, how does this artistic project "address the topic of media distribution models" pitted against (?) current culture (and) technical possibilities. Not only does the sentence not make any sense, but deep in my heart I feel the authors had to know this line was filled to the brim with absolute *****. - quomen, on 12/03/2008, -2/+143Why is this fantastic? Amazon has been on the consumer's side in the DRM battle. They were the first to sell V0 mp3s without DRM. And now we want to take business from them? Amazon is one of the good guys, lets not try to ***** them over.. I consistantly purchase items from them because they offer some of the best prices on the internet and also some of the best customer service. It's number one for a reason.
- rhysboy84, on 12/03/2008, -24/+154I bet the Arrrrrrrr IAA aren't too happy about this
- fiverock2, on 12/03/2008, -1/+122I tried to rob that place too, but it's impossible. I threw a brick through the window and the place disappeared.
Next morning I realized my monitor was somehow busted, had to order a new one, from Amazon of course. - inactive, on 12/03/2008, -7/+125Title misled me. I got my hopes up thinking there was some kind of glitch that would allow me to buy real things on Amazon for free. I was checking things off my Christmas list. :(
- dafragsta, on 12/03/2008, -5/+91Yeah, this is lame. I'm not saying I don't have a bunch of pirated *****, but I don't take pride in the actual act of pirating so much that I'd be able to guilt-free click an embedded link on Amazon that went to Pirate Bay. I've bought 90% of the movies I own on DVD, at least half of my PC games, and I spent $1K of my own money on Kore2/Komplete5. I wouldn't ever judge someone for pirating alone, but if you actually use the product, you should buy it.
- JWCrease, on 12/03/2008, -3/+71I don't like this, they're getting too arrogant. This is when napster went down, too many stupid people used it too much.
- inactive, on 12/03/2008, -1/+68Maybe they want to check out Amazon for recommendations of what they should pirate today.
- angusm, on 12/03/2008, -6/+69In a related development, the Pirate Bay has changed its name to Go On We Dare You To Try To Shut Us Down.
This strikes me as just stupid. Anyone trying to make a clear link between downloading and outright theft could hardly ask for better than this. Ultimately, this kind of nose-thumbing nonsense just makes the RIAA/MPAA's case for them, and will lead to the erosion of our rights in areas that matter - not your imaginary "right" to download "The Dark Knight" or the new Britney Spears album without paying a dime to the folks who made it, but things like fair use or our right to buy computers that haven't been crippled in order to please the industry associations.
If this latest stupid little stunt from the Pirate Bay hastens the day when you can't buy a computer that isn't filled from the inside out with performance-killing DRM technology, I say screw them and the horse they rode in on. - greenchip, on 12/03/2008, -4/+64Will pirating be the end of intellectual content? If there is not a cost to distribution, the value must be in the content. But if there is no payment for that value, then there is little reason to generate the content. All we will have are free songs by karaoke quality singers and hobby video games written in Visual Basic. Why would someone want to spend 18 months of their life creating content (e.g. video game) when it generates no income to support their family.
- BuddyChrist, on 12/03/2008, -5/+59wouldn't the type of person who would install this addon be more likely to just visit the pirate bay and search for their media directly?
- talonstriker, on 12/03/2008, -2/+56unless it's the Amazon river.
- inactive, on 12/03/2008, -1/+51YoU wOuLdN'T dOwNLoaD a CaR...
- aeramil, on 12/03/2008, -8/+54As one of the comments on the original story says, the title of the article is ridiculously misleading.. all the app does is give you a search for the product on a torrent site, has nothing to do with amazon's servers at all.
This isn't news.. it's a pretty stupid topic for a news article though. - Metasquares, on 12/03/2008, -10/+50It isn't stealing in the corporeal sense of the word. That doesn't mean it isn't wrong, but you're diluting the value of a group's intellectual labor rather than depriving them of a material good.
- IamSunstorm, on 12/03/2008, -6/+45***** you people for making pirating so easy and accessible to the masses. You're ruining it for everyone.
