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- davidmesaaz, on 01/09/2009, -4/+96Arizona State University got rid of their old e-mail system and saved a half million per year on switching to gmail.
- Gumby_Mac, on 01/09/2009, -6/+78That's what she said.
- inactive, on 01/09/2009, -9/+76yes but you cant control the backend
- HelAom, on 01/09/2009, -7/+46mm... I'd rather keep company emails inhouse, dont want google carrying around a copy
- DickyT83, on 01/09/2009, -8/+46G-mail, where you don't have to worry about deleting pertinent e-mails due to spam.
- mibi, on 01/09/2009, -3/+40yes but other systems cost are 66% more than free.
- awolfe91, on 01/09/2009, -4/+37Sounds like a car insurance commercial
- bradleyland, on 01/09/2009, -2/+34"Controlling the backend" is what ends up costing so much money. This is an argument that only geeks make. The "backend" is a means to an end for companies that require email. What matters is that email is delivered as expected and that users don't spend their day digging through spam.
- forcedfx, on 01/09/2009, -3/+28Yes you are.
- fabio1, on 01/09/2009, -0/+22related by keyword - I've only slept with two men - Paris Hilton
?!?! - SkippyDoorknob, on 01/09/2009, -0/+21She was 1/3 less expensive than a prostitute.
- UselessTrivia, on 01/09/2009, -1/+21Google has lots of optional services that cost extra for corporate and university mail systems.
The real kicker for google is the huge mailbox sizes. It's very difficult for most businesses to offer that much storage because they keep it all on server-quality hard drives, SANs, fiber channel, etc... Google uses cheap commodity parts that cost a fraction as much, and they just deal with the inevitable failures by having more redundancy. - mmijatov, on 01/09/2009, -1/+19The free edition is free, but not the standard or premier.
- igyigyigy, on 01/09/2009, -3/+18But you had to get paid to set it up and maintain it, for gmail it could be done by someone with much smaller skillset
- mk3k, on 01/09/2009, -0/+15English, it's not so hard to use.
- RaisingSpirits, on 01/09/2009, -0/+15I kind of wanted to read the actual report... and then I noticed that it cost $379 to download...
- Scrappy1850, on 01/09/2009, -1/+14do you have to rub its back and tell it "everything will be ok"?
- PrestonM, on 01/09/2009, -0/+13It looks like the standard edition is the free edition.
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/editio ... - javaroast, on 01/09/2009, -2/+14IMAP for Gmail
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en ... - ATL, on 06/20/2009, -0/+12give him a break, he just accidentally his sentence
- ChayesFSS, on 01/09/2009, -3/+151/3 the price & 100X better
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/09/2009, -2/+12Yeah, but that savings comes with a price.
The university where I work has considered using Google for student e-mail since so many like it and use it anyway. The problem is that the university has legal requirements to ensure delivery of critical e-mail, to be able to trace e-mail and verify that delivery, etc. This just isn't possible with Gmail. Sure, we can look at our mail logs and verify that it got handed off to Google's servers, but they don't provide any sort of ability for us to trace it after that point or verify that it got delivered. We need to be able to trace university e-mail all the way from sender to recipient, but Google is essentially a "black box" that we have no ability to see inside. So due to the legal implications involved in the university requirements vs. what Google actually provides, we simply can not use them as an official mail provider. That's what you get for the cheaper price. - SkippyDoorknob, on 01/09/2009, -0/+10Tags can do the same thing as folders, plus more.
- icematrix, on 01/09/2009, -3/+13Courier Imap + Exim + Squirrelmail + $30 nutsmail.com skin + $600 server = E-mail, Group calendaring & Email archiving for the last 6 years for the school district (700+ users) I run.
Let's not leave free software out of the equation. - TheDarkTrumpet, on 01/10/2009, -0/+9I think you guys are missing the point Hel is trying to make.
When you have sensitive information, you don't want it outside your company. For example, lets say you're a development company. If you check out source code on your home machine, you can easily be fired from the company. Many companies don't allow the use of USB keychains, floppies, CDRs, or whatever. The reason being is that they want their information secure and private.
I know some people where I work that like to email themselves a file so they can access it elsewhere - say in a meeting or whatever. If this is private information, say something with SSNs in it or something (which granted really shouldn't be sent this way anyways), then google now has a copy of this information.
The point is that while fedex/UPS/etc are trusted for delivering mail, it's unlikely a company is going to take a copy of their main product's code and simply put it on a CD to go out. The same can be said for even printed paper with SSNs on it.
