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- mimecuvalo, on 07/14/2009, -6/+641I work at YouTube and am one of the guys who worked on this project.
We've had the promo up for a couple weeks now (along with other Web 2.0 companies like Twitter and Facebook - props to them as well!). We love, love, love that the community is responding with mutual joy in trying to shake off an 8-year old piece of software. The trick we *all* need to pull is to get the word out to IT administrators (who according to Digg's latest post make up 3/4 of IE6 users). So, like writing a letter to your congressman: write a polite email or start a petition to your IT admin to update the company to a modern browser - we really don't care which one - just *something* for pete's sake. And not just that, but to have a regular, sane upgrade timeline policy of 2 or 3 years.
We'll try to put up a blog post soon on the YouTube blog to explain our reasons and methodology. - Phlieger, on 07/14/2009, -46/+619IE sucks whether it's 6, 7, or 8.
- Barr08, on 07/14/2009, -5/+424An IE6 user knew how to take a screenshot?
- eShinn, on 07/14/2009, -3/+325Yay. No more IE PNG fix ;.)
- inactive, on 07/14/2009, -8/+219Nooooo!
You guys are ruining the movement!
http://www.saveie6.com/ - MWeather, on 07/14/2009, -14/+215You might not, but every web developer on the planet would.
- Inceptious, on 07/14/2009, -8/+193***** IE6
- bakamas, on 07/14/2009, -2/+143Wow, can you imagine petitioning your work to upgrade to modern browsers so you can watch youtube videos, twitter, and facebook?
- stoanhart, on 07/14/2009, -4/+142Thank god! I've been waiting for the day YouTube pulled the plug for ages. If Twitter and Facebook pull it too, IE6 market share will drop dramatically!
- patbon, on 07/14/2009, -2/+97Probably at work. Shame more people don't know about portable Firefox.
- sancho320, on 07/14/2009, -3/+95MWeather is right. As a web developer of 10 years, MS's lack of respect for web standards is both stubborn and downright idiotic. I still can't figure out whether they are purposely trying to create their own standards or are just too damn lazy to keep up to date with the w3. Let's not forget that this is the company that forgot to include support for their very own transparent png, in not one but TWO versions of their browser!
I will give them this though, businesses who know how differently IE acts from other browsers are much less likely to build a site on their own, and that alone has assuredly brought me in a huge amount of business over the years. - chewbacca77, on 07/14/2009, -0/+91It can't happen soon enough.
- Yooree, on 07/14/2009, -2/+81I support this lack of support.
- falser, on 07/14/2009, -2/+65It really was going to take some big sites like this to draw a line in the sand and stop trying to "degrade gracefully". Kudos.
- patbon, on 07/14/2009, -66/+123I take it you haven't used 8. It's not the best browser, but I wouldn't say it "sucks"
- DontUKnowImLoco, on 07/14/2009, -2/+56I just wanted to commend the teams at Youtube and Digg for taking the first steps in phasing out support for IE6. It will have to be these big sites that take the lead to ultimately sway the majority of IE6 users to a more modern browser. Most companies don't realize how much money they would save by dropping support for this browser. I'd love if all of the web developers could have a global, official "Drop Support for IE6 Day" (such as Dec. 31, 2009) so we can have a grassroots movement to retire this browser once and for all. If I'm still tweaking HTML/CSS for IE6 in 2011, I'll probably go crazy.
- chockster, on 07/14/2009, -0/+54Y'know, disabling YouTube will probably make IT Admins LESS likely to upgrade- it's an automatic productivity booster.
Well, that's the way they'll see it, anyway. - timpoke8, on 07/14/2009, -5/+58@Helspawn
Key word there - not everyone "BUYS" the best. Perhaps you haven't noticed, Firefox is free. So there is literally NO reason to use IE, when there is something better for free. - patbon, on 07/14/2009, -0/+51Yes, how persuasive
- bdigital24, on 07/14/2009, -0/+47I'm an IT admin and I had no problem 'pushing' IE7.... even though I'd still unofficially tell users they're much better off using Firefox, which I also included in our basic image. We recently 'pushed' IE8 as well only after ADP got with the program and updated their pages to support IE8. From the company standpoint now, there is no reason NOT to be using Firefox / IE7+
- WibWobble, on 07/14/2009, -0/+467 still messes up the gamma key in PNGs...
- sirmasterboy, on 07/14/2009, -0/+44We do but just because it's portable doesnt mean it's going to work. First of all, we can't use any non-work USB drives. Second, Firefox is blocked so it wont even be able to connect to the internet if we were to run it in any way.
- jmferris, on 07/14/2009, -0/+42I've got a movement for IE6...
- Fleagleman, on 07/14/2009, -3/+45I have an idea as to who should drop IE6 support next.
How about, "the internet"? - L0NER, on 07/14/2009, -0/+42I made a transparent png and my client's work computers are still on ie 6... ***** that *****
- blackinthmiddle, on 07/14/2009, -2/+42Although I have to use all three at work to make sure stuff we build works with them, I don't really know enough about 7 or 8 to say they suck. 6? Piece of *****, plain and simple. I'm tired of having to use pngfix solutions and other IE6 checks just to make sure users get the same experience.