- Iwantawii, on 12/03/2008, -0/+36Comment is underrated.
- kiiwii, on 12/03/2008, -5/+40Awesome, I can finally get that JL 421 Badonkadonk I've been saving for...
http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruis ... - boomqweeshaa, on 12/03/2008, -1/+36Amazon sells DRM free music. Don't screw this up! We should be supporting legal DRM free music downloads.
- cvesper, on 12/03/2008, -1/+34Yeah! I was just about to print out a new phone!
- jfvegeta, on 12/03/2008, -5/+38Man, I thought I was going to be able to shop a 50" LCDTV for free on Amazon. But alas, this only applies to digital stuff. Title needs to be more specific, but dugg for use of word pirate.
- nesagwa, on 12/03/2008, -5/+38Downloading a copy of a movie and taking barges and cruise ships hostage, killing people and demanding a ransom for their safe return.
Yeah, I can see how the two are similar. - sloncek, on 12/03/2008, -6/+38Can u also link to the open source version of the Iron Man DVD?
- slippin84, on 12/03/2008, -6/+35No denial of property? This is one of the most moronic things I've ever heard...case in point...
I work in IT. I provide a service....I do jobs on the side, and it always irritates me when people don't want to pay what I think my skills are worth. Just because it may not look like I am physically working hard to fix a problem the same way a mechanic would fix your car, it's the exact same thing. You are not paying me for the amount of physical work I do, but the skills I possess...the same goes for musicians and developers. They have a skill you do not. You are denying them money by using their services for free. If you think you should get it for free, learn how to play the guitar, mix it using machines you bought, and then distribute it as YOU see fit. - insomniac8400, on 12/03/2008, -4/+33They must be damn confident of their immunity from laws.
- ParanoydAndroid, on 12/03/2008, -29/+571.) It's not stealing. If it was stealing than downloaders would be charged with theft. Theft has to involve the taking of the item and the depriving its owner of that item. Hence the charges for copyright infringement. Also, numerous studies indicate that pirates (mostly 18 - 24) would not otherwise buy the items they download. So since even the theoretical "theft" depends on there otherwise being a purchase this argument fails.
2.) The actual artists make the vast majority of their money from concerts and tours. In 2004 out of the average sale amount of $13 for a CD, ~$.03 went to the artist.
3.) All it would take to help curb pirating and turn a greater profit would be flexibility in the industry. New models that came out (iTunes store, Hulu.com) have proven successful. I often choose to watch shows on Hulu instead of downloading and worrying about quality, etc ... The adverts help provide a revenue stream that would otherwise not even exist. Think about that for a second, it's not like without hulu and without pirating that same revenue would be made in some other way (like that audience watching the shows on TV at broadcast time) - people who use Hulu often do so because they would otherwise not have been able to watch the show. By providing this service hulu didn't redirect revenue - it _created_ it by knowing and catering to an audience that only had "time shifting" options when it came to watching the show.
The creation of these new revenue models would increase profit for the parent companies, curb pirating, and probably encourage further growth in media distribution technologies (while also providing incentive to improve our national network infrastructure). It's a potential win-win situation that the RIAA and MPAA seem to either refuse to consider, or are unconscionably slow in adopting.
also, Netflix streaming = awesome. - yaosio, on 12/03/2008, -2/+28Me and my cohorts pirated lots of independent band music, they were so angry they stopped making music and got other jobs so they could feed themselves. Some of the jackholes even had children! How selfish can you get?
- IHaveIssues, on 12/03/2008, -1/+27eBook/PDF is not the same as having a paperback in my opinion. I'm not into the whole Kindle thing, I prefer bending some pages.
- peestandingup, on 12/03/2008, -6/+31Nice, but Im not sure I'd trust the plugin to get me the best torrent. We all know it takes a lot of digging around, reading comments, etc to know a good torrent from a bad one.
Well, those of us who are damn dirty pirates know. Yar Har! - theberlindoctor, on 12/03/2008, -2/+26welcome to the "art" world..
