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gigaom.com — Lunatic proposals involving governments regulating Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and then forcing them to disconnect users suspected of performing illegal downloads are gaining traction in the United Kingdom, France and Australia.
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- ThePirateParty, on 03/21/2008, -8/+58***** that *****!
- hakz, on 03/21/2008, -1/+6read it again, this time all the way to the end
- ThePirateParty, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Ok??
- FTLJohnson, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Quote FTA:
"... I hope the music industry is listening. I agree that illegal downloads are hurting your business. "
Oh, this guy is sort of a moron who hasn't really done his homework then... Downloads boost the numbers of Album / Music / Product sales. Illegal CD sales hurt the business (marginally)... but that's not illegal downloads now, is it?
- ThePirateParty, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Ok??
- darkvad0r, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3The author forgot the mandatory sarcasm tags, maybe that's why you didn't get the point ( http://digg.com/tech_news/Save_Music_m_Disconnect_ ... )
- Snooper1989, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3This would end up with nobody on the internet...
- jabberwolf, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1The rest of the article is sarcastic but the intro is not. I'm still curious what Brits are trying to get this through?!
They are starting to to this in japan yet not sure how they can tell with encrypted torrents, but even with the sarcasm its not far off.
I really wish someone would create handshake keys with those seeding torrents and then have the stream (along with the handshake) pick from a random 100 or so ports to travel through plus the default to broadcast. Now THAT would be a killer torrent software that would really piss off the RIAA !
- hakz, on 03/21/2008, -1/+6read it again, this time all the way to the end
- FeelThePain, on 03/21/2008, -33/+2They should do it, permanently. The more hippie nuts that do it, the less that are on the Internet.
Also, don't reply telling me I should do it too, you hippie porn-mongers.- cygnus2112, on 03/21/2008, -0/+8Hippie porn-mongers are people, too!
- Kurlumbenus, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Lame troll. F----- would not buy again.
- mk2cav, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2LOL this guys never had a positive digg on any of his responses to DIGG articles
- douch3mom, on 03/21/2008, -2/+8lame to the max
- Venturestein, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1word.
- cygnus2112, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Bogus, dude.
- Venturestein, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1word.
- remakeru, on 03/21/2008, -1/+11They only find the bad solutions that will never work for both sides! ***** Lunatic, ***** RIAA, ***** them!
- sruphil, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Wow, getting put on the "No-Bits" list would suck. Just imagine that you had no more internet access.
- smotpoker1, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2that would cause a net war that would ruin internet completely.We would end up watching all music buildings getting firebombed and whatnot.Don't worry to much more about the us gov that bastard bush and his greedy ***** cronies will be in jail soon.
- airburst, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Change your nick if your going to post such idiotic nonsense. You are doing a disservice to pot smokers everywhere.
- sk11, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1They can take our land, but they will never take our internets!!
- smotpoker1, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2that would cause a net war that would ruin internet completely.We would end up watching all music buildings getting firebombed and whatnot.Don't worry to much more about the us gov that bastard bush and his greedy ***** cronies will be in jail soon.
- Fihiro, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3harsh dude
- Beanseh, on 03/21/2008, -2/+4***** arse hole banning people from every isp is steep
- chandan333, on 03/21/2008, -0/+38"Music industry executives need to revolutionize their businesses models to embrace, not reject, technology."
This line says it all in the article.- MuletTheGreat, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Yes. But simply returning us peasants to a 1970's level of technology that can be easily sustained and patrolled is far cheaper and easier in theory to the dumbasses and old guys sitting in the same chair they sat in during the 1960's, oblivious and unconcerned with our new technologies.
We are their enemy and who the ***** wants to help or co-operate with their enemy when sweet, sweet vengence is so so close. New sales techniques and methods for profit must be proven to be profitable, and must be quick so as to rectify the downhill trend of the music industry.
All this takes time and effort, neither of which are willing to be spared by those willing to destroy our internets.
- MuletTheGreat, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Yes. But simply returning us peasants to a 1970's level of technology that can be easily sustained and patrolled is far cheaper and easier in theory to the dumbasses and old guys sitting in the same chair they sat in during the 1960's, oblivious and unconcerned with our new technologies.
