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- Nogger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+101Who is Radio Daddy and why should we care?
- BrianR, on 10/11/2007, -5/+58Haven't logged into Digg in a while... but when I read that email I decided to digg this. Let the people who listen and subscribe to podcasts be the ones who decide their quality. Not arrogant middle men who would build networks to lord over people!
- halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -7/+44@fkr3
The problem isn't the fact that they want a site dedicated to professionals, it's the crass, demeaning and insulting way he worded it.
Quite often, it's not WHAT you're saying but HOW you say it that matters. If RadioDaddy had started off with a brief one or two line description of some of the abuses he detailed in the second e-mail and then launched into a description of the new service and the per case basis for membership, the site would have come off differently. It would have looked like they were responding to a genuine market need, catering to the people who worked harder and put more work into their programs.
By insulting the podcasting community, he made it look like he was an arrogant, old media dinosaur trying to sell buggy whips to Henry Ford. Instead of making his site look like it was responding to a genuine industry need, he made it look like it was running scared from the decentralization of the media.
Instead of making his service something up and coming podcasters would see as a potential resource, he's alienated potential customers by claiming they're beneath him. - johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31What I find interesting is now just the general attitude of "... kids and unprofessional people that run podcasts and internet stations" are things to complain about - because that is *exactly* what we need.
Right now, most media is a one way street: you listen to the radio, and don't feed back. You watch TV, and you get what the networks show to you (or, at time worse, what message people pay the most to have you here - extract political influences from there).
But with Podcasting/websites/blogs, the message can become two way again. Disagree with what someone said on their "unprofessional" podcast? Start your own! More ideas are better, and it becomes not about who can spend the most money, but who can put out the most convincing argument. Things can go back and forth.
So please, let's have *more* children and unprofessionals out there making content. Flood the world with it, and let those with the best arguments, the best ideas, the best concepts over time win out. It's the only way that the truth can win out, and yes, there will be those who will cherry pick their discussions to only those who agree with them - but even these will have to know there are others who speak the opposite, and will have to investigate what is being said against their ideas (and perhaps either change or refine their ideas to become the truth).
Hail the kids and unprofessional broadcasters - and may the grow in power. - samfishercell, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26HOLY CRAP. For someone who sent out emails hyping up the "professional" nature of his services he sure has HIDEOUSLY designed webpages.
Get rid of that glossed, red type with outerglow. Ditch the blue/red color pallete. Toss the huge Microsoftesque gold badge loudly telling me I can "JOIN FREE." THEN start talking about professionalism. Geez... - skepticality, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25Man,
Were they just LOOKING for a fight? What were they thinking in this day and time? - anagoge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19You got it wrong!
Who is Radio Daddy and what does he do? - Matt2k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18He's a cop, you idiot!
- cleverboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUS websites. The alarmingly bad design choices were actually the main thing that made me back track and realize no one was implying ANY of this had anything to do with GoDaddy.
- spyrochaete, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16I agree with parent. It's fine to make a website for people working in traditional broadcast media, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And with the exception of college/university stations run by innovative people, broadcast radio is a wasteland devoid of entertainment. In Toronto I listen to 89.5 (University of Toronto radio), 88.1 (Ryerson University Radio), CDs, or nothing. College stations have fewer commercials, no playlists/rotations, no quotas (except for Canadian content), and no allegiance to big media.
For those interested in these excellent stations, check them out for free on the web:
CIUT 89.5FM Toronto - http://ciut.fm/
CKLN 88.1FM Toronto - http://ckln.fm/ - halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16@samfishercell
Hell Yes, their site is crap. I just posted the following to their"Shoutbox" forum.
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Dear GOD this site has a lot of ads. I can't seem to click a link without getting a new ad, much of it dubious looking Spam and potential spyware.
Is this a professional web site, or just some piece of detritus cobbled together by a teenager in their basement? The web design is horrible.
Radiodaddy.com needs to step up the design quality and ditch the click-through ads if they want to be taken seriously and seen as a professional resource, instead of some scam site thrown together in Frontpage.
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Well, I TRIED to send the above, but I got an error message telling me I'm not authorized to send Shouts.
This of course AFTER I'd typed it up on a page with no indication of login or register links. If only registered users can submit "shouts" why is the link and text box even VISIBLE to non-registered users? - mikev, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15http://digg.com/podcasts
diggnation has 16,000 diggs... - erkokite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"feable minded" - There is a certain irony to this phrase.
- whammypower, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11If you had actually READ the emails, they were talking about Voice Daddy.
- WanderLink, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Wow, talk about out of touch and way behind the times. I guess they can't accept the truth that radio listeners are actually stupid for listing through commercials and advertisements and only being able to catch a broadcast at a certain time, whereas podcast listeners are smart because they can get free, commercial-free, entertainment, at anytime they so choose to download or stream and not have to wait. They're just bitter that they're losing money because of the pirate revolution. Everyone wants everything free now, and I say that's a good thing. No more corporate clown-assery and monopolism. Viva La Revolucion!