Gmail is nice, I like it too, but I don't feel I could trust them with really private information. - Murdats, on 01/09/2009, -2/+10and no other service ever has outages does it?
the only difference is you have no it guy to yell at when it goes wrong. - wolphcry, on 01/09/2009, -2/+10I moved our small tech college in Colorado over just to save me time.
$10k for a new Exchange server so the switch was a no brain-er.
The other large cost is new laws that requires you to keep all email for 5 years. Much easier to pass it off to Google. - locondcoco, on 01/09/2009, -1/+966% of free is still free. ( 0*x = 0 )
- snareguy17, on 01/10/2009, -1/+9You beat me to it.
....that's what she said? - Murdats, on 01/09/2009, -1/+9if he is doing work, you are spending money on it.
you could say he is being payed anyway but you could be paying him to do something else - scamper22, on 01/09/2009, -2/+9As Bradleyland says, controlling the back end is really only an argument a geek can make. Why do you want to control the back end?
Your company depends on electricity... do you depend on some 3rd party to generate it for you? What happens if it goes down!!!... well you get a blackout and deal with it.
Alright you say, but that's different, there's no sensitive information in electricity. Email is crucial to business. So is mail. Do you trust the post office, Fedex, UPS... to carry your mail securely or do you run your own mail service? Of course you trust Fedex. So why don't you trust Google?
Business is based on trust. The only gap you have is not trusting 3rd party email providers when you already trust a whole bunch of other 3rd party providers for many other services. Give it some time, some certifications, more technology, monitoring, some lawyers, some SLAs... and you will also trust them. - Coffeedemon, on 01/09/2009, -1/+8Might be fine for companies but where I work (Government) it will likely be a cold day in hell before we switch over from internal email. I'm lucky I can still access my account for personal purposes.
- qwertydvorak, on 01/09/2009, -0/+7"Google uses cheap commodity parts that cost a fraction as much, and they just deal with the inevitable failures by having more redundancy."
what is to keep a company from doing the same ? - jason210, on 01/09/2009, -0/+7i think that was at once
- FutureGuy, on 01/09/2009, -0/+7I would rather not have someone indexing sensitive emails to create stats or serve ads. At the end of the day you are getting what you pay for, one could keep the costs at 0 by just using free email account.
- porkdanish, on 01/09/2009, -1/+8Very. As a former Notes developer, I can truly say: Notes Sucks!
- geekworking, on 01/09/2009, -1/+8You're missing Month vs. Year.
The report estimates cost of internal email at $25/user/month. Google's cost of $50/year/user works out to
$4.17/user/month. - aoou4444, on 01/10/2009, -0/+6They aren't switching to @gmail.com addresses. They are just switching to Google servers with the gmail interface and keeping the .edu TLD.
- HeavyDoody, on 01/09/2009, -0/+6They have two levels of domain-hosted Email service. A free one, and a $50/user one:
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/editio ... - mk3k, on 01/09/2009, -8/+14University of Virginia is doing the same thing with the addition of the choice of Windows Live email.
- kvark, on 01/09/2009, -4/+10Gmail can be sensitive if you trust all your important information and e-mail to it.
- cjohara, on 01/09/2009, -1/+7I just took over an email system designed much the same way. Apparently the College in question was underfunded enough that 90% of our solutions have to be free or open source. Google really does make life easier for student e-mails. . .
Or the last sysadmin was a cheap bastard. - davidmesaaz, on 01/09/2009, -0/+6I don't work for google but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. I experienced the ASU run e-mail and the google run g-mail. There were fewer outages and the system was much better...
- borez, on 01/09/2009, -1/+7That's -33% of complimentary isn't it?
- rolf, on 01/10/2009, -0/+6When a school switches to gmail, they retain their domain name, so you are still whoever@school.edu, it just means you get the gmail interface and the school doesn't have to babysit the email system - that backend is maintained by google.
It also means you get all the gmail features as they roll out. - pw378, on 01/10/2009, -1/+6Email / SMTP has no guarantees of delivery, so it sounds more like a requirement written to use a specific application... If the messages are so critical they must provide a guarantee of delivery, don't use email.
- SimplyPirates, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5My server is a computer someone left on the side of the street. :) I don't run email for 700 users but it does well for a small website.
- avatarpalin, on 01/10/2009, -1/+6Sounds like you are coming from the perspective of someone who is paid to look after the 'inhouse' email
- avatarpalin, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5I don't understand this logic, Gmail has IMAP support. If you use this with a variety of email clients you don't get the ads. As far as sensitive emails, the moment you hit SEND on the email you lose complete control, A: if it's sent to another company you have no idea what happens to it B: if you send it internal then you have no idea if it's been printed or forwarded to an outbound email address. Like I have done a number of times..
- w33zy, on 01/09/2009, -0/+5confusing his comment is
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