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- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+122Unfortunately the term "sex offender" is sometimes applied to people that don't exactly deserve it. A 18 year old kid caught screwing his 17 year old girlfriend could be labeled a sex offender in some states. So we really don't need some ***** going around being some kind of vigilante.
- ALLCAPS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+74the most surprising thing about this is that it hasn't happened more often
- etaylor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57It happened to a guy I know. His gf was a b#&$^ and when he broke up with her, she accused him of doing things he didn't do, and because of that, he is now on the sex offender reg. He's a great guy and has been trying to appeal this for years.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+63At first glance i thought it was a sex offender who kills sex offenders...
- wabbiteh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48For background info on this post, see 'klaruz''s post a few pages down.
The murderer did not kill a pedophile. He murdered an unfortunate kid who was labeled a sex offender after _consentual_ sex with his just-under-16 year old girlfriend. In maine, the age of consent (according to the article) is 16. If the guy who was murdered had waited TWO WEEKS longer to have sex, he would still be alive.
Of course, the other man who was killed.. don't know about him. - kloud213, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47my buddy is considered a sex offender because he got caught having legal sex in a parking lot.
- neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+38@headzoo: Amen brother.
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Yeah that's the only problem I see is when it's like a 18-19 year old that is having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. He should not be labeled as a sex offender.That's why it's part of my rules of life, no relationships with girls under 18. Just not no sex, but no relationship at all. You know that police and everyone else always believes the girl...
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -14/+43Someone with kiddie porn on their computer deserves to be killed? Common, it's bad, but not deserving death.
- Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28That's what happened in my county.
"Dads made into sexual predators"
http://my.execpc.com/~buyright/articles/predatoredads.html - robschraer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Part of me wants to say "so some pervs died big deal they had it coming," but the fact is that murder for any reason is just wrong.
- JohnA, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29Stop bringing up "the children". The article mentions nothing of the sort.
The bottom line is that the state provided this individual the tools for him to plan his parade of death, plain and simple. - everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30he shot himself cause he's a coward. if you're gonna take it into your own hands to place 'justice' on these guys, you might as well stay alive to own up for it. ***** pathetic.
- everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27as scum as some of these people might be or have been, they paid their due, and no one has the right to take away their lives. People gotta remember their elementry school teaching, where no two wrongs make a right. Maybe these guys got what was comin to them, but who's to say that they have the right to punish, let alone kill them? the lable of sex offender varies from the perv in the office to uncle molester, so to go around shooting up everyone fitting that board description is not only wrong, but stupid too.
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Despite if you like it or not, they are citizens of this country (and human beings) as much as you and me. I don't agree with their actions, and while sex crimes have the highest retentency (they'll do it again,) this guy can't just go around being judge, jury, and executioner on his own.
- klaruz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_crime
Any of those things can get you in a sex offender registry in many states. Take a look and think about how many really should be considered a 'sex crime'. How much do you want to bet the 24 year old in the article got in trouble a few years back when he was 18 and his 15 year old girlfriend's parents didn't like their relationship? It's screwed up and wrong, and if that is the case, his blood is on the hands of any body that's in favor of those laws.
Ahh here we go, thanks google:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/04/18/sex_crime_disclosure_questioned/
"...2002 conviction for having sex with a minor when he was 19..." and "...had been convicted of having sex with a girlfriend who was two weeks shy of her 16th birthday..."
If you think that poor kid deserved to die, or even be in a sex offender registry, you should be ashamed of yourself. - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Yes, and the people here who are calling for the murder of these sex offenders are assuming that the justice system is perfect. There's no way you could ever know if someone had been wrongfully convicted.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -17/+35Nothing like stripping people of their rights when 'children' are involved in at least a tangential way. Why don't we just tag all criminals with big red tattoos on their foreheads? Oh right, because murderers aren't as worrisome to the nanny state crowd as some guy who peed in public is.
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Aye... I know a guy who is registered because he took a leak at a concert!
- MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Uhh.. the crime was only possible via tech. It seems to me that the implications of technology in real life is somewhat related to technology.
- wjglenn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19The real problem is that these people aren't qualified to make the decision. It's not about whether anybody thinks a pedophile (or anyone else) deserves to die. It's about someone carrying out his own vendetta. You just don't get to kill people because you think they ought to die.That's murder, no matter who the victim is.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16While it sounds really cool, it's just not the way to do it. I think the system is flawed, and for that very reason, the sex offenders may very well be innocent.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You're belief of what and "sex offender" and what the law says aren't in line with each other. For example Iowa Code says a person convicted of any criminal offense against a minor has to register as a sex offender. Say you grab a kid to keep him from running into traffic. The parents complain, BOOM instant sex offender. Something similar happened in Illinois. There are some serious glitches in the system.
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050706/OPINION01/507060334/1035/OPINION - Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17shouldn't you be trying to reduce the demand, if you want to reduce supply? I mean, why do pedophiles prefer children? That's not the _result_ of child porn, it's the _cause._
- Trel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Just note that while a lot of them ARE pedophiles, some of them are either innocent of all charges or perhapse been accused of rape after a round of concensual rough sex. There was some guy why got caught having an innappropriate relations with a manaquin. Guess what, he's a convicted sex criminal and is listed. Does he deserve to die for that?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18The good news is that he shot himself... I agree with the above that the sex offender title is overused and states label people who didn't commit real crimes.