- Soulicro, on 03/21/2008, -1/+7Thats ***** ridiculous.
- 4eloBek, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2This motion will probably ***** up the internet and providers, providers will loose big time. All in all depends on who has deeper pockets for bribes for corrupt politicians and judges.
- Suricou, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Dont be too sure of that... this would hit *all* ISPs hard, but not all ISPs are equal - the communications giants could probably shrug off the costs easily, but the small ISPs - the startups, the one-town services - would be driven out of business. Large ISPs might quite like that situation - they get slightly higher costs and lose a few customers, but that could be offset by the reduced competition and the new customers who have to move ISP after their old one closes down.
- kaffein, on 03/21/2008, -1/+59Stop global warming --- Turn off the sun!
- grumpyrain, on 03/21/2008, -2/+3Oh that is just daft. No-one is suggesting to go that far. Maybe just turn it down a few notches.
- 1randomguyO8, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Meh no good. Then what would I do with my 20gig download limit plan?
- PopcornDave, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Lolcats?
- Sinscriven, on 03/21/2008, -0/+19Considering the growing relevance and importance of the internet in daily existence with work, and interpersonal communication, something like that sounds way too severe.
"So we caught you stealing a RedBull from that 7-11. For your punishment, we shall break your legs. Let's see you use all that newfound energy now, hah-HA!"- DaLukeMan, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Redbull gives you wings
- simondelliott, on 03/21/2008, -4/+2The Idiots are winning !!!!!
we must do somthing- Kurlumbenus, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2You fail at haiku:
No, They are winning!
Yo, ***** the RIAA!
We must do something!
- Kurlumbenus, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2You fail at haiku:
- ZeRux, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2I've heard that Cuba and North Korea don't have problems with illegal music downloads, I just hope that MAFIAA doesn't find out.
- lysdexia, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5If these idiots charged along the lines of allofmp3 there would be no need or desire for theft. Their sales would increase beyond their wildest dreams as the cost of music ownership became a no-brain decision.
Save the world from the morons in charge ~ please?- bdbr, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1allofmp3 was profitable because they didn't pay anyone in the music industry. Even if they had paid, artist would get a fraction of a penny per album. Its an even less sustainable model than the current one.
Allofmp3 was just letting you pay someone else to pirate music for you.- lysdexia, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1You are wrong on many levels, but lets go with the obvious one. A new model for sales doesn't require $10/album income.
If $2/album can't cover costs (recording to pro standards in the digital age is ludicrously cheap), distribution (website and bandwidth) and profit for label (if indeed there is one) and artists then the model needs reworked.
Sadly (!) their will be no spare fat for execs and other leeches in the model. Altogether now....awwwww, bless.
- lysdexia, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1You are wrong on many levels, but lets go with the obvious one. A new model for sales doesn't require $10/album income.
- bdbr, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1allofmp3 was profitable because they didn't pay anyone in the music industry. Even if they had paid, artist would get a fraction of a penny per album. Its an even less sustainable model than the current one.
- bigpeeler, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2That read like one long joke based on a lame analogy that had a moronic punchline. Point taken, but daaaaaamn.
- joanthens, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1what a joke. That's impossible
- CrazyChair, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5All I see are a lot of families being banned from having internet because they leave their wireless routers unsecured. It won't have any effect on people who are tech savvy, they'll just use more private methods and encryption.
- Suricou, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3I see a new use for botnets.
- Juianto, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2Yay for destroying peoples freedom! w000000t.
- mk2cav, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5What will they think of next?
How about this "Stop people listening to illegally downloaded music, disconnect the power supply to there house" - Sitycle, on 03/21/2008, -2/+2This is *****. They need to adapt to change. I have yet to see one artist who is worse off.
- computershack, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2But how better off would they have been if even 1% of illegal downloads turned into sales?
When you see 600 leechers on a torrent for a film, that's £6000 of DVD sales that haven't happened. And don't go telling me that they wouldn't buy it if they couldn't download it when it's top blockbuster titles.
