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- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -4/+49Comcast, can kiss my ass.
- Agret, on 10/12/2007, -9/+53Correct article link:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125587,00.asp
STOP LINKING TO YOUR BLOG!! - DarkJedi375, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22That's pretty genius...
I just need to find a not-so-tech savvy neighbor who can help me boost my torrents and won't be able to figure out why all of the sudden he has NO bandwidth. I think I'd like having a dual cable connection. I can digg for stories TWICE as fast...but that's the last thing you all need is two times my opinion. - tidejwe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The major downsides of this project:
#1 The only OS it works with so far is Linux
#2 The only Router it works with is the open-source Linksys wireless router
#3 They make you log into their website in order to download it, and they hint that you actually HAVE TO be logged into their site in order to actively use it (ie all your shared bandwidth goes through them, probably so they can steal it too).
#4 They claim it keeps your privacy but when you try to sign up and download it you get this message: "Your customized software pacakge is currently being generated. This will take several minutes, maybe even 15 or 20. Once the process has completed, a button will appear enabling you to download the PERM software."
If it's supposed to keep our privacy, then why is a specially customized program created for each account that you sign up for on their website? Why do we have to log in through them in order to use the program? How likely is it that both you and your neighbor are using Liniux AND running a special "open-source Linksys wireless router" next to each other? This sounded GREAT until I actually read the details...someone else needs to create something similar in open-source, that will work across varying OS's and use DIFFERENT routers. I mean honestly, why only one router? Why can't it just recognize the network and password instead of having to recognize a specific router?
For having such a brilliant idea, these guys are idiots by ruining it. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9According to the article the setup
"exploits unused bandwidth from one network to complement ones experiencing heavy usage, but always gives users priority access to their own signal."
So your neighbor would only have no bandwidth when he wasn't trying to use it anyways. - unknownsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13to Agret: Engadget is hardly "your blog" it is one of the most reputable tech sites out there. Don't be ridiculous I would rather an engadget summary than pcworld's POS stupid articles.
- beoswulf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Fixed headline
"Share Wifi With Your Neighbor So You Can Both Share a Jail Cell" when his 12 year old downloads "My Humps" off kazaa. - tidejwe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Unfortunately he's right. The TOS only legally permits one computer to use the bandwidth. If you want to use your connection with multiple computers or with a router, etc. you are SUPPOSED to tell them so they can charge you more money. Of course nobody follows the TOS Comcast has...but the installer told me himself that it's technically illegal to have more than one computer using the cable internet unless I pay for more computers. I was shocked, so I called and asked, and they told me I could hook up a second computer for $___ more per month. I laughed and hung up, following which, I hooked up my wireless router and pointed a middle finger in the general direction of their office. HA!
Obviously they never enforce it, and obviously your friend can use it if they visit, etc. Same thing goes for this...if you are going to share it with your neighbor then technically you are violating the TOS and they could take legal action. Legally you are breaking the Terms of Service that you agreed to by allowing any computer but ONE to use the connection. It's ridiculous...but check it out for yourself. Of course as with everyone else I ignore them and run multiple computers on my comcast internet...it'd be IMPOSSIBLE to enforce or moderate right now. - harikaried, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, there seems to be a mutual sharing aspect, so each side needs to provide some bandwidth to get some later. If anything, it'll encourage people to go broadband.
- TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Maybe a stupid question, but about the sharing illegality. If a friend comes over to my house with his laptop, is it illegal for him to use my connection? (and if he uses my laptop?) If a friend is visiting my neighbor's house and while there connects to my wireless is it illegal? And if its my friend's house? What if hes only connecting to my wireless to play on a LAN (with incidental Internet usage)?
I can't imagine the ToS would be so strict as to outlaw friends using your connection on your own computer, so where is the line drawn? - Frinkahedron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's engadget, dumbass.
- tidejwe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Something that would be more news worthy would be for someone to describe to us how to use that new Microsoft virtual NIC program to connect to multiple AP's (access points) at a time.
For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, Microsoft developed a new program available FOR FREE *GASP* that lets you turn your wireless network card into SEVERAL wireless network cards so you can be connected to different AP's at the same time (sometimes a business will have multiple AP's each dealing with different computers or systems). Unfortunately it only let you do it with unsecure AP's last I checked, so it has been rather pointless thus far.
I am wondering if that program can somehow be used to BRIDGE the bandwidth from multiple AP's to use them both, or if it only uses one at a time (like having multiple REAL wifi cards). Anyone tried it, or know how we can manipulate it to SHARE bandwidth/bridge the networks to work on a single node by sharing simulataneously? That is what we REALLY need. - Paul_in_NC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Agret said :"Correct article link: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125587,00.asp STOP LINKING TO YOUR BLOG!!"
I say to Agret "HEY AGRET, ENGADGET IS NOT A BLOG IT IS A TECH NEWS SITE"
Complain, complain, complain. Some individuals seem to live with a chip on their shoulder that they just can't brush off. - lb3ll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2what if someone else is downloading illegal files and gets ip logged and prosecuted abd you were sharing the connection at the time. who would be liable?
