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- clintology, on 10/12/2007, -22/+33Too bad the PS3 is an unmitigated failure.
- spr33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Rumour. Take with a pinch of salt.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7...Such as? Blu-Ray won't go above 1080p because *gasp* that's the highest resolution we have for TVs today.
- scratched, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Holographic is still pretty far off off, but I agree with you. Holographic storage is the future. Until then, I think magnetic media will slowly start to catch on. If media companies are smart, they'll start allowing people to download movies and content. It may seem like a lot of bandwidth, but bandwidth is cheaper than physical goods.
Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are just coming out at the wrong time. I predict that the market for the discs will be very short lived. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When HD-DVD players outsell PS3's, then Sony needs to worry a little bit. Until then, whatever.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One of the conditions of the bluRay licensing prohibits making a dual-mode device. Unless BluRay gets beaten soundly, they're not going to deactivate that clause. And currently there are about 5X more BluRay players than HD-DVD.
This is just rumors. Don't expect anyting soon.
What a dumb article, saying Disney "recently" affirmed support for BluRay. That happened before the first players even appeared on the consumer market, something like six months ago. - doktorrocket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"If you buy a dual player you still have to buy movies in one format or another"...
You could always rent the movies instead. Netflix carries both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Buy the hybrid player, watch all the content both formats have to offer, then work on building your library once the dust settles in a year or two.
Or skip buying the discs all together. - xenuxenuts, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"HD-DVD's scratch 1000x easier than blu-ray"
If that's true, then HD-dvds really need to use some sort of protective coating. I did a brief search and found a discussion where most people weren't having any problems, but a few were having horrible problems. Since fanboys and such will be very common on a topic like this, I'd like to see an independent test. I'd like to say that with a toddler, scratches will be a problem, but teens treat discs even worse than a 3 year old does, so durability will be an issue for many families. - ruspecnaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'll take a dozen now!
- steven401, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Blu-ray @ backup device FTW.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@clintology: It's hard to call something a "failure" when it continues to sell out in stores as soon as it arrives. What seems to you to be popular opinion from your extensive reading of Digg is not borne out by people's actual behavior. At what point will you modify your worldview to reflect peoples real-world choices as opposed to what a few say online?
When PS3's start lingering in stores for some time without selling - then perhaps you can start thinking "failure". But that point is not yet here, and from the buying habits of those around me does not seem to be coming.
@rudy23: Of course Tokyo Drift is going to look good, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same resolutions and codec support! Which is exactly why when there are an order of magnitude more Blu-Ray players around, people will not miss HD-DVD support because they'll be happy with Blu-Ray movies.
Because games are starting to be pressed for the PS3 and are all on Blu-Ray discs, it's going to be cheaper and cheaper to produce Blu-Ray discs and more and more movies will arrive with the greater number of studios supporting the format (Sony and Disney being the biggest exclusives). Until now the number of discs between the two formats has been about equal but expect to see that change over the next year. - ssasami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4just use a DvD player. the difference is much less than it should be for the next-gen.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You know you'll end up with an HD-DVD player or a blu-rey player by default Xbox360 or Sony playstation 3
So as far and one player taking out the other. Who cares, it will be a while before any smart person buys a
dedicated player as the prices are too high.
The technical reasons to own one of the other is not as great as it use to be.
Laserdisk VS RCA SelectaVision. Clear winner here SelectaVision sucked!
Both formats killed by dvd.
VHS vs Beta. winner VHS, more time, more hardware suppliers.
VHS being killed by DVD.
Blu-rey VS HD-DVD, give it a year then start debating which one is better all this drama seems
more drummed up by the manufacturers to drive interest in the tech rather than the public actually being
interested in the tech. - iseth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm far more concerned with the rumors of a dual-format/triple-format disc. I think it has a much larger potential to get off the ground, especially if costs can be kept down. (Until Sony figures out a way to make them un-playable in their PS3 and Blu-Ray players)
- Vergeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1VHS is, for the most part, already killed by DVD. Have you tried to purchase a VHS recently? If you can even find them to take them up to the front, store clerks look at you funny.
- iampoch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Blu-Ray is scratch resistant. You're probably talking about the earlier prototypes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Hard-coating_technology
I also read another article, though I forgot the link. I'll try to look it up. Whether one is more scratch resistant than the other, i'm not sure. I haven't encountered a comparison yet. - Krakn3Dfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think either one is going to win a substantial foothold in a market where one 1 out of every 8 houses has an HD capable television.
