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- nymphetamine, on 07/21/2008, -3/+85http://opendns.com/
- eltardo, on 07/21/2008, -7/+59Rogers is a ***** company, I thought Digg was supposed to present News? They screw you on cell phone plans, and now that they're trying to make money off you, this is surprising?
What color is the sky in your world? - lukas88, on 07/21/2008, -5/+30How dare they try and make money off us! Well I am glad I live in America where that doesn't happen.
- inactive, on 07/21/2008, -1/+24ISP's taking a page out of the spyware playbook. Expect to see more of this in the near future..
- LunaCs, on 07/21/2008, -0/+22The opt-out is not real. It shows an IE error page, but it's not the real error, the address is search.rogers.com/not_found . It shows this IE error page on my Mac using safari and Firefox, so the opt-out is a total fake.
- pbryan, on 07/21/2008, -0/+22The result of this madness: incorrect "A" requests will resolve to Rogers, and non-HTTP-protocol applications will break with "connection refused" or "connection timeout" instead of "wrong address" error, ultimately leading to confused users.
Can a customer opt-out of being "helped," and receive proper "not found" DNS responses if they choose? Doubtful. Another ISP breaks their connection to the Internet, in the guise of being helpful, but more likely to drive internal revenue goals. - Yatti420, on 07/21/2008, -1/+19Id rather give my flizzle to OpenDNS..
- mlostracco, on 07/21/2008, -0/+17One of the things that irritates me the most about this is that I am used to just typing in URLs without the suffix (i.e. just "digg" instead of "digg.com") and it screws all of that up. Before the browser can try the .com default, I get the Rogers ad-filled search page (and there are more ads at the top that aren't in the Ars screenshot). Rogers buries a cookie-based option to disable this, but it still defaults to a Internet Explorer(!) "not found" page, which means that if I turn it off, I still can't use the shortcut I'm used to without having to type the .com suffix. ARGHRGRHHHH…
- Yatti420, on 07/21/2008, -3/+19Just use OpenDNS..
- pbryan, on 07/21/2008, -0/+12If it were a cookie, then it would be too late, because DNS "A" request would come before the GET/POST request; "A" would resolve to Rogers before the cookie is sent to prevent any damage.
- artfuldodga, on 07/21/2008, -2/+13support OpenDNS, your ISP makes enough money ripping you off
- ipen, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11This is being done by an american company that specializes in rolling this technology out to *ANY ISP*. They'll do it at no charge, with very little service interruption and even pay your ISP based on the ad revenue from this search system.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Screw_neutrality_Paxfire ...
So, bend over. - protogenes, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10It gets worse kids...
The so called opt out via cookies is a lie, it just redirects to a Rogers branded bogus IE 404 page.
The CRTC doesn't cover this, the CCTS doesn't cover this (they say take it to the Better Business Bureau...).
Anyone know what course of action can be taken here? - bradleyland, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10*****, this is annoying. Do they have any idea how BROKEN this idea is? Name resolvers rely on cascading failures, especially for self-discovery protocols. If a DNS lookup fails, fall through to a WINS/bonjour/etc lookup. When DNS lookups _always_ succeed, ***** breaks.
I introduced OpenDNS in to my home network and all of the sudden none of my Macs could see my PCs. I'm not going through the trouble of setting up a DNS server at my house, and neither is any other home user. This is why self-discovery network protocols were invented! Who the hell is making these decisions!? - loconet, on 07/21/2008, -4/+14They do the same thing (ie. hijack errors). They send you here: http://guide.opendns.com/?url=[url.here]
- GalacticCmdr, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11My understanding is that OpenDNS does the same exact thing. They redirect you first according to any shortcuts that match - then to their own search page.
- LunaCs, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10A commenter on one forum noticed that it is also altering some valid URLs, for example http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=anysearchter ... is sent to rogers ad-ridden junk filled search. If the IE-Address part is stripped off the URL, the original live search results are shown.
I wonder what other URLs are now going to be filtered!
Add that to the fact that the "opt-out" error page is a total fake (it shows the Internet Explorer error page even on my Mac using Firefox or Safari, not their error pages!) and I think Microsoft may have a valid position to take them to court! Copyright infringement, stealing customers using their search... yup, sounds illegal to me! - Waiting2awake, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9another example of tech decisions being made by non-techs, or worse - lawyers and marketers!
- bradleyland, on 07/21/2008, -1/+10Allow me to paraphrase GalacticCmdr.
OpenDNS does the same dumb *****! - chaoswings, on 07/21/2008, -1/+9As a rogers customer I am pissed off about it. They are repeatedly testing their limits with the customers.