- Kyrgizion, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10As far as uneducated arrogance goes (did you see those typos? I would've been fired at my internship for just half of those), this stands out like a sore thumb.
Unfortunately the internet is full of idiots like that. Just because you own a domain or run some ***** dotcom doesn't mean you're better than anyone else. - mikev, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12viagra ads sent right your way...
- gumby013, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8There are a few podcasts who have more listeners than CNBC has viewers.
- halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I don't see how they can expect to be taken seriously when they show you an ad when you click on their "Contact us" page, and list only an e-mail address, dad@radiodaddy.com. All of the podcasts I listen to can spring for a phone number, and their web sites look a Hell of a lot Better than radiodaddy.com
The web site is little more than a job search to connect people who need voice overs with those willing to provide them. I suspect most Podcasts are unlikely to need such a service. The ones I listen to tend to either do their own voice overs or have friends and fans who provide excellent ones of their own.
The e-mail in the article is a case of an arrogant and dull witted manager seeking to pimp his product by insulting a group he figures won't be customers anyway. He's trying to make those who would need his firm's services feel elitist and "better" than those who don't.
None of it matters anyway, as Scott Fletcher does kickass voice overs. radiodaddy.com is for folks who can't afford quality. - halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@i1a7338
If you don't care, why did you comment?
There are a LOT of things posted to digg that I don't care about. You know what I do about them?
Nothing.
I just click on a different link, or step away from the computer.
I recommend you try doing the same. Life is too short to spend whining about a web site having articles you don't find interesting. - ufoman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6This is what the email said...
"For years the licensed broadcasters on RadioDaddy have complained about the kids and unprofessional people that run podcasts and internet stations. While there are many exceptions to this, for the most part they were right. So before a flame war begins, let me just say that I have a lot of internet stations on some podcasters whom are friends and they produce highly professional products and services. Unfortunatly with the ease of producing low quality podcasts and internet stations, children and the feable minded have become the majority operators of these. Thus, we have created VoiceDaddy.com as a haven for traditional broadcasters to come and hang out and share their work together. There will be a few exceptiong to the traditional broadcaster rule, on a case by case basis, but for the most part, podcasters, internet stations and pirates will not be allowed to post on Voicedaddy.
We appreciate your support of RadioDaddy over the years and hope you find Voicedaddy a useful resource as well. Please let me know what we can do to improve the site and be sure to let your friends know about the new VoiceDaddy.com" - invader, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Facts:
RD's point is fairly valid.
However, the way RD worded it is a veritable PR disaster.
His email privileges should be revoked until he graduates from business school.
Combined, the title and blog post are a sensationalist overreaction. - rholloway, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5For one thing, the guy is right. Just look what the adolescents did to this place. A generation ago, these passive aggressive pussies didn't have the internet to hide behind.
- MoonLadyLaura, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Ok guys, here’s the scoop. These people are not forgiving, neither are they nice people. If you want to know what they said to me, it was much worse. The last thing they typed to me was “shove it up your a**”, so I don’t think they really care.
All they did was insult me from beginning to end of a VERY long stream of emails sent back and forth over this. I say Boycott the jerks.
I sent them a sample email, showing them how to reword the initial email they sent out, because they said they didn’t want anymore people abusing the rules. The response was “We really dont want the podcasters and internet broadcasters on the newsite. It’s for terrestrial broadcasters only.” My response was this “Well then, nough said. I wish you luck and take care. I won’t be coming back, but thanks for the offer.” This is what he wrote back to me, “Guess I wasted my time with you? I hope you’re not this unforgiving in real life. Have a good one - I did try to please you.” I wrote back, “Wow, so you insult me again? And you are never wasting your time with a potential customer. Again you have missed the point.
Presenting your company in a good light and with professionalism is what you should always be striving for. Your response should have been:
I’m sorry to see you go. We will be happy to bring you back at a later time if you change your mind. We value your opinion.
You guys need a little help on the marketing end of things.
Take care. No need to respond, I’ve said all I need to.” After that was the “Shove it…” comment that came back to me.
Wonderful business people who don’t give a care. No one should be doing business with these people. - DonCarcharo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I worked as a print designer for a few years just after the transition from paste-up to desktop publishing. A lot of those who were struggling to adapt from the old way to the new way were very critical of the new technology mainly because it lowered the bar for what constitutes a professional. To some degree they were right. To this day I still come across "designers" putting things together in MS Word and Publisher, even stuff for commercial printing. I also see it in my own field now as a web designer. My biggest competitor has gone from being a hardened professional to some kid who can whip together a Joomla site in three hours and call it a "custom design". I suspect this will only get worse as technology progresses.