I suspect in 3-4 years, we will see a new player emerge in the HD player market and at that point people will be more willing to adopt a new standard. Right now you're getting 90% of what either HD standard offers in the standard DVD format, and for most people, that's plenty. People I talk to are way more interested in the HD upscaling technology in newer DVD players to make their current DVD collection look better than upgrading to a completely new format with the prospect of having to replace their current DVDs with yet another format.
I have the XBox 360 HD-DVD addon BTW, which goes to show that for the right price, I'm willing to wet my feet in the Early Adopter Pool, but I honestly don't believe either format currently has an existing market in place to revolutionize home theater, I think both BR and HD-DVD will be more like what Laserdisc was to VHS, a a/v geek's dream upgrade with the hopes of having a few of their favorite movies supported on it at some point. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"It's hard to call something a "failure" when it continues to sell out in stores as soon as it arrives."
The problem with that logic is that they shipped so few of them that there wasn't even enough to satisfy the die hard fans. And most stores are only getting a few in at a time (the CC and BB where I'm at haven't ever gotten in more then 5 at a time), if anything Sony gave the other system fanboys fuel for their fire by botching the launch so badly. While I wouldn't call it a flop yet, Sony better get their ass in gear and start cranking these things out before people get fed up and say screw it. - shelbygt33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pretty sure, since neither format has won and neither format is a slam dunk at this point, that I'd be interested in something like this. But wait, I don't have that kind of money sitting around.
- rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But isn't that why you bought the hybrid in the first place?
- EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"one 1 out of every 8 houses has an HD capable television."
The figure is almost triple that now.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/local/bal-hdtv1218,0,2838727.story?coll=sfla-business-headlines
"Nearly 33 million U.S households, or about 30 percent of the market, are expected to have an HDTV by year end, according to the Consumer Electronics Association." - DaveBG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Blu-ray will win. HD DVD suckers better get a life!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a feeling that bluray will continue to exist as a data storage medium, while HD will becom the preferred movie distribution medium (till we can actually get HD IPTV).
Bluray is hideously more expensive than HD and with far higher tolerances, which in the long run will probably force it into a niche market. If, as bluray apologists keep on harping, bluray's extra storage is NEEDED for upcoming movies etc, why are HD movies looking better even though they have only 60% the capacity? Its not about movies, as a 30gb disk has space to spare for movies, its about sony using the PS3 to push their standard and high licensing fees into as many homes as possible in a hoge money losing attempt to get their format addopted. - crcurran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I bought the HD DVD x360 add-on for $140. add monthly Netflix subscription and you have kick ass HD right now. (in six months I think the PS3 will be a stable platform for getting into HD. Launch consoles are flakey)
We only need one layer of bluray or two layers of HDDVD to give us what we need to experience kick ass HD right now. Bluray backers need to stop putting out mpeg-2 discs but I think we are out of the woods on that.
Go ahead discuss this for another year. I'll buy now because even if Bluray wins early by 2008 my xbox360 addon drive wont *stop* working suddenly. - netferret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well its not as if dvd format is going to disappear, its just the old waiting game until the prices fall.
- stokestack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Not to mention that a hybrid player will perpetuate the problem, not resolve it. In fact, it's the worse thing that could happen to this fiasco.
Opting for something just because it's slightly cheaper to make at the moment (HD-DVD) is, of course, monumentally stupid when you're establishing what is supposed to be a next-generation standard. This entire debacle will most likely result in the end of physical media carriers altogether, since it may not be resolved by the time people are suckered into crap-quality downloads and crap-quality on-demand movies.
That means it'll be yet another step backward in terms of picture quality, symptomatic of an age in which we have HDTVs but nothing but compressed excrement to play on them."
TOO TRUE. - crimsonnblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see why the idea of a dual drive would not be plausible. What we call normal dvd drives now is a multiple disc reader that at first was also a divided set of media. (dvd-r dvd+r.....)
Also, a dual drive would be Ideal for the consumer who wants to invest in HD movies now. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who really cares about BluRay or HD when on-line distribution is the future and hard drives (or some other mass storage device) will be the medium?
