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- Rickard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+67Yeah, I think John said "dvorak.org/blog".
- cr125er, on 10/12/2007, -8/+59I would be willing to cut off one of my nuts to have him and Patrick back doing The Screen Savers again.
God ***** Damn you G4 for ruining the greatest tech show ever. - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46Let me be far from the first to say, lots of people who listen to TWiT give a f***
- coit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40I always thought the appeal of TWiT was that it was a group of FRIENDS who got together to discuss hot topics in the world of technology.
There's plenty of people out there doing this for money, but it was like evesdropping on friends sitting around enjoying each other's company over a beer.
I would think the draw for Patrick, Leo, Kevin, et al, would be that they can get their weekly plug in for their own, individual projects? Free advertising is always good. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40They ruined the whole channel.
- RacerX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29To me, TWIT is a round table about technology. I do not see it as a replacement for Screensavers, so to me losing Patrick or Dvorak (who is grating most of the time), would not be a loss. If Leo wants to call it something else, fine.
I think if he has Screensaver alumni come on from time to time, that would be fine.
Hey bring in a off the street geek to join the show from week to week. You never know what you may get. - modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I think TWiT really has run it's course. The appeal to the show is the core panel of Leo, Dvorak, Patrick and formerly Kevin Rose. If they can't manage to make time on a regular basis to appear on the show then they should put an end to it. The shows charm is based in the unformal "group of friends" format featuring former personalities from TechTV. If they lose that cast of characters they have, then what sets it apart from any other podcast out there?
I also think the show is really hurt by recording on a Sunday. With the advent of Digg and blogging news travels faster then ever before. So much of the big news of the week happens on Monday or Tuesday, so often they are left discussing topics that have been driven into the ground by Digg, blogs and the rest of the news media in the 6 to 7 days before the TWiT panel gets to it. This really became apparent when the Google/YouTube deal came to bear. They discussed the rumours on Sunday and basically said it would never happen, only to have the deal be announced on Monday. This made the show look foolish as many listeners already knew about the deal by the time they actually had a chance to listen to TWiT on Monday.
I'm a big fan of TWiT, but I definitely have noticed that the people involved have started to come across as disinterested. Either they retool the show with people who can devote their time to it and move it to a weekday recording schedule, or just let it die. - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29Looks like TWiT is a victim of it's own success.
It's panelists have gained from being on TWiT and now feel TWiT (the podcast that gave a big bump to their careers of late) is no longer worth their time... Sad really.
I discovered Digg because of TWiT.
I discovered dl.tv because of TWiT.
I re-discovered Dvorak because of TWiT... - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Well, considering that TWiT and its associated podcasts move 1.5 Terabytes worth of download EVERY SINGLE DAY (according to Cachefly and AOL, who provide the bandwidth), I guess there's a lot of people out there who do give a fcuk.
- sych0, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26dvorak patrick and john? who the hell is john? you already mentioned dvorak
- rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21The "Save TWiT" page makes it look like as if it were a question of money, but it seems to me that the lack of commitment of the panelists that is pissing him off. I am already a contributing member and would gladly pay more if money is what Leo is missing to continue the show, but I guess it's not the case.
Hope Leo is just grumpy today and he is not seriously considering killing the show. To be sincere this caught me a bit by surprise, Leo seemed quite enthusiastic about the future of podcasting/netcasting.
What else would I listen to while commuting? :( - mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I've listened to every one of their first thirty something episodes and then I stopped quite abruptly. To me it all started on that infamous Woz laser episode back in January when Leo asked for public opinion on the episode. When majority of opinions were negative Leo pulled the plug on the public forum and created an alternate paid members only forum. I've talked to some fellow listeners via newsvine chat and many of them were quite disappointed and upset with the change. I myself wasn't a paid member but I was contributing in other ways. I was mirroring the files during the times when akamai servers were cutting off parts of the file and some people were having all sorts of issues downloading files. I donated more than 700GB of bandwidth only to have Leo say something like how mirroring by listeners can cause problem for him because it lowers the listener head count that he can use to go after advertisers. I was only trying to help but I guess Leo didn't see it that way. At the same time this was happening there was an incident where someone who had access to paid only forum cut and pasted a comment by Leo about future of TWiT onto newsvine. What happened next was that Leo used DMCA to take down the newsvine story. Leo repeated talked about how DMCA was a bad law that prevented fair use and was causing harm to innovation. Apparently when DMCA served his own needs it's perfectly fine. To me this was a quite a hypocrisy. Soon after Leo's "explanation" on why he got rid of the public forum was because of load on the server. Two days later public forums returned which meant server load wasn't the issue. Anyway I stopped listening since then and found this other podcast which I won't mention here but it's more entertaining and informative than TWiT ever was.
- DoverGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I would listen to TWiT even if it was only Leo. I think he underestimates how respected he is and feels he needs the others to succeed.
Come on, if that clueless moron David Lawrence can do a weekly show by himself, Leo could do it 100x better!
