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- timmyboywonder, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30Wow finally a good Vista review
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29Finally a review talking about some truly innovative features in Vista. Some things like allowing you to block outbound connections with the built in firewall are greatly overdue, but Vista seems to have a better GUI for networking than OS X or Linux. I am not one to normally praise Microsoft ( see my icon ) but they seem, from this article at least, to have implemented some very nice features.
That said, it doesn't seem to beat *nix with ease of use from an administrators point of view, and I am guessing, although I could be wrong, that Vista will still not have nearly the networking flexibility and power of *nix.
Without seeing the follow up article on it's faults, Vista definitely seems to by far beat OS X and GNU/Linux in Desktop usability with regards to networking - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15you haven't dugg a single article yet you have many comments, a generic name, and the play button from windows media 11 beta as your avatar.
http://digg.com/users/internetworld7/commented - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I have been using RC1 for weeks and haven't run into any DRM issues. I don't use DRM'ed media, so I don't have a problem.
Good luck playing DRM'ed media in Linux if you ever decide that you want to. At least I have the option. Not that I support the idea of DRM, but as long as you're not using the media that's protected by it, how is it ever a problem for you? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Leave internet along. He likes the that specific combination while you others like other combinations, stop being little kids and get over the fact that not everyone has the same likes as you.
@EmperorPsiblade
The [Microosft] Zune has as much DRM as [Apple] iPods and anyone else. Why is it magically worse just because it's Microsoft ? Don't you feel stupid making comments like that ?
@SyDIGG
Um, a product which simply isn't released yet isn't vapourware, moron. Go take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapourware and you can stop embarassing yourself. - JeremyBanks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Zune looks cool, Vista better be good after this long, but WMP is crap.
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Just the security improvements alone are reason enough to upgrade.
- Kelmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The article doesn't mention it so I'm hoping that someone here is running Vista and can answer this question:
Does Vista allow users to easily move between networks with different settings, such as a fixed IP address on one and dynamic on another, and different proxy server settings?
This is one of the biggest reasons why I love OS X on a laptop as I can setup different "Locations", each with their own settings, and change between them easily. In contrast, Windows XP and below has required me to go through to the network settings and change the settings for my ethernet adaptor (remembering to keep a note of my settings for other networks since it can only store one at a time) and then go into the Internet Options to change proxy server settings. Absolute pain in the ass, although I have noted that some laptop manufacturers supply applications to allow these changes (IBM/Levono springs to mind).
Has this changed yet? - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5sorry for the first comment spamming
print version: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9003639 - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Indeed it is worth it and that link above is only scratching the surface. - redxii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Seeing how NT is not based on UNIX (or a pretty GUI plastered on top of UNIX or a UNIX-like, and sold in a box and installable on a very limited set of hardware), probably not.
But you can install Service for UNIX to get NFS support.
Also, I do believe that 2000 and XP have IPv6 support. Neither have it installed by default. - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Are you an idiot? I've dugg over 1700 ***** articles... Submitted 23, three of which got front paged.
All 118 pages of my dugg articles...
http://digg.com/users/leobaby/dugg
My submitted
http://digg.com/users/leobaby/submitted - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Didn't they completely re-write the TCP/IP stack for Vista?
- Vinney, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I like vistas networking setup so far, its not perfect yet, but they've done a good job considering their past (goddamn you work-groups)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Dude you have NO idea! The sheer amount of extra group policy objects for Vista that are configurable through Active Directory are astounding. If you run a windows domain using Active Directory at a business you will LOVE Vista.
The cheap little whiz-bang GUI things you see people tout all the time about Vista don't even scratch the surface. From a sysadmin point of view, Vista will be a god-send. - Shinglor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Is there an article on that page somewhere? All I see is ads.
- KIERANMULLEN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Is it good enough for people to PAY to upgrade from winxp? Are there enough reasons for business users to upgrade?
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Might be worth pirating after all....
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What is it that you can't get working?
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's your own fault. With a little effort, your whole browsing experience would be ad free.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The core security imporvements are worth it. The ability to run the machine usably without hassle as a non-admin is worth it just to start with.
Add in the better display layer, better resource management, readyboost and all the rest of it? Hell yeah. - cogsprocket, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@thelastknowngod
Yeah they built a completely fresh network stack which they really needed to do. Almost guaranteed that they'll have problems with that later, but it's almost an unavoidable obstacle for them. I'm really unsure what to think about Vista at this point. As much as I've said personal-use Linux isn't at a point of real maturity yet, Vista is really a good opportunity for some of these desktop-centric distros to start promoting on a grander scale. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, my laptop runs without needing to reboot, ever. (I hibernate and sleep at times, though.)
- esc27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"n Windows XP, sharing files across a network was not particularly simple to do. There was no single location to go to turn on and off file sharing; view your shared folders and files; and configure how you want files and folders shared."
That may have been true for XP Home's crippled sharing, but in Pro all of that can be viewed and controlled in the computer managment tool, as well as seeing who is conencted and what files are in use. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i found the networking in vista horrible, i used it as a full-on system for 4-5 months. networking was slow
crashed alot
did not auto-connect to deafault ap's
location profiles never worked
there was no list of profiles that you have created - jarinudom, on 03/31/2008, -1/+3As an OS X user, I gotta say the Network Map is pretty neat. I look forward to running Vista in Parallels ^_____^
- turfyman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@lobbster
You realize Vista is not a fully developed product, right?
