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- gubatron2, on 11/04/2009, -1/+100" 4 Nov 04, 2009 at 12:50 by KingKong
How about they just switch off the internet for everyone and be done with it. Perhaps they could then charge people everytime they think about a movie." - TimtheTaxMan, on 11/04/2009, -2/+75I don’t pirate, so I don’t have a personal stake in this. However, it is disturbing how many regulations have been passed on internet activity in the last few years. The internet was once the last, great example of a truly free and open system. I'm afraid that, that era is coming to a close.
- borez, on 11/04/2009, -0/+57So what's the end game in all of this for the entertainment industry? I mean do they really think that if they cut off everyone's access to pirated material that we'll all suddenly go out and buy ***** loads of movies, music etc.
Because if that is the case I'll be buying less because personally I buy music after first hearing it on-line, and all of this "Not available due to copyright" ***** I keep seeing is stopping me hearing new material.
Also, can I just say that as an Artist and copyright holder myself who attends the a2f2a.com debates, 90% of us are against what you're trying to do anyway, so I'll ask again... What the ***** is your endgame? - DryMaltExtract, on 11/04/2009, -1/+49Don't worry guys, due process, actual charges, a proper trial, we don't need these. We can trust the RIAA/MPAA's accusations 100%. "Evidence", these things just get in the way of the war on file sharing.
- esc27, on 11/04/2009, -1/+47You don't have to pirate. All they have to do is accuse you and you are immediately presumed guilty unless you prove otherwise at your own expense. I'm not sure how this "treaty" (as presented by blogs such as TorrentFreak) is even legal. It seems to violate the basic freedoms and rights that define the U.S.
- PhilliesBlunt, on 11/04/2009, -0/+34Isn't the computer industry as a whole MUCH bigger then the entertainment industry? Why are they taking it in the tailpipe for them then?
- Suricou, on 11/04/2009, -0/+34Because the entertainment industry has better lobbyists.
They've been lobbying since before the invention of the transistor. - HonoredMule, on 11/04/2009, -1/+28Don't kid yourself. You don't have to be a pirate to have full stake in this. You only have to care about intellectual freedom and/or freedom of speech, neither of which really exist outside the internet.
- thebreach, on 11/04/2009, -0/+19This seems bad.
But you know what, it will do NOTHING to curb piracy one bit. Because it never has. Did all of RIAA ***** stop music sharing. No. Did MPAA lawsuits stop movie pirates. No. Has anything Sweden's government done stopped the Pirate Bay. Hell no.
This is just like the war on drugs in America to me. Some agency out there saw the change that was already firmly cemented into society, and made it illegal, turning us all into criminals overnight. And then spends countless dollars fighting it, which in the end has had zero effect.
Piracy is a consumer cry to regain control of content that we buy. Thanks to the Internet, we got it back and no longer have to suffer the unending ***** from RIAA and MPAA and similar international agencies, who still seem to think that selling overpriced DVDs and CDs would last until time stopped. It is not our fault you watched the Internet revolution wave goodbye to you, so screw off or find a way to end piracy by giving us something BETTER instead of sueing your customers. - xyllar, on 11/04/2009, -0/+19How could they even expect to enforce this? They would have to cut off access to literally millions of sites who can't afford to police every single piece of user submitted content including sites like YouTube. If people are really willing to stand for something this extreme then the corporate lobbies really will have won.
- sHockz, on 11/04/2009, -0/+17so are the cell phone networks going to disconnect anyone doing anything illegal over their phone lines?
- MrFedUp, on 11/04/2009, -0/+15So if I pirate a movie and get cut off, wouldn't that mean I couldn't buy any music or dvd's from the internet again? and what about all the other retailers on the internet, how do they feel about the movie industry stopping their business?
- NJank, on 11/04/2009, -0/+15or fedex for mail fraud, or Greyhound for drug trafficking, or...
- uberchaoslord, on 11/04/2009, -0/+13I don't pirate stuff either, but having children reaching the age of teen angst (ie I'll download whatever I want because I can and because its free) I don't want a mistake he makes kicking me off the internet. I'll try to make sure he makes the right decision and not do it.
That being said, I think someone should hack into the RIAA/MPAA corporate network and start downloading movies, so their ISPs have to cut them off. - HonoredMule, on 11/04/2009, -0/+13I'm not sure that's true. The overall structure of our various economies tend to model after that of late declining Rome: 80%* entertainment and diversion. The MPAA is America's own Colosseum.
