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- wbrendel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+48I think schools should be allowed to Block access to MySpace from their school's computers, and legally they have that right. However, preventing students from participating in "illegal or inappropriate" activity on their _own_ time could be a violation of their First Amendment rights. If that "inappropriate" activity includes posting messages critical of the school's administration or policies, it would most definitely be a violation of the students' rights. There have been countless cases involving students who have been punished for criticizing their principals on public websites on their own time, and the students always walk away with large settlements and apologies from the school district (unless threats are made, of course).
- DarkZen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30I can agree with the fact that Myspace should be blocked from school access... To be honest it is very easy to keep most students from accessing it, i personally hate myspace and would be happy if it just went away as at least 80-90% of what is on it is utterly pointless. Like the article said "whit the right research" it would be easy to get around some blocks, though "whit the right research" you might also be able to spell and not sound like a moron when you post on-line...
Not to mention the crap you see on the news about the "Myspace Generation" How degrading it must be to be labeled as such. And all the legislation that your talking about wbrendel i don't have much of a problem with in in some cases like with public access, but in the end all of this has to come down to the parent... After all i don't want .gov telling me that my computer security websites are 'inappropriate' as they might encourage someone to make a virus or break into a system that isn't their own. All in all ill be dugg down because of this but im saying it anyway 'Down with myspace" - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17MySpace is anything BUT gay. Gays have real methods of social interaction and hooking up. MySpace is mainly for undersexed straight kids.
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I see what you're saying DarkZen, but for someone to tell you what you're doing outside of school can affect what you're doing inside school is moronic. Things like drug use outside of school affect in-school activity, but my keeping a blog shouldn't have anything to do with school. You know what I mean?
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19You have to remember, for some reason, when you enroll yourself in a school system, even constitutional rights are given up. This is one thing that I've had problems with in the past few years, that I can't speak out without being shutout legally. Constitutional rights apply to all, not just those the government deems should have them, that means teenagers as well.
- tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11That's not hacking.
- tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Ah yes, the infamous ten-year old, "It's gay", comment. Wow, you just lost any credibility of being a rational human-being.
- abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Wikipedia actually blocked my School...
- chandler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This is seriously lame... I hate the 13 years old demographic here. :(
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Then block using regular expressions like I do.
.*proxy.*, .*nph(_|-).*
Weigh the word proxy in your weightedphraselist file to about 80. Outright ban the words "cgi" and "proxy", or "phproxy" from appearing in a page.
Then all you have to worry about is them tunneling VNC out over port 80, but I don't think anyone at the school I work at is smart enough to be doing that, plus we have all our desktops locked down so they can't use floppy disks or USB flash drives, or download ZIPs/EXEs, so I'm not sure how they'd manage to tunnel out or even run vncviewer anyway.
Not all school admins are stupid, but a great many are. Sadly for our students, I'm very good at my job. :) - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think s/he means setup at home. Why would s/he set it up INSIDE the school?
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+6"we can hack into it whit the right research! "
No "hacker" is going to use MySpace.
As the article suggests, they should spend less time trying to find workarounds for MySpace and spend more studying, or learning to spell "with". - kschembri, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Schools admins are stupid.
A) Online Proxy Servers.
B) My school blocked msn.com, but msn.ca was still available. - spadin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That's a good reason for your school to use a firewall. You shouldn't be wasting your school's bandwidth on streaming your iTunes music. You're being selfish.
- blanski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Your school gave you an ibook under certain rules. You break them, they take it away. You complain and cry.
Wah Wah.
You were supposed to learn a couple of useful bits from this experience kid:
1) Don't do the crime if you can't do the time
2) If you're getting free laptops at school you're very well off.
3) Erase the trace.
4) You're spoiled. - adamlazz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sounds like me! I have tried to use so many free proxys, but THEY are blocked, and tagged as 'loophole'.
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I don't think that these writers understand how terribly simple it is to setup and use your own proxy, for anything, not just MySpace. I actually have Apache, PHP4, MySQL, and PHProxy installed on this very computer I'm using right now and I use it JUST for looking at things on Digg that I can't view while I'm at school. How long did it take me to set this up? About 15 minutes. . .
- blanski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4JCP you never stated other people were using your proxy.
@ DarkZen. Why would you care what they do? It's not YOUR computer. They only let you use it to do school work.
Your argument is akin to saying "OMG! They wont give me root in the net cafe! I cant see what processes they are running on the pc im on!" - MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Meh, I just get around the filters by forwarding SSH ports. I wonder when my school will finally gain the intelligence to block PuTTY's site?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Wow thats nothing, my space? damn thats hard core blockage.....
my school has blocked....
