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- pilobilus, on 04/10/2008, -1/+82Dugg because we need to be accurate when we beat down on evil IT corporations. :o)
- TomK88, on 04/10/2008, -6/+60This is Digg. There is no room for rational thought unless it supports somebody's viewpoint.
A week ago there was an article saying how much Windows 7 sucked, despite the fact that it is years away from release.
Digg is ironic. On one hand, most Digg users will tell you that those who follow mainstream media are sheep. The ironic thing is that Digg tends to be much more sheepish than mainstream media. First, if you didn't support Ron Paul you were an idiot. Now, Paul is all but forgotten and Obama is the guy. Microsoft sucks and Apple rocks. Open-source is always better than any closed-source software. Attempting to make money by advertising on the web is greedy, companies should just release content 100% free with no ads.
Digg is a world of extremes, and I don't see it changing anytime soon because everybody seems to love sprouting garbage like:
"We are legionzz!"
"Fed izz stealing our moneyies...gold standard cuz it's a big conspiracy!!1"
etc.
etc. - m4sterofmurd3r, on 04/10/2008, -2/+39Gotta love Ars, true non-biased tech reporting
- staxofmax, on 04/10/2008, -4/+39True-hearted diggers won't let something as silly as rational thought get in the way of their hatred for Comcast.
- PocketWatch, on 04/10/2008, -1/+15Spot on.
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 04/10/2008, -4/+16Digg is made up of inconsistent morons.
- Sogui, on 04/10/2008, -1/+11Kudos to Ars Technica for responsible reporting. And Kudos for Digg for bringing this correction out.
Too bad we only get one submission like this to the front page for the dozens of other "reporting" atrocities that are an insult to reason and reality. - adrianmonk, on 04/10/2008, -0/+9Yes, he cares more than the minimum amount, which is why he could care less than he currently does.
- jimmyjohnston, on 04/10/2008, -2/+10Funny how I have never heard of that being a common problem in the home. Router resources and NAT as service are two different things.
All it sounds to me is that the Colorado PhD students didn't run their test correctly they should have been using a direct connection to the Internet with a public address so that no other device could cause a problem. - theaceoffire, on 04/10/2008, -5/+13As a Comcast user: ***** Comcast.
As a digger, I could care less. - DarkerMaster, on 04/10/2008, -5/+13Its Comcastic!!
You may now proceed to digg me down. - inactive, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6"Rush to Judgment"
welcome to all that is American - AlexanderBlue, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7I find it a bit humorous. The first thing I thought of in reading that "the company wasn't" throttling non-P2P traffic was "have they ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?" Comcast has caused grief for me and our employees due to 1) their so-called "traffic management" interfering with Lotus Notes and other business applications 2) Throttling downloads and longer (and larger) than normal data transfers. 3) Lying about things that I have personally observed while using wire shark and transferring files between our locations 4) Being completely opaque and burning through my time when I tried working with their technical support people.
As a result: 1) Nobody on my IT staff trusts Comcast 2) We've been canceling our home and business lines (thankfully, all of us live in areas with rock-solid alternatives). So perhaps the U of Co was wrong with their charges, but I don't care anymore. Comcast has been telling half-truths and engaging in ridiculous shenanigans (hiring people to stack the audience at the FCC hearing?!) for months. Hell, I've talked to two of their managers that no longer trust their employer because "we know their doing something with [XYZ] traffic, but they won't tell us what".
So maybe they weren't doing anything wrong this time... but I really don't believe them anymore. And I don't care. Let the wolf eat the boy. He deserves it. - Zarokima, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7So you do care?
- Gir53457, on 04/10/2008, -2/+6Bingo. I used to come here for news on new graphics cards and case mods.
- stev31h, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4close!
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4The angry geek internet hordes rush to judgement? No, you don't say!
- adrianmonk, on 04/10/2008, -1/+5On a somewhat related note, whatever idiot invented the NAT router which actively forges RST packets as a way of dealing with its data structure overflowing is a person who needs to be permanently removed from the computer industry. If you can't handle the new connections that the SYN packets represent, just drop the packets, because sometime during the timeout interval (while the TCP connection is being established), space might become available. Then the connection will actually succeed. So, you can get better results with less work by not doing the RST thing.
- Niightwitch, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."
- Oscar Wilde - - sickswaystop, on 04/10/2008, -5/+8since when does digg care about being accurate? or follow-up stories for that matter? I catch stories every week that carry spin and thats why they get popular.