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Make sure this isn't against your TOS with your ISP, otherwise you could be in for a big lawsuit or disconnection. Check first!
- aaronlidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd did this with a neighbor until they moved, it worked out pretty well. We both agreed to only connect to each other's anytime from 9am-5pm, and no mass downloading/uploading unless we were sure no one was home or we told each other before hand.
Then again we also let our dogs roam freely between each others yards.. - geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All my "dumbass" neighbours have secure WiFi connections. As I found out when my ISP crashed for a few days and I ended up spending significant hours in the local $tarbuck$ while it was being repaired.
There is a lot more awareness of the issues of unsecured WiFi access, and the user manuals are a lot more user friendly than the one sheeter I got a few years ago which presumed I would know what to do to set it up - and I didn't. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you'll find its against the TOS for just about all ISPs. They don't want people to have access to faster internet without paying for it.
Bastards!!
They don't even want to let you have dial-up internet without charging $$ per minute - http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/28/dial_up_provider_loses_net_access_amid_fee_dispute/ - blackomegax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if you dont mind a 2-11 mbit average to up/download said file storage (54g between houses will never realistically exceed a 24mbit assocation)
- computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2More likely LimeWire.
- geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This sounds very interesting. Where I live, I can pick up a dozen wifi networks in neigbouring flats. Not only does this spread the bandwidth, but it would also (presumably) let people conect to the net at times where their own ISP is having problems with connections. So, not only is this a bandwidth sharing plan - it is a back-up connection in times of trouble
- MikeMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This is something I've been thinking of doing for awhile... but had no idea how to implement it.
- AdamCo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is true. I'd like to read more in depth about this technology though. I wonder if they would restrict it though so that if you had no bandwidth to share then you couldn't use any bandwidth from the other person? From the PCworld article it says, "The software also alerts subscribers if their connection is being misused." I wonder if what you are describing as "back-up" would be flagged as misuse to the software?
In the engadget they take a quote that says "preserve a user's privacy and security, and mitigate the free-riding problem.". The last part especially where it says, "and mitigate the free-riding problem". Both of those quotes lead me to believe that the software MIGHT restrict the access if you had no bandwidth to share. Because that would essentially be, "free-riding". - briangig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This is similar to an idea I've had for a while.
Instead of relying on wirirng every household in, Use wireless, with repeaters at each house, like a daisy chain of wireless networks.
now, the obvious and major problem, is the bandwidth issue, if alot of people are on, it will slow down really quick. You would need software to throttle each user down, depending on network load. Some day in the future I guess. - zaid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1routers carry out "throttling" as you've alled it...if all computers that are connected are using the bandwidth, it shares equally between them, but it only shares bandwidth based on usage, so if there are 4 connected, and two are not using any bandwidth at the moment, the bandwidth only gets halved for each computer using at that same time...
(though theoretically it all works great, bittorrnet sometimes kills the theory...the upload bandwidth (and therefore download bandwidth as well) can be killed if the other peers you're connected to use it all up...) - Frinkahedron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agret and PeeOnYou: I cannot tell if you're both serious or just dumbasses. It's ***** Engadget, not some ***** blog.
- ericmoritz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1why get an extra wifi card and shotgun the the two network interfaces, that'll give you move bandwidth :)
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah, send the payment to my PayPal address please.
- lkenneth6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I dont know exactly how but ... I see an evil plan in the making...
- ollien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Who decides usage allocations? Easy enough if people have open connections, but if there are download limits it relies on the integrity of the individual.
- JimW311, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Last time I checked, our founding fathers committed treason. It's called civil disobediance. Yeah, it maybe "wrong" legally, but if that's what it takes for them to listen to us. Then so be it. Also, about the title. How can you share wifi and surf at the same time, twice as fast?? :) I guess it is implied they be on at different times. HA HA
- hobbla87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Don't hate on it; it's from UIUC so it has to be good!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'm here on a shared 512 Kbps .. we're three neighbours .. and i can tell u my internet is 1/3 of what 512 Kbps should be like. Everybody is downloading torrents here :D
- sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Duh !
This has been around for year as MLPPP. - wharlie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Why bother sharing, do what I do, connect to your dumbass neighbours open access port and leech all the bandwidth you want, and if you want to you can even use their HD as extra storage space for pron and wares.
- harikaried, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0The digg title isn't really accurate especially when considering an apartment complex or any high density housing. There will most likely be more than just 2 people with a wireless connection in the area. Ideally more people leads to even more bandwidth to pull from assuming there's no wireless interference.
- sparty1969, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7Last time I checked Comcast says that its "illegal" to share your broadband connection.
- KamikazeeDriver, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3people who link to their blog, instead of the actual story should be shot.
all agree? - kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Some of you a$$hats need to go look up "illegal".
- jonno, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0My neighbours go wifi but hes a real tightass, anyone know how to find out someones Network Key?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6All ads on this site have been clicked 25 times in rapid succession. Now you gets no money :)
- Moremoe, on 10/12/2007, -19/+10Comcast can kiss my ass.
- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -37/+3Double posted by accident, bury this comment.
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