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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23It has nothing to do with forcing to use Firefox. What it has to do with is technology advancing. The web is a thing that's alive and evolving so if IE doesn't want to keep up it's their fault. This CSS stuff is open standards so it's not forcing anyone to upgrade.
- ojk007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17[bitching]
Before you all keep bashing Firefox, i will tell you why its Firefox only.
This site uses CSS3 which is only implemented in Firefox, because of this is will not work on other browsers. So either Keep Up With The Times OR stop your IGNORANT Whinging!!!
[/bitching] - FogDogg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Works fine in Opera, and probably any other browser that supports web standards...
- cursor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14This has to be one of the shortest titles for a digged story :)
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I was wondering why it seemed broken. Using Safari.
- Khuffie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@liquidhot, I suggest you look up the definition of code. Whether you're writing in HTML or C++, you're still 'coding', however, you can't be considered 'programming' in HTML whereas you're programming in C++.
- Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19What's wrong with firefox?
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I disagree - coding something to only work in one Browser is lazy.
If this had only worked in IE (or maybe even Opera) it wouldn't have got near the front page. - googlyguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The Web Developer Toolbar extension to Firefox already incorporates the live CSS editing feature. Just press Ctrl-Shift-E and from there you can edit any type of CSS on the current page.
Get it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/ - IAmAI, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Personally, I have nothing against circumventing Internet Explorer :)
This is assuming it works in all other browsers too. - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Working fine with K-Meleon and Opera.
- Quakes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@itsnotvalid
Doesn't a markup language count as code? - nihlton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5aplusplus - IE couldn't handle the operations at work here. The app modifies the CSS rules by setting the innerHTML of a style tag (kind of a hack, but Im not about to write pages and pages of code to load CSS syntax into the DOM). IE doesn't bother to reinterpret the contents of style tags once the page is loaded. Im not positive that safari and opera do either. So yeah, firefox only :(
think of this as one more reason to switch :P
-greg
noneloud - so ya know, you can move the textfield around. does that help? - Lostangel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Grimdotdotdot
Might want to notify Microsoft about that. They must be the laziest company in the world as most of their websites have never worked in other browsers. - noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love the simplicity and accuracy of this page, but the minute I started using < DIV > overlays it became unusable as they covered the text field. I don't like iframes, but I think this would be a suitable time to use them; you could have one to show the rendred page and the other with the text box. I'm not sure if that's even possible, but I think it would make it more functional.
- ThankTheCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3fantastic. This would be an especially useful tool for teaching CSS to students. Dugg and bookmarked.
- nihlton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5superfunbob - you can direct any ire at me. I made it. :) May I ask, what do you write code in? I usually scribble mock-ups out in notepad so a text area already feels like home.
hardly any code here - its it beautiful? You could feasibly shave the whole thing down to two text areas, an output div and include the one line of code found in the onkeyup event.
Is anybody actually going to use this? - I use it all the time for prototyping. If im hot and heavy in the middle of a huge project I use an industrial grade text based editor, but this is great for when you wanna get right into coding. Not to mention the time saved from saving your work in the editor - switching to the browser, hitting refresh, switching back to the editor, making changes, saving your work... etc etc.
regarding the CLEVr name - its very tongue-in-cheek. I originally posted to metafilter projects with the note: "please note AWESOME web 2.0 name! that means its good." I suppose if i blanket the whole thing in gradients the sarcasm will come through better. - M4v3R, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It works in Konqueror under linux too.
- pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I have nothing against it not being coded, I mean, hacked for IE. But does it work in Opera, Safari, Konqueror and other reasonable browser?
- jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As our great friend Fipi would say, [this is good].Nice job, dude.
- kodeiko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have it working in Opera 8.5x and Firefox 1.5 in Windows. Sure you will argue those 2 represent a small percentages of web browsers being used, but you're really just behind time as IE6 is really backward. Yes, business should cater to IE because it's a major percentage and they need customers (the origins of profits) but who are you to decide what this (CSS thingy) author's targetted audience is? Just cause you're behind time doesn't mean the whole world has to lag with you, seriously. Please, stop bitching. Even if this site is Firefox only, it's by no mean "useless". If it's for "IE" only, ah then that probably is useless.
- johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The 'Edit HTML' feature of Firefox's web developer tools is also handy for doing similar things to this. I use it all the time, it's terrific to see it change right in front of your eyes :)
- itsnotvalid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A reason I could think is that IE has its own way of doing things that not all of us here would follow.