Quite frankly, Microsoft can avoid all of this bad press if they'd simply build ***** that follows standards. Instead, they'd rather say ***** you to all involved. Anyone who's created an html email campaign and tried to get it to look right in Outlook knows exactly what I'm talking about. - Vinvin, on 07/14/2009, -3/+43So, to sum it up:
- The only people still using IE6 are those for whom IE6 is the only option, namely, at work.
- Those who are in charge of that would rather not have their employees watch Youtube videos.
- This means there's even more reason for them not to upgrade IE...
*sigh* :P - holzp, on 07/14/2009, -0/+38MySpace is dying faster than IE6.
- mrsteveman1, on 07/14/2009, -2/+40I say it sucks, i've already had to find ways to make our standards-compliant sites work correctly in IE8 despite their claim that it is standards compliant.
- Baryn, on 07/14/2009, -3/+40I'd like to lend a ****** You* to all the people who believe that IE7 is rendering their sites correctly, and not just spitting out a bunch of hacks developers spent days producing.
Again, ***** you all. And ***** MSIE. Good night. - rmxz, on 07/14/2009, -1/+37"email or start a petition to your IT admin to update the company to a modern browser"
This is far far easier for Google to do than for anyone else.
Just make Google.com show one line of text for IE users that states "at the end of this year we'll drop support for IE6" - and every IT department in the world will start migrating ASAP.
This would work much faster than a bunch of internal requests where the IT department's response is "show me a work-related site that will requires >IE6 and we'll start migrating".
So long as all the work-related sites support IE6, there is no compelling reason for an IT department to migrate. Until a major work-related site announces a timeline to drop IE6 it'll continue to be a tough sell. - ferrisnox, on 07/14/2009, -6/+42Lets dump IE6, all together now!
- selphishnerd, on 07/14/2009, -4/+39Ok can we start phasing out 7 and 8 yet?
- XeroXenith, on 07/14/2009, -0/+34Most web designers have veins. I believe the word you're looking for is "bane".
- s73v3r, on 07/14/2009, -0/+34Unfortunately, the biggest part of IE6's marketshare comes from corporate users who have internal web apps coded specifically for IE6. And managers who see nothing wrong with that.
- neonhomer, on 07/14/2009, -0/+32To really get IE6 out of the picture we need more than just "entertainment" sites to stop supporting it. Digg, youtube, twitter, etc won't be the sites that sway IT from switching. But i guess it's a start.
- 7m7uf, on 07/14/2009, -3/+33They block Facebook and youtube here -- but i still want IE6 gone. It has no Tabs -- i could be so much faster at my job with tabs.
- linuxpenguin, on 07/14/2009, -2/+32I've always noticed that people always compare IE to previous versions of IE when they talk about how "good" it is. . .
I hope someone else remembers that the exact same things were said about IE5, IE6, and IE7 when they came out. Yes, each is better than the previous in some aspect - that doesn't make them good.
For those that don't know - IE is difficult to work with for development because it's relatively slow and hogs a pretty good chunk of your system resources. Maybe fine for production-ready pages with all the bugs worked out, but that's not the case when you're developing it still - especially if the page has to display a lot of data. - Subduction, on 07/15/2009, -0/+30Watch your language.
- dmcaudio, on 07/14/2009, -1/+28it sucks enough that Microsoft.com isn't even natively compatible with it. They are forcing IE7 compatibility mode.
- onederboy, on 07/14/2009, -2/+29Your proposal is acceptable.
/MIB - vammirato, on 07/14/2009, -0/+27Sad: Microsoft blatantly states that complying with standards is not the goal of IE8....especially as they pertain to the acid3 test.
Just for ***** and giggles, I tested IE 8 (20/100), Firefox 3.5. (93/100), Safari 4 (94/100), and Chrome (100/100 but linktest failed).
Here is one engineer responding to a question about the Acid tests (from
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chat ...
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: What do you guys think of the Acid-tests, especially Acid3? Is it your goal to let IE 8 pass Acid3?
A: Alex, The ACID3 test is a collection of interesting tests, spread across a large set of standards. Some of those standards will see improvements in IE8 - in fact, IE8 already improves on IE7's score - but we are focused on the most important features and standards to make web developers' lives easier. The ACID3 test does not map directly to that goal. - 7m7uf, on 07/14/2009, -2/+29I'm so glad you know how my job is performed or how my PC is setup.
here's a clue -- i have to have a lot of windows opened at one time all while IT has disabled grouped items in the taskbar. - patbon, on 07/14/2009, -0/+26If you go back and read the Digg blog post about this issue, you'll see that almost all of them (at least those who visit tech sites and know what a "web brower" is) are stuck with it where they work.
- floppytaco, on 07/14/2009, -0/+26I love your mom too.
- Myonosken, on 07/14/2009, -10/+33Or 7. It's no Firefox or Safari, but a mile better than 6.
- kopiwrite, on 07/14/2009, -0/+23Anything is better than 6. I could look at HTML/CSS and draw on paper how the website should look better than IE can produce the results on screen.
- s73v3r, on 07/14/2009, -0/+23They're trying to make web developer's lives easier. As long as those web developers only use IE, and only care about their users using IE.
- woofers07, on 07/14/2009, -1/+24As a web developer I've been saying all along, all it takes is for one large company or website to say "***** you IE6" then others will start falling inline. The amount of hours wasted on IE6 fixes and bugs on websites will nearly double a lot of budgets.
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