@mjar81
Don't mark articles inaccurate because you have a different opinion than the author. I thought the article was quite informative, regardless of how I feel about Vista
@leobaby
If you don't like the AeroGlass or the window effects, TURN THEM OFF. Windows has, and probably will always allow users to run it without the flashy graphical user interface. - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Trogdor; having had a chance to use both, I wouldn't say it beats OS X, but it's finally reaching the same "ease of use" level. OS X provides most (if not all) of those same capabilities. Vista still suffers from some of the same networking problems that are common in XP and 2000, but over all, it's an enormous step in the right direction. I was impressed, in particular, by the visual improvements. It will be much easier for even newer users to look through the configuration if need be, and figure things out quickly. It's also a nice change to have everything more centrally located, rather than wh.at felt like randomly scattered in XP and 2000 (and even more so in 98 and older)
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does Vista firewall still let through outgoing MS spyware the way XP's firewall does?
No way will I trust my PC to an MS firewall. I think I'll want my own AV apps as well. MS has proven numerous times that they can't be trusted. - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here's a massive list of changes done to the networking stack in Vista, there's a lot of TCP performance enhancements too:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/network/evaluate/new_network.mspx - badtz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7I don't see what's SO great about it? It is a nice upgrade from XP that's for sure, but that's because XP's network interface is "blah" .... so they are going from "blah" to "not so blah" .....
- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a huge step in the right direction for Windows, that's for sure. I wouldn't really say these things will make me love using it, but some of these features will help me dislike it less. :)
Over all, my biggest complaint so far is that sharing files just hasn't worked properly for me. It may be a simple issue somewhere with my configurations that I haven't caught yet, but I was completely unable to share files, and being able to connect to shares on other computers (Vista or otherwise) was rather sporadic.
As a whole, I'm impressed and pleased to see such vast improvements over what we've had to work with in XP and 2000, but great networking support alone doesn't make an OS great over all. - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Page load times (due to the ads) in digg have sucked bad for about 6 weeks.
I hope digg fixes that before MS fixes vista. - bdbr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't believe they left out one of the major features of the Vista network stack - TCP auto-tuning. Many end users don't realize that when significant latency is added (e.g. between US & Europe), the throughput of TCP connections goes way down - even if they have the bandwidth, the default TCP receive window settings limit them to a couple megabits per second. A vanilla RC1 install gets nearly the same file-transfer throughput even when 200 milliseconds is added in between (I've tested this).
XP had IPv6, but Vista actually uses it some. You can hook Vista systems to a switch with no IP configuration at all, and Windows collaboration works between them.
Getting to the network properties is a lot more annoying than XP, though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6um so let me get this straight, they have gotten rid of all the annoying wizards and needless menus?
oh no wait, they have added even more of them! - biscrage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1vista does indeed have support for different settings on different 'locations'. I haven't taken my vista machine anywhere so I can't comment on how well it works but from my playing around it seems to be exactly what you want.
- RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ha Vista good at connection to the net i find that funny because i cant get it to find the brand new network card im using.
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9I really want to like windows vista. And I probably will.
Things like improved networking and system information & monitoring make me want it when I'm in xp. And I really could go on and on. But its going to take a few utilities I'm sure to make it feel like home for me.
When I use it I feel insulted by how stupid it thinks I am. Besides being cluttered, always in the way, it lacks innovative window management and presentation. Always resizing, moving, losing 'windows everywhere'.
It may be easier for novices, but for me the easy is down right annoying. Maybe there should be a default install for expert / long time users.
The glass and auras everywhere make it have a distinctly non-solid feel to it. Combined with all the simplified clutter. ugh..
And I'm constantly asking what is that tiny little icon... oh its ...
a blue square with my desktop
a blue square with switching windows inside
a blue square with a picture of my sidebar
two blue squares computer screens with a little globe (wireless tray icon)
a blue square computer screen that represents my computer
a blue square screen that means control panel
or was it the blue square network icon - ljuvefreya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Longhorn Server will also allow you to run without the GUI parts. That too is new.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hey Alice? If you can't get networking to work in XP, just go ahead and turn the computer off before you hurt yourself or someone else. Mkay? Thx.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I still don't think it beats OS X in terms of sheer ease of use. Here's one reason:
In Vista, when you come in range of a wireless network, you are required to make some changes first. You have to name that network and then select change the default setting so that it will connect to it automatically the next time you are in range.
In OS X, automatically connecting to the strongest available connection is the default so most times no interaction at all is necessary.
But, the changes they have made are certainly an improvement from XP. - MCMisenar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mancat: multiple gateways via dhcp springs to mind. XP requests it from my dhcp server, but ignores the response
- EmperorPsiblade, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Take a guess...
- timbudtwo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Tomorrows Headline:
"Seven hundred things that makes Vista Suck" - 0x0000ff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2MariusTh + Interweb = oh no
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2this is a good example as what to do in the next linux
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I wonder how many folks who have posted negative comments about Vista, are have spent a few weeks TRYING Vista.
My guess? Maybe 1 out of 100.
The rest is fanboyism. Give it a rest people, a comment about Vista doesn't mean you have to chime in about how Linux is better because "_____" or OS X is better because "____".
There are more comments here arguing about Vista vs Linux vs. OS X than comments about the article. - oneeyedelf1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The network stack may be better but you still will have crazy limitations, in windowsXP home only 4 people can use a shared drive/printer, and XP pro they bump the number up to 8. Its all in the eula, and I get annoyed by stuff like this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1OK, I won't buy Vista either!
I await my mod-down. -
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