- otomo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Works fine in safari 2.0.3
What version was having problems? (from above) - zatrix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5now all it needs is syntax highlighting
- gazza1934, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gently, and not being controversial, if you are not an experienced programmer it is ace. You can experiment and generally play around and see the way things will look. Yes, it would be good if it worked in all browsers but, as it stands, it is a great way of enlightening absolute beginners - me - on the merits of .css.
- trevorsm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Hey, he left out an 'e' between the 'd' and the 'r'... how clevEr of him.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Add HyperEdit to that list. It's probably the quickiest one.
- CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not as much barraging you, nihlton, as trying to point out that standard purpose sites like Digg have an expectation for cross browser-ness... If they're going to label something as "cool renderer" they should post it's firefox only so we don't get to the page only to be disappointed.
Maybe what Digg needs are some icons indicating compatability... i dunno. - Brutal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Cutting the last vowel is SO last year. Why not just call it RendEr?
- twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, dude, I would venture to guess that Opera has more support for CSS3 than the Fox.
- bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It appears to be down... anybody know what happened to it?
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You'd think with them only supporting one browser they could get the layout on their 'help' tab right.
- wusch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hehe, yes this is great fun - try: body { display: none; }
but useful thing :D - willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Would have been really cool to slap on some Google Adsense before posting to digg ;-)
- yahoofrom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now if sombody could combine that with a javascript editor.
- dcipjr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, it's seriously getting lamr and lamr.
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's where z-index would help.
- tybris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Better or different (no css)? It certainly screws up the back button :(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah, and like all other web 2.0 services it's name is one word ending in -r instead of -er.
As for the firefox only thing-I don't mind since firefox is the browser I use, but I find it amusing that you guys get up in arms at the people complaining that it's firefox only. If it were IE only you would be the first to complain. - johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1doh, shoulda looked up :)
- superfunbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0nihlton - I use HomeSite for HTML/CSS/JS/Perl/Ruby/XML/CF... the list goes on. Just started playing with Vim. For Java I use Eclipse, Notepad for quickies, and Netbeans (sad but true). For Flex 1.5 I use Flexbuilder (unfortunately). For SQL I use query analyzer and MySQL query browser (barf). I haven't done any C or C++ in a while, but I use a combination of Emacs and MS Visual Studio for that. For .NET I use the defacto VS.NET.
My point isn't that your app is not cool. It's a nice idea, and I give you credit for development with very few lines of JS which is great. It's clean and responsive. Props :)
I guess my real problem is with all of the previous comments that give major credit for what is being touted as a breakthrough in rapid web development:
1) This thing is not really groundbreaking. Inline/Real-time editing is not a new idea, and the only difference is that you're using a web page to do something that is ordinarily done with an IDE.
2) I don't see how this really helps you if you are developing cross browser code. Do you cut and paste your code into a different browser's textarea every time you want to test your edits in FF, Safari, or IE? I don''t see how you can get around using some sort of a refresh or doing a laborious cut and paste across browser windows and possibly even multiple machines.
3) The idea of using this in a real dev environment sounds completely absurd to me. I don't want anybody on my team taking the time to look up documentation every time they can't remember a property name (code completion is your friend). There is no integrated SCM which slows people down.
Like I said, if this were integrated into an IDE, it would be great, but it's already been done.
Finally, if you really use notepad for all of your dev, then I highly suggest checking out an IDE. I'm guessing that you do this because of how lightweight the development environment is. If that's the case, then you have plenty of options that at least do code completion and color coding.
I use notepad for the purpose it was built... taking notes (and even then, I prefer editpad lite). - noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Acctually, it wasn't readily apparent that I could move the box until you said that. It's just not that obvious. Either way, the functionality is lost because now that I moved it out of the way, I have to scroll over to edit code and scroll back to view the results.
I just think there has to be a better way to do this. None the less, I think it's a good idea and a very streamlined implimentation; kudos for that. - kolywater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0im running 2.0.3. html editing works, css editing doesn't work for me.
- squarehappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Make a container div with position: relative; All absolutely positioned content will stay inside the div and out of the input field's way.
EDIT: Well, that should've worked but it just made the input fields unclickable for me. Go figure. - nihlton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dare you to make one that can alter non-inline CSS rules on the fly that works in IE.
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Most of their websites"
You mean Windows update, don't you? - nihlton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0eh, im not trying to make money off this little app, so I don't mind giving IE the angry finger. And even so, I couldnt include IE even if i wanted to. IE doesn't reinterpret the content of style tags after the page loads so the CSS tab would be out of comission.
however, if IE users want to start paying taxes to me, ill gladly support their browser :P - elpepe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Ths s rlly wsme
- Dotnetsky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Sorry, I have to press the Fart button on this one. No digg.
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