*Yes, that's a fabricated figure, but I bet you still get what I'm saying. - acknotSW, on 11/04/2009, -0/+13"So what's the end game in all of this for the entertainment industry? I mean do they really think that if they cut off everyone's access to pirated material that we'll all suddenly go out and buy ***** loads of movies, music etc. "
No, personally I think this is an attempt to hold off digital downloading as the primary means of content distribution for as long as possible.
The costs of DVD/CD production and distribution are rather high, at least as far as a small content producer is concerned. Often high enough to prevent them from even making an effort to get their product to consumers unless they have outside investors willing to help with the startup costs and initial run.
If consumers become accustomed to buying digital downloads as opposed to going to regular stores, (which often won't even sell DVD's and CD's from small independents) then that opens the door for the smaller studios and labels to compete directly with the big guys. The amount of available content will explode and the cost of all content will drop dramatically which will destroy their current business model; the hits will no longer be able to provide the same profits to cover the flops, and with so many other competitors out there, the hits will be few and far between. - Whirly5, on 11/04/2009, -0/+11This is a sign of the policy driven, government as a business world we live in now. Industry is supposed to meet the demands of consumers not dictate them. I our only hope is to ride this sort of thing out until the current politicians grow old and die and a younger more relevant generation takes office.
How can an international band of whiny politicians and lobbyist's enforce something like this on the public and the ISP's? Can someone explain the ACTA's actual authority? - HonoredMule, on 11/04/2009, -0/+10...and Canada, and the U.K., Spain, France...probably all of the developed world.
- mparker21311, on 11/04/2009, -1/+11No, ***** that! If they do away with a free internet I will go to the streets! The internet is my life damn it! Do not ***** with my life!
- TimtheTaxMan, on 11/04/2009, -0/+9I agree. I don’t think a pirated copy translates into a lost sale on a one-for-one basis. However, there is certainly a percentage that would have bought it, but did not because they were able to pirate it instead.
- Sirocco, on 11/04/2009, -0/+8The entertainment industry is one of the few sectors that actually exports a product (I use that term loosely) in the US. Given the massive trade imbalance, politicians will go to absurd lengths to protect that.
- Stingwolf, on 11/04/2009, -0/+8The problem is, they're going to piss off a lot more legitimate-to-mostly-legitimate users than pure pirates. The people who pirate and never buy anything are in the vast minority. Many studies have shown that people who download stuff illegally also spend more on that same stuff than those who don't. It may sound counter-intuitive, but think of it in the inverse: People who buy the most stuff (i.e. fans) are also interested in expanding their horizons or checking things out before buying, thus, they download more stuff. If you cut off those latter people, you're killing your own devoted market base.
- sexyteenager, on 11/04/2009, -0/+8This is just more blockheaded bull coming from rich idiots that like the way things are and don't want them to change.
- Stingwolf, on 11/04/2009, -0/+8"Can someone explain the ACTA's actual authority?"
Sure, at least for the USA side. The lobbyists for the content cartels, as good as they are, have trouble pushing through some of their most egregious demands (three strikes, ISP liability, etc.), because most politicians know that to be associated with such laws would be career suicide. So, instead of directly writing laws, the cartels get the government to enter into treaties (which have a mush easier path to ratification than laws in the USA).
Once the treaties are in place, they then lobby members of Congress by saying, "In order to comply with our (USA's) international treaties, you need to pass X or Y law." Then, the politician has an out by saying "I -had- to vote for this to comply with the treaty." This way, the cartels get their laws, the politician gets bribe (aka lobbying) money, and the politician gets reelected because he "didn't do anything wrong." It's a win-win for everyone but the people of the USA. - Travelsonic, on 11/04/2009, -0/+8And ppeople who support over the top punishments that are way disproportionate compared to the crime" are dicks too.
- frsrblch, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7I used to buy music, but then they started suing people. Now I just tell them to go ***** themselves.
- borez, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7Sorry, I don't agree with you there mate. I also run a small dance label, and the ONLY thing right now that stops up competing with the big guns is the size of our marketing budget, we're on every major digital distributor through our aggregator, so that's not an issue.
We actually stopped producing CD and vinyl earlier last year, not because of the manufacturing cost, but because nobody buys in this format any more.
And FTR: I have absolutely no problem with people pirating our material, it doesn't effect sales at all, in fact, it free publicity for us. - Fhwqhgads, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7***** the RIAA/MPAA right up their wrinkled old obsolete dinosaur *****.
- neutron7, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7There will be hits as long as there are stupid people who only buy the latest tune they are told to by clearchannel payola.