- paradox4190, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6well the way you said it makes us seem like a bunch of hippie-freeloaders
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3Actually, doing the RTS thing is standard in most configurations. I know you can turn it off in Cisco IOS, but it's defaulted to on (if unset) for as long as I can remember. There's nothing wrong with doing things this way...what's wrong is that the researchers involved DIDNT KNOW TO LOOK AT THAT FIRST.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2Why not, instead of complaining endlessly about this sort of thing, do your part in correcting it? Submit objective stories, make objective comments on subjective stories, and try to understand that you are as much a part of the machine that you're complaining about as anyone else here.
- GliTCH82, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2He's right, not every ***** story that makes it on Digg has a followup that clears up that *****, and that applies even to stories that get followups on other news sources.
- TonyLocNE, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4please see:
-http://digg.com/people/East_Texas_Teenager_Attacke ...
-http://digg.com/world_news/East_Texas_Girl_Was_Lyi ... - inactive, on 04/10/2008, -4/+6false news/stories on Digg?
Everyone who is surprised, please, raise your hand.
Digg is the website for one viewpoint and ONE viewpoint only. Hillary "sucks", Obama "rules", McCain is a warmonger and Bush is evil stupid, unless of course it's in planning of 9/11, then he is genius.
Digg is the most biased, one sided website on the web, period. - caleb4mj, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2"a Ron Paul submission got more than 15 thousand diggs, more than any Obama submission."
How many do you think a Jesse Ventura sub will get? ;) - ericthegreat, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Someone on the interweb posted incorrect information? Not possible!
- plasticquart, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Given the fact that internet traffic will continue to increase exponentially for the foreseeable future, I wonder why Comcast won't spend more resources actually increasing their network capacity instead of pissing on their customers.
- blackcloud333, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Okay, there is one. I think I would need a few more examples other than this obvious one to convince me that this happens every week. In other words: Pure *****.
- DarkShroud, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2No, they aren't throttling HTML traffic.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2Comcast doesn't appear to effect regular content, but throttling has occurred elsewhere.
- jzp-digg, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Of course the uni researchers were using residential (or even software) based NAT - how much budget do you think they get for a short-term project?
- jzp-digg, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Real data > hype.
- bioskope, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2HTML Traffic?
- DarkShroud, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1Wrong story.
- DarkShroud, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1Look at the list of bug in Leopard and then tell me it's solid.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4Hard to trust a company that already screws over its customers!
- DarkShroud, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1There is a difference between network management and resetting people's connections by using forged packets. I didn't mind being slowed down a bit, my township is old so not all of the T1 lines have been upgraded to fiber yet. I understood this so I could deal with it. But killing all my traffic with Sandvine is complete garbage. Sandvine screws with everything. I'll be switching to another group soon that will even give me a better deal.
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4I don't see how that quote has anything to do with what I said.
- TheKappa, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Still sucks.
- Rijnzael, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2I still don't understand how their states table could possibly get that full unless they were using residential routing hardware...
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1I did some network engineering for RCN many years ago, and if these days are anything like those, of course they're throttling. Everyone throttles. You have to, especially when you're a network engineer dealing with email spam, p2p traffic, and all these new fangled pwned-video-of-the-day sites. There's nothing inherently wrong with throttling customer traffic---it's ultimately for everyone's benefit. What's wrong is the motivation of some of these companies (read: Comcast), who throttle at least in part by ETHICAL motivation, or at least by having their arms uncomfortably twisted by large media interests.
- GliTCH82, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Use your imagination more.
Imaaaaaaaaaaaaginaaaaaation.... imaaaaaaag - tbom, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3/me used their commercials as a drinking game in the NCAA national championship game on Monday night.
- Suricou, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2Router overload is a common problem for p2p users at home - some of the cheap ones have small translation tables, and p2p can easily fill them. I used to have a router that actually locked up when running ed2k and imesh (Yes, long time ago) together. But it is not a problem for ISPs - they dont have to do stateful connection tracking, and so they have no translation tables to overflow. Their routers should be able to handle as much traffic as their interfaces are able to carry, regardless of what that traffic is.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1Amen
- dagamer34, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1And pay for the expensive stuff? Of course not!
- bullhead2007, on 04/10/2008, -2/+2I hope these students aren't studying to be network engineers. My cousin who's a CCIE would probably laugh his ass off at this.
- caleb4mj, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1Money's an illusion. Today its all about the treasure.
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