Personally, if I was accused of something I didn't do then I'll be damned if I'm going to register my movements to the state. - carpecerveza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Unfortunately your belief is wrong, timeshifter, at least here in Colorado. A very good friend of mine had to register because he was drunk and peeing in some bushes. Some old lady freaked out, called the cops, and BLAMMO now he's a sex offender.
For all those people defending these guys that he killed, remember the other end of the spectrum. Maybe the guy did his homework and these people were baby rapers. You want them around, registry or not? There are some sick puppies out there and perhaps this guy did the world a favor. Could have been anyone's little sister, daughter, whatever. As for whether or not that gives this one guy the right to take there lives, I don't know, but I do know that there are consequences to every choice I make. Same goes for everyone else. - buddyfarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@ headzero:
this is true. in Michigan if you are caught peeing in public you get fined AND listed on the sex offender registry. - contentpig, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18I live next door to a criminal defense attorney. Talk about some good stories... He says theoretically if the assistent DA had a hard-on for you, you could get yourself convicted and have to register for life as a sex offender for mooning someone. There's some food for thought. But as long as you trust the government you should be glad these "scum" are dead. Sheesh... Maybe we should just be like the tally-banners and stone them to death?
- quasipalm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Sex offenders != rapists.
This is such a common misconception. Only a small % of the people on these lists are rapists or child molesters. Most of them are on there for such things as statutory.
Lastly, what are these people doing out on the street if they are so dangerous? - olegk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14SoccerBoy, sex offenders are not all rapist. There are lots of them who touched women, sometimes accidentally, and got on the sex offenders list. The system is flawed.
But I definitely like the batman style, if only he was brave enough to go for the mafia, and not some lame ass sex offenders. - shimavak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea how GPS works.
I'll make it quite simple for you:
There are these crazy things in the sky called "satellites" which have "atomic clocks" in them. These "satellites" all have their time exactly synchronized to eachother. They send out a psuedo-random signal at a specific time interval, as well as the time, via HF radio.
The reciever knows this and looks for as many of these "satellites" as it can and determines its own time based on the times from the "satellites" and some pretty neat math. It then figures out how delayed the signal was from each "satellite" and calculates the distance to that "satellite" using very simple math. Then it gets REALLY fun, because the little chips get to flex their modern calculation tools and run a 3d trilateration algorithm to figure out where it is on a sphere based on where it knows those "satellites" to be and how far away they are from it.
The end result is that you have an entirely simplex messaging system, with the direction of transmission being FROM the "satellite" TO the reciever. Of course there is some EM noise associated with the calculations and running the data; but, I'm betting that the car would be more than enough of a faraday cage to seal off that minor noise. That and the good ol' 1/r^2 laws ought to seal the deal on any monitoring of that little data. Besides, if they were that close, they'd bloody well know where you ARE! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12A Pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to or has/attempts sex with PRE-PUBESCENT girls or boys.Teenagers do not fit into that category.
- camiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Yes, but once law enforcement took possession of the laptop they looked at his GPS log or whatever and noted that all the waypoints concided with sex offenders in the registry. They didn't say they tracked him while he was on his rampage, they said they traced his movements AFTER THE FACT!
- JohnA, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@shawgo: Were the phone book to show "SEX OFFENDER WHO MUST BE DESTROYED" next to the person's entry, then yes.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13The sex offender registration has gone way too far, and is having a chilling effect in many countries. These examples are both from England. It's odd but in order to prevent be labeled as a sex offender well meaning people are forced into doing nothing.
A man sees a two year old wandering alone and keeps driving because he doesn't want to be accused of kidnapping her. She drowned in a pond.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/main.jhtml?xml=/education/2006/03/23/eddad21.xml&sSheet=/education/2006/03/25/ixteright.html
Childcare professionals refuse to administer first aid without direct parental consent. This includes band-aids (called a 'plaster' in the story).
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA6B7.htm
"Touching a child, even to render medical assistance, has become a potential police matter." -Josie Appleton
It's a ***** up world when neglecting children is the approved course of action. Don't get me wrong I believe in the death penalty for real pedophiles, but the term sex offender has been watered to to be meaningless. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Really, do sex offenders have their names underlined, or is it italicized, in the phone book. I keep forgetting when I'm making my hit list...
- Pentarix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15It's possible he was abused himself and this is how he dealt with it, not saying it's right or that he's not a coward but there's probably a lot more to the story then we know.
- schnibitz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Couple of points: On many of these sites you can get details on exactly what they were convicted of. Reading that list and not feeling some kind of anger is probably quite rare for most. As disgusting as these scum are, vigilantism makes the vigilante no better than the criminal. As stated earlier too, there is no way to clearly know what is in the heart of anyone, regardless of who or what the law says they are.
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"But then again, too bad he didn't bag more them."
