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- Paktu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+101"Seagate said on Tuesday after the close of regular U.S. trading that its fiscal fourth-quarter net income plunged 98 percent on costs from acquiring rival Maxtor Corp. in May."
Next quarter looks a lot better, since they'll be receiving the $1 billion mail-in rebate for buying Maxtor. - dvdsmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52The hard part was cutting the UPC out of the side of the building ;)
- Paktu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41@OperatorNo9
Let's hope that for Seagate's sake, they didn't try to buy Maxtor on TigerDirect.com - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Whoa now... In 15 years of building PCs, I've never had a Seagate fail on me.
- miles01110, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27they acquired maxtor? Ugh....dilution of quality :-(
- fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24how about we make them more reliable not cheaper.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27and on top of reliable, they ahould give us all of the GB the package says. When a drive is marked for 80/120/250/etc GB, I want all of that space in full damnit.
- gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Well the problem is that the capacity is rated in base-10, not base-16. So a 100GB drive should have 107,374,182,400 bytes, but instead it only has 100,000,000,000 bytes. That makes you lose about 6.8GB, so the capacity is actually only ~93GB. Toss in some overhead from drive formatting, and you've a 90GB drive.
I agree, it is *****. The rest of the world runs on base-16 (hexadecimal), for example RAM manufacturers, so HD manufacturers should have to do the same. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19My Seagates have been pretty darned reliable.
As far as the GB thing goes, there's a point there, but you'll never get the full capacity. I don't see it as a big deal. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I love price wars. Bring it on.
- skoles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"As far as the GB thing goes, there's a point there, but you'll never get the full capacity. I don't see it as a big deal."
Maybe a long time ago when you only lost a few hundred megs out of a couple gigs. But now you're losing upwards of 20-30gb of the size stated on the box.
They should be selling you a drive with the gigs advertised at this point. - blankoboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"Begun these the price wars have..."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14we all know rebates are 50/50.. they'll see half a billion at most
- OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You know what they say about rebates though--don't buy a company based on the rebate price because you may never get it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Cmon no whammies no whammies, 500gb, 500gb, no whammiessssss STOP. :D
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@ MarkByers
actually, me and my CS degree say that I know what a Megabyte is. and yes, while formatting for an OS takes some space, you still lose space before that like gwalbridge said.
however...
@ gwalbridge
Computer memory is actually based off of a base 2 system. 1024 bytes = 1 kb (2^10). 1024 kb = 1 MB (2^20), etc. Hard Drive companies do use base-10, and their system still leads to less disk space because the space of each disk sector is lower than it should be.
"Maybe a long time ago when you only lost a few hundred megs out of a couple gigs. But now you're losing upwards of 20-30gb of the size stated on the box."
This is wrong, your losing more like 4-5 GB before the OS and formatting, but still, hard drive companies should be selling us full capacity. - MikeSD34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I don't care what unit of measure they use, as long as both the hardware manufacturers and the software manufacturers agree to use the SAME FORMAT. Call it mebibytes, call it megabytes, what ever the hell you want, as long as the drive shows on the box, the same thing as it will show in the computer.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Not only is Seagate's hdisks dropping in price, but their Warranty out beats everyone!
Seagate offers a 5 year warranty, which Western Digital and Maxtor only offer a one
year. And even with Western Digital, they shaft you on the year warranty by stating that
since it takes time to get an RMA, and ship it to them, and then they determine what the issue is, then ship it back, they estimated it takes two months.
So this means they shave two months off your 1 year warranty which is utter BS! - deepdish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I remember buying a 1 gig hard from for $4,000.
We couldn't imagine what we would do with 1,000 megs. We thought it would last forever.
We thought we were cutting edge.
Time goes by fast. - dvdsmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I believe fanboydcs was referring to Maxtor quality, not Seagate.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8the reason for the base 2 is because all the data is represented in binary format (0s and 1s) at it's lowest level. one 0 or 1 is one byte of data. Hence the base 2 system.
- lazn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@ gwalbridge "the rest of the world runs on base-16 (hexadecimal),"
Really, so when you see a car advertised for $27K you think that means $27648.00 and when someone writes you a check for $1K they write it for $1024.00?
Perhaps they would agree to sell them in base-16 if we pay them in base-16.. - ferrell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@DoctaStooge,
I agree, but hard drive manufacturers were using the base 10 notation long, LONG before Windows was a twinkle in Bill Gates' fevered brain.
What really gets me that that everyone likes to blame the hard drive companies for a problem that Microsoft has caused!
The people responsible for developing the OS were completely ignorant of the difference between Megabyte and Mebibyte, and the world has been thrown into a tizzy ever since! :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10hahahaahahahahahah that was the funniest comment i've read all day!
- DrSkrud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5They're prepared to drop prices, and I'm prepared to massively consume gigabytes. :D Yum.
/me licks his lips - DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ ferrell
You are right about the GiB and GB thing. In school, I was taught that 1 GB = 2^30 = 1,073,741,824 bytes. I guess that GB became widely regarded because of Microsoft like you said.