- Fhwqhgads, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7Their endgame is as follows:
Every single time you listen to, hum or sing any song in whole or in part, view or hear any movie in whole or in part, including rewatching or replaying in your own memory in whole or in part, will be required to pay the MAFIAA, not only you, but anyone else who might have heard you humming or singing. Even psychic mutants or extraterrestrials reading your mind and coming across the memory of the sound or video will be required to pay. Anyone found creating any sound or any kind of visual images will be required to pay an exorbitant protection fee to the MAFIAA, or they will be destroyed. - Chak2007, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6so whens the RIAA and MPAA going to go after google? I mean if they are serious about this and dont want money then why not go after the big man? Most people who pirate and watch movies illegally get their stuff off advanced searches in google. I don't mean typing in a name and searching, I mean having google show them a directory with the files in it to be downloaded. /s
- borez, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6You're probably not far wrong there.
- thejynxed, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6Try looking on Wikileaks.
- crispynoodle, on 11/04/2009, -1/+7Imagine what would happen if they tried to pass a law that said if motorists didnt stop speeding they would be placed under permenent house arrest?
- reaper527, on 11/04/2009, -0/+5great transparency there obama!
- borez, on 11/04/2009, -0/+4@acknotSW: Another possibility that I expect to happen regardless of anything else is the big labels will try and squeeze more money for the "rights" to promote a bands music over the air waves.
This has been happening for years mate... every track you hear on UK radio 1 ( don't know where you're based ) is paid to be there.
Personally: I can't wait for the downfall of the major labels, they've been ripping off their artists for decades. It's interesting that they can't handle it themselves when people i.e. the pirates are playing them at their own game. - jimmsta, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Why does it seem that the ENTERTAINMENT industry gets more and more special GOVERNMENT treatment than any other industry... oh wait, I know, it's all about money. ***** the Media. ***** the government. It's time for a revolution.
- acknotSW, on 11/04/2009, -0/+4True neutron7, but radio is a whole other side to this. There are a couple ways I could see radio going in the next few years.
One possibility would be the mass adoption of of very small music players capable of holding thousands of songs, which we are already seeing, replacing the use of the radio while people drive and work. This might cause radio to become a news/sports medium only before too long.
Another possibility that I expect to happen regardless of anything else is the big labels will try and squeeze more money for the "rights" to promote a bands music over the air waves. This could cause radio stations to turn to other sources of music that would be willing to trade free promotion for the free use of their music.
Any way that this all shakes out, the closed system will come to an end and the labels will lose the ability to shove the latest version of nickleback or Brittney spears down our throats. - gossumx, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Or perhaps they could shove an ice pick into their liver.
- masterstghm, on 11/04/2009, -0/+3Nice non sequitur rant.
- tgc1, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3Or whistle a song.
- gossumx, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3why as nobody asked.... WHY THE ***** IS THIS SECRET?
the only issue this could cause concerning national security is all of the ***** they would catch for even writing it. - demonthises, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3This has been in the works since before the Obama Administration, but it would be really ***** nice if he used some of that Presidential power to open up this monstrosity to the public.
- gossumx, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3Or just assign everyone a day to accuse them of downloading movies. They don't have to actually do it.... just be accused.
- greevar, on 11/04/2009, -0/+3It's really sad how close to the truth that is.
- greevar, on 11/04/2009, -0/+3I second that. GIVE US SOMETHING THAT'S SUPERIOR TO PIRACY!
- greevar, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2"The costs of DVD/CD production and distribution are rather high, at least as far as a small content producer is concerned. Often high enough to prevent them from even making an effort to get their product to consumers unless they have outside investors willing to help with the startup costs and initial run."
What you are hap-hazardly pointing to is perfect competition. Because of the steep cost to enter the market, small operations face a barrier to entry. Moving to the internet as a distribution model opens the market to anyone with the talent to offer a desirable product. The cost of entry is literally the expense maintaining a website and download service. If you give your product away to peer-to-peer networks, your marketing to your consumers by word-of-mouth which has shown to be the best of all marketing. - masterstghm, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2I did read a story about business owners getting in trouble because the RIAA (or a similar group) called them and heard the radio being played in the background.
- Gustomucho, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2Time for Internet 2.0 ?
***** the RIAA, ***** the MPAA, ***** the ACTA, ***** Big brother!
This is infuriating, makes you want to hack/pirate even more. What a bunch of hypocrites.
- vikingscool, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2When internet become net neturality effect, before that I will rebel with that copyright, I don't care if Comcast cut me down, Comcast will be losing money just like Russian Roulette.
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