- fenderrocker, on 12/03/2008, -17/+40The first rule of fight club...
buried - dargon, on 12/03/2008, -1/+23As a side note, this stunt isn't by TPB, it's some other "enterprising" group, they even say (or so I understand as I'm not going to install the plug-in myself) in their TOS that they are in no way affiliated with TPB. The plug-in could just as easily point at mininova or any of 100 other torrent sites.
- strictnein, on 12/03/2008, -3/+25I don't understand this argument at all. If it's "*****", why bother pirating it?
- wifirewire2, on 12/03/2008, -4/+25i accidentally amazon
- conchur, on 12/03/2008, -1/+22um... pirates will flourish anywhere boats do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a ... - darkism, on 12/03/2008, -4/+23Yea, because human life and a giant corporation's money are equally important.
- badenoughdude, on 12/03/2008, -8/+26It's a firefox plugin. You have to seek it out and install it before it does anything, so anyone who uses this was probably aware of TPB and pirating stuff already. If there was an internet worm installing this on unsuspecting unsecured PCs, then it would be fair to say that this was trying to "take business away from" Amazon. This does nothing but change the way Amazon appears to people who have installed it on their own browsers, just like adblock+ or noscript would.
- OaklandNative, on 12/03/2008, -0/+18Also, Amazon offers digital distribution of non-DRM music. So isn't Amazon already "address[ing] the topic of current media distribution models vs. current culture and technical possibilities."?
- crimson117, on 12/03/2008, -9/+26I wrote this in response to http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7299 , and now I'm writing it to you...
Copyright Infringement is not Stealing.
Copyright Infringement is not Murder.
Copyright Infringement is not Arson.
Copyright Infringement is Copyright Infringement.
Stealing, or Larceny, is "Unlawful taking and carrying away of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of property permanently."
When you make a copy of a music file, that's all you're doing. You're making a copy. You're not stealing anything. It's like printing a second copy of a document. The original document is still entirely intact and in possession of the owner. You just now have a copy yourself. You may not have had legal authority to make that copy, but nothing has been stolen.
You can take a CD from a store without paying for it, and that's obviously shoplifting of the CD, but you still haven't stolen "music" because you haven't deprived anyone of possession of the music itself.
In fact, even if you buy that CD, you still do not own that song; you merely own the media used to record the song. The RIAA would agree - buying a CD does not mean you have bought a song. You have paid for a limited license to perform that song (on your home cd player, for example) for personal use only.
Here are four different scenarios:
There's a music store down the street, and there's a online music store called iTunes. There's an album called "TheAlbum" by an independent artist who owns all his copyrights and produices/distributes all his music on CD's and on his website.
A. You go to the store, purchase a music CD containing "TheAlbum", and take it home with you.
B. You go to the store, shoplift a music CD containing "TheAlbum", and take it home with you.
C. You go online to the artist's website, pay him to let you download music files of "TheAlbum", and burn the album to a blank CD.
D. You go online, download the songs of the album using Kazaa, and burn the album to a blank CD.
Now you listen to that album on your CD player.
In all these situations:
- The independent artist starts out with copies of the music files and the legal authority to distribute those music files, and he ends up with those same music files and legal authority.
- You start out with nothing, and end up with a CD that has music files on it.
They differ in these ways:
- In A and C, you have also obtained legal authority to play those music files for personal use.
- In B and D, you have NOT obtained the legal authority to play those music files for personal use.
- In B, you've additionally taken physical property (a compact disc) without compensating the owner of that physical property.
In B, you have infringed on the artist's exclusive right to copy and distribute the music files. You have also taken retail goods from a store without paying for it. You are guilty of copyright infringement and you are also guilty of larceny.
In D you have infringed on the artist's exclusive right to copy and distribute the music files. You are guilty of copyright infringement (artist is the plaintiff). But you are not guilty of larceny.
As much as AG and the RIAA would like, they can't just take existing criminal acts and redefine them as they please. In A, B, C, D, you are also not guilty of murder, assault, speeding, or arson.
Downloading copyrighted songs without obtaining the copyrightholder's permission is not stealing. -
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