But that stuff aside, the Hard Drive companies are making drives a different way than the OS development teams. All that really needs to happen is that the OS makers and hard drive companies need to get on the same page in terms of storage space. - Neilyos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As for price cuts, bring it on, I need a couple of Seagates for my RAID 1 server.
- beta1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have not bought a drive that wasn't Seagate in 5 years and have never had any problems, so cheaper works for me.
- ferrell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+61GB (Gigabyte) = 1,000,000,000 bytes
1GiB (Gibibyte) = 2^30 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes
This information is printed on every retail hard drive box sold today. (and has been for several years)
When you are buying a 300GB drive, you are buying a drive with 300,000,000,000+ bytes capacity.
The problem is not with the hard drive manufacturers, but with Windows displaying the size of the drive in GB, when they really mean GiB. You can always right click and check the properties of the drive to see the number of bytes the drive has available for storage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte - OnlyShawn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6they meant to send in the rebate form, but they lost the receipt.
- anachronaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Whoa now... In 15 years of building PCs, I've never had a Seagate fail on me."
I used to work for a major PC manufacturer, and 10 years ago or so we had an entire line of Seagate drives fail (ST32132A iirc, although it's been a long time). From what I can recall, they literally had a 100% failure rate in our systems after a week of use (if they even lasted that long). As a result, I wouldn't even remotely consider using Seagate for years afterward, but I recently ended up giving them another chance and have had no problems.
It just goes to show that in the fast-paced world of technology, you usually can't hold a grudge forever against the established, long-term players like Seagate. The fierce competition generally tends to self-correct any lingering problems. - gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@DoctaStooge -- You're right, base-2. My bad.
@lazn -- Look dumbass, let's not extrapolate my statement unnecessarily, alright? Clearly we are having a discussion about computer related components, not freakin cars. Sorry to name call, but you made a dumb statement and have clearly come across as an ass. Hence, dumbass. - Toupee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've had Maxtors that stopped in their tracks until I reformatted them and Quantums that apparently aren't able to boot an operating system but hold data perfectly fine. The only hard drive I ever owned that actually totally died on me was a Western Digital.
I've had absolutely perfect luck with all of my Seagates. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The reason for this is to speed up the market so they can get these old drives off the shelves.
- josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have been working on PC's for 10 years, and still haven't found a hard drive brand that has not failed on me at least once. Western Digital being the worst of the bunch. I have had one quantum fail on me, and that's out of 40+ HDDs that I've used over the years. I have had just about the same amount (40+) of Western Digitals crash in the same amount of time. Seagate is a reliable drive as well, but I've had about 8 hard crash on me...
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hot damn, I know i'm ready for some serious price wars! My check book just smiled a little!
- hzmp32001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Our first PC had a 20 MB hard drive and a whole 1 MB or RAM. I think we upgraded to 4MB... Yeah, we were the sh!t :)
- Pookatooka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just bought a 250g seagate from tigerdirect (bad choice). Opened the Seagate package, and there was a Hitachi inside =/
Things like that may be causing income plunges, hehe.
Also, the hardrive came broken... - wush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Seagate rule. I always make sure I get a product with a Seagate drive.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yea, and the funny thing is, I was taught the base 2 system using the base 10 prefixes in a class that was a very basic hardware class.
- tmcdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2if they complain about the lousy margins, why not innovate the products out of the demand chain.. make 250gb as the entry level, and get moving beyond 1 terabyte already.
We could clearly use a 100gb+ microdrive for video media players.. perpendicular recording can certainly do that, and margins are higher on those, you know.. - colol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's still worth a chuckle that Quantum didn't realize how accurately-named their "Fireball" model line would turn out to be. Ah, flaming hard drives, how we miss you. (But they were reliable if they didn't set themselves alight!)
- ElevenisEven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1these price wars rock, i am building a maxed out machine, and the longer they go on with price wars, the meaner the parts i can buy for less...Hooray!!! for the consumer!!
- jesterace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My Quantum fireball died a few years back. It just stopped spinning all of a sudden. I switched to seagate after that and have been buying them ever since.
- mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I Remember buying a 500MB HD. It was the last HD I ever needed, because that's all computers could see at the time!!
- jawadde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i remember upgrading my old Mac SE from 1MB ram to 2MB ram for $500...
- Mach5, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3weird, i JUST bought (10 minutes ago) a seagate 200gb IDE for $79 at best buy (after $50 instant rebate).
- marillion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I gave up trying to get reliable drives from anyone. I buy pairs and mirror. Over the past five years, that's saved my butt more than once.
- Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Project Lightspeed will not support 25mbit up/down.. for the ISP portion it will be limited to 6Mbit period.
Perhaps when they get quashed by the cableco's for their stupidity and they're nearly bankrupt Verizon will step in and show them the light as it were. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like what Samuel Jackson says in that snakes on a plane flash game....
"Bring it on *****! BRING IT ON!" -
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