- computershack, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2But how better off would they have been if even 1% of illegal downloads turned into sales?
- sadGuru, on 03/21/2008, -1/+10I will NEVER buy a music medium again (except for blank ones)!!!
- grimward, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3... I see this happen all the time these days, people get pissed off at the big music industries and stops buying music for insane amounts of money.
I hope everybody reasons like you do sadguru, because then these asshats will die quicker. - bigpeeler, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3I LOVE BLANK!! THAY RAWWWKKK GAARGALLrrghharLLghh
- grimward, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3... I see this happen all the time these days, people get pissed off at the big music industries and stops buying music for insane amounts of money.
- MuletTheGreat, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3Pirates generate no revenue, therefore no one but pirates gives a ***** about pirates. We need to become a profitable community for the Governments whom enjoy the taxes from Movies, Music and games (and a lot more) as well as the music retailers, video game stores, publishers, etc...
Or find a new way onto the internets.- DestroyFascism, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Then give us a model we want to use rather than the one from 1940!
- dangermen, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2It's called itunes/amazon/etc. Just because you are alive does not mean you are entitled to music. If a $1/song is too much than maybe it is because you also do not have the disposable income to afford it. Is that anyone else's fault? Believe me, I think RIAA/MPAA are messed up and are out dated. The two organizations need to go but 10 - 28 year olds downloading music 'illegally' are the ones generating most of this hoopla. Yes I acknowledge RIAA and MPAA will always claim piracy is a huge issue but some people who run lime wire and others know exactly what they are doing when they offer up 10,000 songs.
I will say that I have been building my collection for about 16 years and I am around 3500 songs ~ 80% CDs, 95% of those CDs were purchased in my college years while working my ass off. So when I am at a party and see 10K or 20K songs, there is nothing but a pile of pirate ***** going on there. Especially when the person putting it on is younger than I.
- dangermen, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2It's called itunes/amazon/etc. Just because you are alive does not mean you are entitled to music. If a $1/song is too much than maybe it is because you also do not have the disposable income to afford it. Is that anyone else's fault? Believe me, I think RIAA/MPAA are messed up and are out dated. The two organizations need to go but 10 - 28 year olds downloading music 'illegally' are the ones generating most of this hoopla. Yes I acknowledge RIAA and MPAA will always claim piracy is a huge issue but some people who run lime wire and others know exactly what they are doing when they offer up 10,000 songs.
- bdbr, on 03/21/2008, -2/+2Actually studies have shown that pirates buy a LOT of music. Many of us pirate music just to get exposure to it. I've bought about a dozen albums in the past couple of months that I only heard via piracy (they're not RIAA music so they don't get played on the radio).
- dangermen, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1yeah, and I'm sure they buy the 10,000 songs they have floating on their systems too. I give this argument has as much weight as does RIAA/MPAA's arguments that piracy is killing them. Invisible stats from both sides are a farce.
- DestroyFascism, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Then give us a model we want to use rather than the one from 1940!
- upfrontfanatic, on 03/21/2008, -2/+9So the music industry want legislators to force the ISPs to terminate 90% of their contracts.
Somehow I can see ISPs rejecting this.- upfrontfanatic, on 03/21/2008, -2/+3Also. I can see lots of open wifi networks screaming out in terror should this be implemented.
- computershack, on 03/21/2008, -1/+0I don't when the bulk of the ISPs back end links is only there due to the massive amounts of traffic generated by P2P/.torrent.
- buddamus, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2I would by non generic good music
- elbryan108, on 03/21/2008, -2/+8Stop idiots from taking over the world...
Turn off the Neo Cons!!!- airburst, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2What do the Neo-Cons have to do with policy in the UK, France and Australia?
- p8ntslinger676, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2even if they tried to do this, they would fail miserably, there are always loopholes and ways around software, and once there is citywide wifi i will never have to worry again...
MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!- computershack, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1And where are you going to get it from over Wifi if all ISPs block everything apart from port 80?