Like someone said on the TWiT site already, "A TWiT by any means is better than no TWiT at all!" - snorbaard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Update:
Here’s a comment left by Leo himself in the news entry on twit.tv:
It’s not I who want to take a break. I’m here every week ready to record, edit, and post a show. I gladly put in more time on the show than all the other TWiTs put together, but if the other TWiTs decide not to show there’s not much I can do about it.
At this point I have a couple of choices. I could re-cast the show with people who will actually show up, but is it a TWiT without Patrick and John?
Or I could put TWiT to rest and come up with something to replace it. Neither choice is desirable, especially since we have a sponsor who is paying to be on this show in particular, but frankly it’s more than I can handle trying to keep this cast together.
As I said, I’m going to defer a decision until I come back fromt the cruise.
– Leo Laporte, Chief TWiT - kotatsu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17What..! TWIT is my favourite podcast and the first I listen to on my way to work on Mondays.
Leo, don't do it, we need TWIT! - mentalu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15and just so everyone can stop,KEVIN ROSE IS NOT A TWiT.I'm a digg fan all the way,I love kevin's work,but ppl,come on.He hasn't been on twit in a long time.So stop saying "It wouldn't be the same without Dvorak or Kevin".
- mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Leo cannot make other TWiT panel join him for podcast every weekend by force. You realize they actually have lives of their own. Leo isn't their boss and I doubt they would want Leo to be their boss. This is beyond Leo's control and flooding his inbox isn't going to do anything.
- bdk9246, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7the last thing we need is LESS quality media.
it would be a sad loss - Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It's called laziness. Leo pays them $500 for an hour of their time once a week (re: his latest post on the TWiT forums), but they don't care to turn on Skype if it's a nice day out. Funny how folks like Norton and Rose then bitch about not having enough money; it doesn't grow on trees, folks.
- spacecamel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Has Dvorak or Patrick made any comments?
- digitaldd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Jerry Pournelle is a good replacement for Dvorak as chief curmudgeon on TWiT, don't know if he's available as a s replacement though.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I would agree that the same info often gets covered elsewhere but I think that's the nature of having several shows. Combine that with the number of tech podcasts and news is going to get rehashed. OTOH, some people will tune into TWiT and not the other shows. For them, this show is all they really need/want.
I like the format, however. I like Leo sitting down with some industry guru's and commenting on the news of the day, even Dvorak. John brings a wealth of insight even if in a gruff manner but he's an equal opportunity gruff. All in all, TWiT I see as the anchor show in the line of tech podcasts out there. - uslacker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6TWiT is the most entertaining podcast I listen to. It's informative, but more often than not I wind up laughing during the show. It's fun and they're smart. great combination
- Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7They're paid $500 per episode and don't have to do anything other than talk for an hour. They can do it from any place that has a wifi access point.
Bring on fresh guests who want an opportunity to get their names out there (and paid a nice sum in the process!). - plumeria, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I would be sad to see TWiT end here.
- stubadub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Millionaires? I don't think they're hurting for cash but I think that's a steep estimate. I think $500 for an hour from home plus free promotion of their respective sites is a pretty decent deal, especially considering how little revenue is generated by podcasting at this time.
- frankzeg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6As with many things if the participants feel that they have no real commitment to the podcast then it will slowly fade away. I really like TWIT but some of the panelists are enthusiastic and others clearly would prefer to be elsewhere. Leo is a great binding force for the discussion and he should allow those who are tired of doing the show to either disappear entirely or come on the show on an occasional basis. I really think that Jerry Pournelle is a GREAT replacement for a rather argumentative (often gratuitously I think) Dvorak. The last podcast Jerry made some very insightful comments but was shouted down by an unthinking Dvorak- that pissed me off.
I listen to a lot of podcasts including some that might be considered competitors to twit but most are daily news podcasts and don't have the time or the talent to discuss topics much below the superficial. They can be fun but I think Leo and his team have the potential to really illuminate items of interest.
I do think the podcast would benefit from better organization and focus. It is easy to get dirt-roaded with so many people talking. From a listener standpoint we should always be "left wanting more". Sometime things just get over discussed and the entertainment value is nil. Best would be if the topics were agreed-to by everyone and everyone was up to speed on the topic. This might lead to a more to-the-point discussion instead of wasting time on the headline stuff- that I can get off of BuzzOutLoud. - TheRealPod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Leo's KFI show IS TWiT with just Leo.... I thought Leo was paying the other guys now. Why would they quit?
Seems like Leo's speed dial would be pretty deep at this point even w/out patrick and john. I hope ZD didn't make them quit. - Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8>>Patrick is busy with his own shows so probably doesn't have any time for TWiT anymore.
Patrick gets $500 per episode of TWiT (Leo stated this himself last night). "No time" excuses are all BS. In this life you either *make time* (I'm sure it's a real pain in the ass to put on a headset and turn on Skype for an hour, right; they don't have to do anything other than talk!) or you sit on your ass eating Doritos and watching NASCAR. There's always time in the day. They just don't care.