You're despicable. While some of the people on that list are horrible people, the majority of the especially vile and deserving of wrath are either incarcerated or haven't been caught. Is it right for a vigilante to kill a 19 year old kid? He used very poor judgement certainly, but would you consider what the kid did morally wrong? - goettel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Many here should consider that the only difference between sex offenders and 'normal people' is restraint. A large part of your psyche is constantly engaged in looking for sexual opportunity, and you have - like everybody has - the capacity for violence and disassociation from a (sexual) victim, given the right personal history and circumstances.
Believing yourself above any human behaviour - including the most extreme - is hypocracy and self-delusion at its worst. Being angry over child rape and other horrible crimes is an understandable emotional response, but being angry doesn't give you the right to act on a violent impulse. By believing that it does, you implicitely agree with a rapist's rationale: having a thought, or emotion, somehow giving you the right to hurt someone.
Something like this was bound to happen. The fact this murderer gets so much popular approval should greatly disturb any rational person. - jholdaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"thing is if your accused you dont need to register its only when your convicted you suppose to register."
Actually more than half of the registered offenders are not convicted. If you get caught doing the dirty deed with yourself at a adult theater, or with a partner at the beach/park/car then most opt to plead away the charges (no jail, no fine) by registering.
And because upstanding citizens with youthly indiscretions are the ones who care if there is a outstanding warrent, they are the ones who keep their addresses updated. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Not true at all dachicken. Please learn something about the prison system before spouting off. Besides, that's just an example. There are lots of other crimes besides murder.
- geoboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8johndi, that is so very true, and so very unfortunate about today's world. There's so much fear surrounding pedophilia and child abductions that it's having negative impacts on society. Not only does it cause parents to act over protective and cause ridiculous laws to be passed, it also creates this terrible stigma. The worst thing that could ever happen to someone in today's society is be labeled a sex offender/child abductor, so some people conciously avoid intervention in situations where a child's life could be in danger in fear that they would be thought of as a child abdutor.
Just last week I had one of the weirdest experiences of my life. My mom and I were driving home and in the distance there was this 2 or 3 year old boy running up the middle of the street. We stopped the car in the middle of the road right next to the little boy and asked him where his mommy was. A car was now slowly approaching in the lane that the boy was standing in. My mom honked the horn at the approaching vehicle and was about to get out of the car to pick up the child when suddenly the approaching car lit up like a christmas tree. It was an unmarked sheriff's vehicle. The whole damn thing seemed like a set up! Like the kid was bait and he was waiting for someone to take just take it!
Well anyway, the officer took over things from there and eventually found the boy's mother. But I wondered what I would have done in that situation had I been alone. Would I just drive by the kid and hope no one runs him over? Do I stop the car, get out, and help the kid? My house was just one block away so I'd probably take him there and call 911. But if I did that, I'd technically be abducting him! Do I wait for someone else to come by and have them take care of the problem instead? What if that person is going to abduct this child?
Look at this state of paranoia that is being created by the media. The number of people who just want to help far outweigh the people with ill intentions, yet we now have to look at everybody - including ourselves - as a potential sexual predator. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yah, you aren't a criminal until you're convicted, that's true. I fail to see where you go off with that point. And a sex offense encompasses a wide range of crimes, not just under age sex. And even in your example, I can guarantee that number isn't 0. Who knows what these two were actually convicted for.
- Rmplstltskn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yup. The village no longer raises the child. And it's a damn shame. It's the same thing with people who are broken down on the side of the road. Cops say not to stop and help. I wouldn't stop and help them anyway, but an otherwise helpful person might be scared into not helping someone.
- sunsetN!nja, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8People going on saying how they applaud the guy aren't looking at the big picture. Sure, you hear pedophile, rapist, etc. and you want to kill them because it feels like they should receive more punishment than they are getting. But when you take the law into your own hands like this, you're in effect saying that there is no law. You're saying that the only justice comes from you and the gun you're holding. Drunk drivers kill people every day because of their negligence. Maybe we should just shoot them too and be congratulated for it? I'm not saying the governments and justice systems of the world are infallible, but if being a vigilante is the only answer, we're all screwed.
- DephexTwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That is what I don't understand about sex offenders. The law is kind of contradictory for these people. From a legal standpoint, are they criminals like any other criminal, or are they mentally ill and incapable of change? If they are normal criminals, then give them their sentence, and after they serve their time, they've paid their debt to society. They should be as free as any other criminal who has completed a sentence (parole, etc.). On the other hand, if they are mentally ill, they should be in a psychiatric institution, and treated there.
The way we handle it now seems to disallow the person from ever moving on and attempting a normal life after getting out of jail. Everyone knows you are a freak and a sex offender, and that you are the scum of the Earth... why try to better yourself with everyone trying to hold you back?
Sure, you can say a sex offender gets what he deserves. Maybe almost nobody would object. But, there is a reason why we have limits to the types of punishments people receive in our legal system. There is a reason why someone who commits a horrible crime isn't just carried out by a mob of people and dealt with as they see fit. There is a reason why you aren't forced to list any misdemeanors or felonies you have committed on the back of your driver's license. And so on. - dachicken, on 10/12/2007, -13/+20well murders usually stay in jail while sex offenders dont
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