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- tomboy501, on 02/25/2008, -2/+19Nice post Chris. I had thought you were the author for a minute, because I know how you feel on this subject.
This is one time I wish our buries were recorded and there was a page in my profile that I could call up, because right now I'd throw out a whole list of questionable digg posts and shady activity by some of our regular community over the past 6 months.
If I spent a LOT of time picking apart the site and did a lot of research, it wouldn't be that hard to put together a list with links. Yeah, I don't mind naming names. Maybe as a little OCD project we can collaborate on one day, Chris?
For now, I shake my head, bury and move on...occasionally make a comment.
I'm really here for fun...not a crusade. But, it's really discouraging. The SEO crap here, the subtle and the obvious; it does wrinkle the fabric. It's here to stay, though. I always refer to it as Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They are all among us...you know something's not right...but, there's not really much you can do. Bottom line: there's way too much money to be made on digg now. - EnjoyFailure, on 02/25/2008, -1/+14When one of the top 3 diggers, Muhammed Saleem (msaleem), guest posts on Search Engine Land, a major SEO blog, then it's hard to call SEO "shenanigans." He's posting SEO'd digg articles, and you're digging them - A LOT.
Search optimization isn't bad. Irrelevant optimization is bad. A posted article is supposed to benefit the user in some way, not just the site. - WhiteCloud, on 02/25/2008, -0/+11Nothing better than seeing an "anti-seo" article from the PR mastermind behind the "Wal Mart" blog fiasco. Not only did they build the "Walmarting Across America" on a lie, it violated the very WOMMA ethical standards they helped craft. This post is just another attempt to game social media and since it implies that SEO's are evil it is guaranteed to do well.
- sgtpppr, on 02/25/2008, -0/+10Your digging up an article that was written for the exact reason it condemns. The idea is promotion. There are a gazillion web sites out there and you want people to know about yours. It's why it's such a serious business making front page on digg. I think diggers need to start taking a look at the 'top diggers' here. I think you'll find most of them are making money in one way or another promoting sites via social media. Has little to do with SEO and a hell of a lot more to do with the usual mass advertising at low (or no) costs (social media, viral, etc..).
Plus, this is like the most sensationalist title ever. If digg and the rest have decent coders, manipulation can be dealt with. Calling it a 'clear and present' danger like it's some act of war is retarded. - notque, on 02/25/2008, -0/+10The really f'd up thing is when you see professional meeting requests on how to game social media.
I laugh at that stuff, mostly because the presenters don't know anything about social media, but it's a terrible trend.
I've also had people offer me money to get things to the front page. I thought that stuff was a myth, but it's true.
I guess I'm fairly naive, but I care about the things I put for effort on here. - spinchange, on 02/25/2008, -0/+9Ha, ha, Thanks Kelly. I almost thought he was reading my mind, too. (only several months or so late)
I am absolutely here for fun too. I hardly even use the bury button anymore.
I've come to accept or at least tolerate at well-conducted social media campaign - as long as its just that - well conducted.
That means community- or- demographically appropriate content, a non-misleading or sneaky approach to the content's goal, and not abusing friends -or- social media contacts solely for the promotion of content that's only commercial/SEO in nature -- i.e. when it's done well, creatively, or cleverly and only when it's submitted SPARINGLY.
I try to digg as much of my friends content as I can, but with as much as there is and only so much time in the day, SEO spam just jams the tubes. Too much of it hitting digg's homepage dilutes digg's relevance to the users who care about it. Every time I come across some story like some corporate health-care blog that my grandma would be reading, I try to imagine Kevin and Alex sipping beers on diggnation talking about it. That's my "test" Not just whether one of my friends submitted it and others are "falling in line".
All in all it's about quality content, friends, and participation. Just my $.02 - inghamb87, on 02/25/2008, -0/+8I think the author is trying to rank for SEO. For that reason, I think this has to be taken with a pinch of salt.
- dwalker, on 02/25/2008, -0/+4"This represents a clear and present danger to the fabric of the community."