1. Myspace...
2. Wikipedia
3. Digg
4. Download of any type of multimedia file
5. any compressed file such as rar, zip etc
6. exe files,
7. any site that contains the word game
BTW, google was blocked last year as well, sux2bus - BlackHatFerret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oi. This just creates a whole mess now sysadmins will call script kiddies who know how to use a proxy "Hackers" come on now. Those aren't hacks its just mods. Half the population on the planet knows how to use a proxy. + This will give hackers a bad name. ***** myspace whores go to hell. I am the proud 1% of people on the planet who doesn't use myspace. Why? maybe it's cause I know HTML, CSS and PHP and can make my own server host my site + can buy my own domain. So once again it comes down to the skript kiddies vs sysadmins. Thank you for giving us hackers a bad name. *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4a proxy is a hack these days? TORpark for the win, although i'd never.. EVER use it to go to myspace...our school actually blocked wikipedia!
- abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"This will give hackers a bad name" and Crackers don't do that already?
- noeljohnhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4cgi-proxy!!
Hhahaha
we know how to protect our selves.
hahaha
is the lack of myspace really reason to need to "protect" - DarkZen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@TheAttacks I Agree with you fully, in fact i had my school try to pull some of that crap on me and all it took to get out of it is cite some of what has happened with schools getting sued, they changed their mind real fast but added me to a "watch list" just because of some stuff i did OUT of school and said about the administration being stupid and proof of this... Either way, schools need to stop trying to figure out ways to kick kids out and start trying to actually teach them something.
- dumbpiney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ok first off:
I think the schools have a right to block myspace. If a teacher uses a school computer for personal stuff they can be fired, so why couldn't a student be kicked out? Too many students think just because they are on a computer using a screen name, no one will find out who they are. I see it all the time with kids I know. They have no clue that anyone can track them down in matter or no time, by IP Address, MAC Address, and so on. If kids want to look at myspace and chat on-line do it on your own free time.
With the school saying that you can get into trouble if you post bad stuff, well I don't, but do agree with that. I know the college I am going to have it when you sign up with the school, and then your name gets put into the paper, for a fight, or drunk driving or something like that, and they say you are a student from this school name, then you make the school look bad and they have the right to kick you out.
During school, students should be doing school work, not playing online.
I will admit during my classes I have my laptop and I do surf the web, but one I am over 21, two I am in college, and three I am using my own computer.
There also been reports of teachers banding laptops from classes and the students try fighting on that case and lost.
Also computers have made our students even more lazy, they don't try to work on their spelling or grammar. I will admit again, I am a bad speller and have bad grammar. I mean just look at the kid's saying. "whit" I mean come on what is that? Also people wonder why the USA is the fattiest country there is, and that%u2019s because our kids are playing on the computer and not playing out side. Soon our society will be nothing but online society.
Kids these days have no social skills. - sclozza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Checking your email may not be the best of ideas. What if the AP operator is not the clueless moron you assume he is and is capturing your session?
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That would solve most of the problems. The problem with school district IT staffs is that they're typically unknowledgable, understaffed, and underfunded. For the types of people that are administering public school district networks, it really is more of a hassle to craft, test, and maintain a consistent firewalling configuration across district sites when you can just install web filtering software and lock out 99% of all offending students.
I really don't mean to come down on anyone that does IT work in a school district. It's just that, after having my first computing gig in a district, and working at a couple others, I really haven't met anyone in any of these positions who is truly technology minded. Most of them are more concerned with meeting budget constraints, so that they don't show up like a sore thumb on the district's financial reports, get their funding slashed, and get fired. This means limit the amount of dedication they can devote to their job in order to cut down on overtime. It also means they limit the amount of money they can throw at good equipment and software to do the kind of things you suggest.
Configuring a properly running network is last on their list for the most part. - blanski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Or if you have a good system admin in charge of blocking stuff. He can simply block stuff based on the content of the packet.
And if they find a way to go around that just look at what they are doing and block it.
Guess what while you're sitting there and typing in the proxy you want to connect to your system admin can look at a log showing him exactly what you're doing. Spending lots on time on some phpproxy site? Lets go and see what it is... ohhh... BLOCK
That said, you will probably find an easy way to get by most fixes. Most system admin's fall into two categories: - They don't have the knowledge to find the way people are getting by the blocks and fixing it
or
- They're far too busy dealing with important ***** than blocking the kids from killing more brain cells. - SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Let me be the first to say:
ORLY? - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, because someone who says "THAT IS SO GAY! .. we can hack into it whit the right research!" knows what VNC is and how to set it up..