Hopefully Leo finds fresh guests who want the opportunity to get their names out there (and make some easy bucks in the process!); as long as Leo's at the helm, TWiT will survive. - KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8people are blowing this out of proportion IMO
- jon26l, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7They should get rid of Patrick Norton. He's such a tool!
TWIT would be SO much better without him doing those stupid voices and endless heavy breathing... - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You know as long as leo is there it doesn't really matter. I think that was proven the time he wasn't there for one of the podcasts, and it just....wasn't as good. Leo can get whoever. I'd still listen.
- charlescheese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think Leo could replace Dvorak with Will Wheaton. He has been suffering from low traffic to his site, and he could sure use the publicity. Plus, he's entertaining and smart, without the old curmudgeon schtick that Dvorak has going on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i would say will already is pretty much a regular
- Matrix_Prime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The show has ceased being anything that encourages a weekly listening. This is coming from someone who was a huge fan of the podcast when it first started. Nothing lasts forever.
- jasondefaoite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah I also like Will. Should be a regular.
- saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"At this point I have a couple of choices. I could re-cast the show with people who will actually show up, but is it a TWiT without Patrick and John?"
Yes... yes it would. Keeping the panel fresh with different points of view is what makes a show great. It'd be nice to see it go the way that NPR Science Friday does where the topics are current and poignant and the guests are ever changing. Leo could just be the Ira Phlato. - leomyhero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8They need to re-energize and re-group, AND lose Jerry Pournelle...what a bore! The last few episodes have been a drag to get through and often the show gets derailed and Leo has to bring everybody in. It doesn't help that the TWiT members are so inconsistent with their attendance either.
I think the show needs more listener participation. Remember when they responded to emails? To me, that was the appeal of The Screen Savers. They would get a caller on the line or take time to solve a problem posed by a user's email and it made for a great show.
Hang in there Leo, and tell Kevin Rose and Patrick Norton to get back to work! Neither are that busy and they both owe a lot to TWiT for their existence as many have already noted. - tmibiker2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Proud Member of the TWiT army
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Leo admitted on one of his blogs that the show was on life support.
- subindie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was a big fan of these guys on TechTV and listened to TWiT for about 6 months... but eventually I just got sick of how disorganized the shows were. They constantly talk over each other, not everyone is up to speed on the issues, and they'll ramble on and on over a single topic. After hearing Molly Wood guest host a few times I tried out BuzzOutLoud, am now a daily listener, and haven't listened to TWiT since. Sorry guys, but the format needs a change. Good luck with your new endeavors.
- sleepwalkers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well said. I've listened to TWiT, but I can't say I've particularly grown attached to it, and it's not my favorite tech podcast in the least bit.
I do have to say, though, and I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I like Patrick Norton as a host over Leo (not necissarily for TWiT). His wit and that little bit of sarcastic humor makes him seem much more like a levelheaded reasonable guy than Leo ever has to me. - modish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3maybe Kevin Rose should think about helping out. TWiT was how I learned about Digg and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So I really think Kevin Rose owes the show that much.
- modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I like Will Harris when he's on, but really dislike Jerry Purnelle because he slows down the flow of the show. He's got that slow drawl that seems to stick out like a sore thumb when listening to the show. I always dislike when Alex Lindsay is on. Leo likes him a lot, as he appears on Call For Help frequently, but I find him about as entertaining as watching paint dry.
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree. The Save Twit page is very misleading as it makes it seem that they're considering stopping the "netcast" because of money, when I don't believe that's the case. If you're a longtime listener, you know that it's an issue of getting everyone together, not money.
- flipside3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Patrick and Dvorak don't have to be in every episode of TWiT. Both of them have their own projects, which I'm sure is beginning to burn them out a bit. Leo can draw from quite a large group if he just opens himself up to the idea. Not only can he pull in old TechTV members, but he could also bring in any of the others involved in the twit.tv network.
Why not have the hosts from the other shows on to mention what's happening on their podcasts (netcasts)? Patrick, Dvorak, and Kevin are all great but I get plenty of them on their own shows. Leo just needs a group of friends to chat about tech news... that's it. Showcase his "network" a bit, and entertain us. - mytea, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Let me be the first to digg you down.. oh wait.. lots of people have already.. if you don't care, why post?
TWiT is the best.. - ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Um, it's not about money f00lz.
- amandaw33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I found digg through twit as well, fwiw
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Whatever Leo decides will be fine with me. He's the only reason I listen to podcasts because he is entertaining. I think the TWiT podcasts need a little more structure, however. Too much crosstalk, and too much time on certain subjects. The show should move a little faster and the panel guests should get equal time to respond.
JCD feels as if he has to comment on every issue, blocking out other potential viewpoints. Leo needs to voice the topic, then ask a different person for his/her first thoughts. -
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