However, were it not for this article I would have never noticed because firefox redirects me to google when I mistype a url. Anyway looks like it's time to add a new list of filters to Adblock.... - dampeal, on 07/21/2008, -0/+8Verizon has been doing that for quite a while... example: if I only type two w's instead of three it takes me to Verizon/Yahoo page saying that doesn't exist
- InorganicMatter, on 07/21/2008, -3/+11The difference is OpenDNS's hijack error sends you to a rebranded Google search that is actually designed to HELP you, whereas Rogers is just a trojan horse'd ad page trying to SELL stuff to you.
- blahyawnblah, on 04/28/2009, -2/+9You beat me to it.
+1 for opendns - Waiting2awake, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7How can we fight back?
- drjekelmrhyde, on 07/21/2008, -3/+10Open DNS is ok to make money off you but Rodgers is not?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/20/opendns-makes ... - purelithium, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7Oh Rogers...
- brianpeiris, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7I switched from Rogers to TekSavvy 2 months ago, right after they started doing this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianpeiris/242348408 ... - derkles, on 07/21/2008, -2/+8Change your DNS entry to 4.2.2.2 or OpenDNS
- TheSpook, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6>> firefox redirects me to google when I mistype a url
Will the Rogers redirect return a 404? If not, I assume the Firefox redirect will not work?? - krnldmp, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Which is also *****.
- Yatti420, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Ill add another enemy located here in Canada.. Sandvine..
- TristanTee, on 07/21/2008, -2/+74.2.2.1
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4.2.2.6 - MAGZine, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6Red.
- 3uster, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5As much as I hate Rogers, I'm stuck to it. What other choice do I have? Bell? Not as fast as Rogers I'm afraid, plus a 60GB cap to boot. If only some company would just come along an offer a better service as an ISP.
- xtremesniper, on 07/21/2008, -2/+7No, they actually try to help you find out what went wrong. You can get them to test the nameserver to find out if that's the reason why you can't access the site you intended to get to. And OpenDNS helps you by correcting your mis-spelled domains like .cm to .com and .og to .org, etc.
They have a lot of features that make them worthwhile. Not to mention how much faster they are than Rogers' DNS servers. - johnkelly84, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6You can disable those redirects in OpenDNS, it's not hard.
- nicktheawesome, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6Goodbye.
- loconet, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6It's not the way to go. Opendns does the same thing, they send you here: http://guide.opendns.com/?url=[url.here]
- lukas88, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5They need to do something about this but first they need to do something about those ads in text or banners that when you mouse over some flash movie pops up and starts playing. I'm pretty sure that makes baby jesus cry even more.
- tomz17, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5No! NO NO NO NO! Read his original post. The DNS opt-out is a simple redirect to a served error page that mimics what you would see if DNS didn't resolve. Your resolver still gets a valid DNS reply to a domain that doesn't exist. This STILL BREAKS THE INTERNET, and precludes your browser from trying other domain extensions.
- n3dm, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4My ISP does that too. It's not news. Time Warner Cable.
- jamalaball, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4although open dns is a much better alternative, they also redirect you to their search site if you put in an unknown address, this also breaks address bar searching features in most browsers.
- MadEnvoy, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Rogers, and any other ISP is already getting money out of it's users, that's why you pay a fee to use their services. Why do they need to hijack your DNS and make more money?
- nathanww, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5"We block phishing sites, give you the power to filter out adult sites and proxies among more than 50 categories, and provide the precision to block individual domains. "
Um, no thanks. - BookmasterIce, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4This is ***** ridiculous. On a monthly basis, i get letters from them saying my bandwidth for the month is exceeding my 60 GB cap, When i know, damn certain, that i only use my internet for watching Revision three shows, and browsing digg, gizmodo, and engadget. Yes, i have wifi, and NO it's security is NOT compromised, thank you very much, rogers.
Now this? Not to mention the throttling on encrypted BT traffic!
If i had any better alternative here in Ontario, as bell outright throttles ALL BT traffic, i would have already jumped on the bandwagon.
Props to you rogers, you take the cake for really knowing how to fist ***** you're customers up the ass. - Dochtuir, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4Using Firefox?
If so, type "digg" then just hit ctrl-enter. - expert01, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4I'm on Bresnan cable, and they have the same redirect. I also use OpenDNS - somehow, Bresnan intercepts it anyways.
- happycat, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4Why is this dugg down? I like ODNS, but the truth is that OpenDNS does the exact same thing that Rogers is denounced for doing, although I think with ODNS you can turn it off via your IP address instead of a transitive cookie.
Also, I'd rather have ODNS make money off my typos than Rogers-since I already pay them (for only a couple weeks more since I canceled my Rogers internet.) - solarix, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4When I first got FIOS I was pissed when I found the DNS redirect going on. Did some searching around online, all I had to opt out was to use one of Verizon's other DNS servers, set it up manually, and never had the issue again. Sure I could have used any other number of DNS servers..... but that was it.
- manitoba98xp, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4It only happens if you go to an invalid URL. Try this one:
http://nonexistant.digg.com/ -
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