Remeber not everyone knows as much about computers as you may, some "easy to setup" things might be extremely difficult for others.. Besides, a lot of networks wont allow VNC (or SSH) traffic out..
- Ben - automagnus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They forgot one method.
You can setup remote desktop on your computer and access it from home using any XP machine or a Remote desktop client. You can also use VNC. To the school's network it's just regular traffic but it's going to your house which provides unfiltered internet access. - ironchief, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I created a master account and use that to run tightvnc and play games. Last year we were able to play quake on any computer. Ah the memories of school LAN parties during study hall. There are so many holes and work arounds in Novell's Zen desktop it really doesn't matter what they do because a group of "us" find another way easily. All of this to look at digg during school too. Sad.
- abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Now, I don't usually point out spelling, but could you please define the following for me:
heres, dont, yer, usin, noffin, ive and comin.
Thanks! - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4my school decided to give macbooks to every student next year.. (this highschool is obsessed with new technology)
should be fun.. they're also doing away with old-fashioned whiteboards and replacing them with a "smart-board" which is some kind of electronic board the teacher uses that every student in the classroom is connected to.. borg technology?
maybe i'll take shoot some photos and submit to digg next year.. it's a $200million renovation - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3google.com (images/translation/video) and google.ca (entire site) are blocked for me.. BUT google.as is not blocked, so i have unfethered access to google for now..
google.as is American Samoa, and is in english. it doesn't really seem to be any different than the commercial (.com) domain.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Screw all that. That's way too hard for your average high schooler. They'd just as soon use www.megaproxy.com. MUCH easier, all the grunt work is already done for them.
- luftrofl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm not sure if this is really news. Students have been trying to get around blocking programs since they came out.
And since MySpace gets blocked, one would assume that they would try to get around it.
I also think the word "hack" implies some sort of knowledge about computers. I think this gives most of the MySpace-goers a bit too much credit :) - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3they need to protect themselves from a possible lack of gossip. that would be devastating.
- mrpackrat42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No offense, but you're fighting a losing battle with content filtering. Even an SSL enabled web proxy will get around that, and people seem to be turning to more robust solutions. A few posts up, there's the guy who uses PuTTY for encrypted tunnels to his home machine. Torpark also uses encrypted connections, and has the advantage of being a dynamic system, so even IP address filtering doesn't work.
The only way a school has a chance of controlling access is to have a "default deny" policy for outgoing connections, and then allow connections only to a specific whitelist of sites. That usually takes a lot of work to get right if you don't want to render the Internet useless to your students, and it's still not completely foolproof. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's funny how there's a new 'generation' every 5 years. Where exactly does one generation end and another begin? I think I fit into about 3 or 4 of them by now...
- hiro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Schools should have the power and ability to block whatever they want. If you want to do something they won't allow, go home and do it
We pay for kids to be educated not to f*ck about on MySpace - BasouKazuma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Myspace is like a drug. Even if walls are put up between kids and their precious myspace, they will find a way around it to get their fix.
- thebman990, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"It can hardly be argued that students or teachers should be expected to shed their constitutional rights... at the schoolhouse gate."
From the Supreme Court majority opinion on Tinker v. Des Moines School district - sclozza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Precisely why I wouldn't do any posting from school, (We have the same surveillance at uni). What I was getting at was if a student posts about his tomfoolery from home.
If he doesn't leave tell-tale signs around school, or identifying evidence on his blog, how is the school finding this stuff? Or is that just how the schools are finding out, careless information leakage (posting name of school, photos of themselves etc.)? - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3same here.. anything with .zip, .exe OR .mp3 is blocked.
but .dmg is not blocked (no danger of viruses? :p) ..i usually use the macs at school - bergur1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3booohooo cry me a river who cares if you cant get to myspace during school hours. just go there after school and answer some ***** quizzes
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3[quote]We pay for kids to be educated not to f*ck about on MySpace[/quote]
I pay to ***** about with kids on MySpace! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3no, because you can search things like penis on it, and it shows images.... geez, the school even blocked the military, because it contained the words gun.... they unblocked it shortly after we found out....
its pathetic really, may as well use chinas internet. - DarkZen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We all know that spelling might not be the highlight of a 'hacker' but we also know that no good hacker will say things like that kid did, a good example would be the huge OMGGGGG or other things like that... It seemed much to juvenile, not to mention having the sound of a script kiddy...which i might add is about 90% of the people ive met in high school. Many claim to be 1337 hax0rz or something like that then when you show them something like Linux or command prompt they have no clue what they are looking at...
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