- Tapewormz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@whoever "HD-DVD's scratch 1000x easier than blu-ray"
And to that I say BS.
There are grades of media, and high grade media is used when producing commercial dvd's. - EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"HD-DVD simply lacks the backing to win."
I'll believe that when it stops outselling blu-ray discs 2:1 at Amazon: http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ - humperdeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think neither format will thrive. Most people have too much invested in regular DVD's now, and up-converting is usually good enough to get a good picture. Besides, something else will come around that will completely change the 'picture' (pun intended). With memory sticks getting cheaper and broadband getting faster, there WILL be better things ahead. Myself, I am less apt to buy movies now, since I rarely watch more than once, and renting is so easy (Netflix).
- MatTipton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Holy damn, it must be official... Let the holiday themed descriptions begin! The description is almost worse than those commercials that change the words in everyones favorite christmas songs... like instead of "Jingle Bells" they sing "Taco Bells" or something... I find that very lame for some reason. Seriously though what does blueray have to do with christmas... is sony plotting to save christmas?
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1In the mind of most comsumers, it seems like Blu-ray and PS3 are in pretty bad shape, but the format war is certainly far from over.
Unfortunately, we'll see a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Hybrid around the same time we see an Xbox/PS3 Hybrid.
BTW, someone up there has it wrong. Blu-Ray is much more prone to scratching than DVD or HD-DVD. - 1mabu77fac3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0it took 20 years of development to get hdtv out on the market, it'll be at least another 10 before you start seeing uhdv.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Who cares. In a few years, people will realize that both formats are bad and not worth their time or money and holographic storage will be cheaper.
Holographic is sooo much faster and the capacity is so much higher it makes HDDVD and BluRay seem like a cassette tape.
***** HDDVD.
***** BluRay.
Viva La Holographic! - catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0In a few years it won't matter because they are already working on 7680x4320. So then you can spend more of your hard-earned money on another player that is marginally better than the last.
- palmer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Not to mention that a hybrid player will perpetuate the problem, not resolve it. In fact, it's the worse thing that could happen to this fiasco.
Opting for something just because it's slightly cheaper to make at the moment (HD-DVD) is, of course, monumentally stupid when you're establishing what is supposed to be a next-generation standard. This entire debacle will most likely result in the end of physical media carriers altogether, since it may not be resolved by the time people are suckered into crap-quality downloads and crap-quality on-demand movies.
That means it'll be yet another step backward in terms of picture quality, symptomatic of an age in which we have HDTVs but nothing but compressed excrement to play on them. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -20/+14It doesn't matter where the rumors go - at the moment, Blu-Ray cannot be licensed for use in a dual player , end of story.
Why would the Blu-Ray consortium give up now?
* The PS3 is just released, obviously the best way to get the Blu-Ray player into millions of peoples hands.
* There are way more standalone Blu-Ray players at BestBuy than HD-DVD units.
* Dell and Apple are both backing Blu-Ray, Dell just recently selling a laptop with a Blu-Ray burner.
* Pixar has not even released any titles on Blu-Ray yet (Disney/Pixar is one of the Blu-Ray exclusive studios).
In a year if there is any kind of question about which will dominate, then I think we would see the dual licence restriction crumble. But I don't think it will take a year to make it very clear that HD-DVD simply lacks the backing to win. - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2If for anything I wont buy Blu Ray only because of Sonys force it down your throat tactics.
Just go watch Tokyo Drift on that Toshiba A2 and you will be convinced that you dont need no Blu Ray. At least for movies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3Blu-Ray also has the capability to support much higher definition resolutions
- crazycracker, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5I think your definition of failure differs from the dictionary's
- tinbert, on 10/12/2007, -19/+6Blu-Ray will win in the long run IMO...have you seen the numbers on the xbox 360 HD-DVD drive? its release week it sold a whopping 42,000 units. Sony may have only sold 400k ps3's, but they also just sold 400k blu-ray players. and for those who think "you dont buy a ps3 just to play blu-ray"...it sure is hell of a lot cheaper than buying the 1,000 blu-ray players off the shelf. (BTW HD-DVD's scratch 1000x easier than blu-ray, probably why they cost more tho) PS3 was not a failure and will not be....with 100+ million ps2 sales and it still being the biggest selling console (yes a 5 yr old machine is beating the pants off wii60)
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