See? Piracy does make you stupid.- vipertech, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2It's called encrypted tunneling. How do you think people do it within their work organization where everything but port 80 is blocked? What are you going to do? Tell people they can't use encryption and that they have no right to privacy? Fat Chance. Not to mention every major on-line game host would pee in your cheerios.
See? Not knowing what your talking about does make you ignorant.
- vipertech, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2It's called encrypted tunneling. How do you think people do it within their work organization where everything but port 80 is blocked? What are you going to do? Tell people they can't use encryption and that they have no right to privacy? Fat Chance. Not to mention every major on-line game host would pee in your cheerios.
- computershack, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1And where are you going to get it from over Wifi if all ISPs block everything apart from port 80?
- DestroyFascism, on 03/21/2008, -1/+15Friday 13
Hard Drive File Swap at your local mall carpark
Nothing under 10GB
must be OGG, MP3 or FLAC lossless (preferable)
bit rate must be no less than 240kb/s MP3 or equivalent. (Full)
Bring USB drives (HDD in USB case) and a LAN cable (If you can a network switch would be great.)
Win Users: Files must be Virus scanned on transfer, Laptop or battery powered (inverter from car) Tower case.
One or more servers will be provided and everything required for a fast transfer of GB's of data.
Apple, Windows and Linux users welcome.- CanceledCzech, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4I logged in just to say what an awesome idea this is.
(They can never stop us)
- CanceledCzech, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4I logged in just to say what an awesome idea this is.
- baramunchies, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2and germany:
http://digg.com/tech_news/Sony_BMG_Demands_Germany ... - rexprime, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6they do realize we can still share music the old fashion way if they take away the internet...
(hands dvd full of music to friend)- cyranthus, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4yeah i was just thinking that... "pirates always find a way".
cut off the net, and "physical" piracy will skyrocket. leaving the RIAA in even worse shape then they are now.
- cyranthus, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4yeah i was just thinking that... "pirates always find a way".
- smotpoker1, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2***** you riaa
- whataboutdave, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3There is a precedent in the US that the carrier cannot be held accountable for any action taken by users over its network. I doubt American ISPs would risk that protection by doing something like this.
- powerfullogic, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2This won't happen in china!
- shiftless, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Ahaha! I have been downloading free music since the early days of the Internet. From free music modules to free netlabels and free online blogs. Free music is everywhere.
- dbalaski, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Someone should tell them:
The Proverbial floodgates are already open -- stopping the flow is impossible now. - redwallhp, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3That would be like saying: "we think you're a pirate, so we're disconnecting your phone service."
- bdbr, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3The ISPs generally can't be held accountable because you've usually agreed to a terms of service which specifies that you won't use their service to obtain copyrighted works without permission. They're not accountable, you are.
Keep in mind, not having any ISP rules about piracy means its up to the legal system to decide, usually through large penalties. If there were rules for reasonable action from ISPs (say, three notices and then a six-month disconnect), it might eliminate the need for settlements and court cases. What would you rather have, a 6-month disconnect or a $750/song minimum penalty?
Or maybe rate-limit repeat violators to 56kbps. That'd probably cut down on their downloading! - EnigmaStrain, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2honestly why doesn't the industry just follow Reznor's lead. Trent's got it right with his savy business model, mind you he always has been brilliant lol. I'm sad that they are sold out of the Ghosts I - IV $300 deluxe pack though :(.
oh well I have my torrent of it and I'm about to pay for the package just below the $300 one lol.
oops I ramble - cyranthus, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2kind of reminds me of India where long ago (hell? do they still do it?) they would cut off your hands for stealing something... steal music and we'll cut off your internet... this is completely stupid.
- Jbaker4981, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1That is *****! They CANNOT get away with that! If that ever gets off the ground, then expect millions of pissed off people to picket the gates of the supreme court or congress. That just seems more and more like the actions of a totalitarian government trying to control people.
- KillerKellerjr, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Everyone thinks to government needs to regulate everything....BS!! This is a step backwards and we won't stand for it...viva la Piratebay!!! Why don't they just cut off your right and left arms while they are at it....
- craftycorner, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1eBay:
For Sale used pen drive. (LOL)
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