Thats tosh, it just means search engines will need to improve or evolve to better weed out the trash. Maybe the next generation search engine may offer a new way of finding and organising data, IMO google still fails to do this successfully for human consumption. - Railer, on 02/25/2008, -0/+4What's it matter, I've personally pointed out to digg staff and members sites like celsias.com who use fleets of bots to force their page to the front page, only to be dugg down for my troubles. Eventually social networks will be controlled by SEO's and search engines will simply strip them from the algorithms, just like meta tags before them.
- jdh358, on 02/26/2008, -0/+3I think it showed how unbelievably little the author knows about social media. Scary how many people subscribe to that blog. I never did think he had much to say of import. This post once again proves my point.
- notque, on 02/25/2008, -0/+2A lot of the S.E.O. people call themselves out on their profile. I don't add anyone with any mention of S.E.O.
They are often the ones mass shouting random crap. That's another tactic you see often.
10 different users shouting a story that you know no one really feels that passionate about. People shouting issues important to them, or something really funny. understandable.
10 different users shouting 15 ways to eat a grapefruit. Fishy as hell. - rmxz, on 02/25/2008, -0/+2And this is news how?
This is exactly what happened to Usenet - which was a major social media channel back in the day. - tehbeermang, on 02/25/2008, -0/+2I find it amusing that the whole point of the article was to get dugg using the "us v them" tactic to build link juice. I only wish I had thought of it. Good show.
- portos12, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Nice point here.
http://www.highpr.net/ - WNW3, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Awww, buried? I hate it when people don't catch my Super Trooper refs:
Captain O'Hagan: I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says, " Shenanigans."
Mac: Hey Farva what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy ***** on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
Farva: You mean Shenanigans?
Mac: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Thorny: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
[as they hand the Captain their pistols] - donna1234, on 11/30/2008, -0/+1http://www.highpr.net/understanding-SEO.html
http://www.highpr.net/search-engine-criteria.html
http://www.highpr.net/setting-SE-goals.html - Charun, on 02/25/2008, -1/+2what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy ***** on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
- dmoney22, on 02/25/2008, -1/+2Please god not the community fabric! I use that to make my tightey whiteys!
- chaosium, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1"Some respected experts are advocating launching social media marketing programs solely for the purpose of influencing search engines, rather than with the intent of fostering collaboration."
This is absolutely nothing new, though. It's the job of a SEO to exploit engine algorithms. - JosephRatliff, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Could this be an entry point for spammers? Could they actually start to dominate SEO rankings through social marketing? hmmm
- macewan, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1I seriously expected new insight on the subject. Very dissappointing. Where's the unDigg option?
- transparentsea, on 02/25/2008, -1/+1What was that place we used to eat? with all that crap on the walls?
- flemingo, on 10/03/2008, -0/+0Instant traffic on website http://www.xlntseo.com
- sgtpppr, on 02/25/2008, -3/+3Lumping manipulators and black hat SEOs together and then acting like that is a good representation of the SEO industry as a whole is like saying all software programmers are virus writers. Most of digg is a bunch of people who don't even know what they're talking about bitching cause their personal blog gets 10 hits a month and they blame it on popular sites and supposed SEO manipulation of search results.
- tjsocr1, on 03/09/2008, -0/+0Get a free backlink at http://www.lamelime.com without a reciprical! Just post your site under the "Show off my site" catagory!
- bizbaz, on 02/25/2008, -2/+2I'm shocked. Shocked that there's SEO shenanigans going on here. So lets round up the usual suspects! In the whole scheme of things the beauty of "social media" is that it is fundamentally self-policing. Businesses always try to co-opt. That's what they do. If they are successful using "social media" they will be rewarded by being welcomed to the table. If they are obvious "social media plays" they fail. Either way not that big a deal.
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- Eldorian, on 02/25/2008, -3/+2That sounds like some shenanigans right there.
- OwdenBowden, on 02/25/2008, -5/+3If I hear the word "Shenanigans" one more time I will pistol whip someone.
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- WNW3, on 02/25/2008, -10/+5I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says, " Shenanigans."
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