But complaining about it will get you nowhere. After all, it's really no different than Home Depot or Lowes enabling millions of home owners to be pseudo contractors and interior decorators. All you can do is put more effort into your trade and hope it shines through via your work. After all if you can't compete with the amateurs, perhaps you really were never a professional at all. - itsameericle, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Speaking of lording over...Mr. HighAndMightyGrammarChecker is a hypocrite:
FTA: "That’s note what I wrote, nor what I implied. We have had a tremendous problem with kids posting requests that are poorly worded."
I mean normally I would be inclined to disregard the fact that his first sentence is a run-on, but for his letters I am simply inclined to call him an *****. - dreadstar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Never underestimate the layer styles of bevel and outer glow
- vanscott, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I stopped listening to radio djs years ago because I was tired of the same fart and monica lewinsky jokes day after day. Don't get me started on the quality of music. If they haven't figured out that content is what people want they can go pump gas, which on a career scale is just below radio dj.
I only listen to CBC radio one these days, who podcast most of their shows. CBC radio 3 podcast is my favourite. Check it out. - halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@spyrochaete
I recommend the "Community Radio Station" KFAI in Minnesota. "Crap form the Past" is one of their shows, and one of my favorite Podcasts.
http://www.kfai.org/node/104 - pauleric, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@itsameericale: that's funny because if he's going to criticize people's language skills (saying they're poorly worded), he really ought to learn how to spell 'feeble'. It's a classic grammar nazi mistake (yes, I'm a grammar nazi too).
- austinshea, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8More like podcast411 blowing something out of proportion and telling radio daddy to f off.
The e-mails, albeit through typos, explain the situation quite clearly, and why there would be a need for a community of invitation only. It makes sense, and to jump on the band wagon, and claim you're helping out the little guy, is nonsense. - nfxmedia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@rholloway
I completely agree. However, Rob could have been more professional in his email stating a change in operation rather than insult half the users. Seems a little hypocritical to call the users rude and unprofessional adolescents in a mass email. Whether the users are clueless or not, they are users - which has some value. - DonCarcharo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"I hope you at least raise the issue with customers who are considering going with an amateur rather than a professional."
Most don't care or just can't tell the difference. In fact I was just involved in a bid where we had to do presentations along with our portfolios just to get a shot at a formal bid. I made the cut down to the last 5 people but the contract ultimately went to a guy who has a track record with popping out generic Joomla sites. And this was a $12K job.
What sealed the deal for the client was a major site this guy developed for a city. There were press releases, newspaper articles and so on regarding this site. It's a generic Joomla site of course but no one knows that. He also used the same template for a porn site he operates. Which is sad because in both cases he didn't even change the name of the CSS file outlining which template he used.
So yes, I'm tired of losing jobs to guys like this but I also understand that business is business. If he can make a living charging clients $10K a pop for template-based Joomla sites then he's going to do it until he gets caught. And even then, the customers often don't care. In this case, the client said. "As long as its a good solution I don't care how they build it. All that matters is that it works." - CanuckMakem, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8Well said....
- halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@i1a7338
Oh, I'm not whining. I'm just an old fart trying to offer some constructive criticism to today's youth. Now get your rear outside. It's a lovely day out, and I'd like to know that SOMEONE is enjoying the weather while I'm cooped up nursing a sprained knee. - Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm not sure why I should care. If it's crap, I just skip it.
- drilldown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2http://news.com.com/Digital+TV+switch+set+for+early+2009/2100-1028_3-6004429.html
Commerce as enforced by the Federal Government. - my10cent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2well F him, if I want to make a podcast I make one and nobody can tell me not to do it. one thing is for sure I am never going to listen to him anymore.
- zouhair, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I am subscribed to about ten podcasts, and all of them are aired radio shows, and none of them are from that ***** daddy
- OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I hope you at least raise the issue with customers who are considering going with an amateur rather than a professional. most customers can't tell the difference between the two, or why a professional design might be better for their business.
That's not complaining, that's informing. customers might not be aware of the things they get when they spend a little more money. (like real customer service, with a professional ready to target your site to a business's needs).
I know a few kids who started out a web design business by actually having real ideas of how to attract traffic, and who walk a customer through every decision. it's not really age that sets one apart from the amateurs. although younger and less experienced does not help you, you have to work a lot harder and try and extract some knowledge from every project you do when you're "just a kid". - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Never heard of "Radio Daddy."
But guess what...I've heard of them now. - jfence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I've never heard of Radio Daddy before today. I have a feeling that that might be part of why the guy worded things that way, to try and get them on the map. Either that, or he's an just an ill-spoken idiot.
While I would have to agree that there are some pretty bad podcasts out there, really a LOT of them, there are some real gems too. There are quite a few podcasters that I think can stand toe to toe with the best radio has to offer (especially nowadays). I for the most part have abandoned broadcast radio. The only exceptions are the few times I forget my MP3 player when I go out. The commercial-to-content ratio of radio has gotten so bad that for the most part, I just leave it off, even if I don't have the player with me. The few times I occasionally try to turn the radio on, I'm reminded why it's not worth it and I turn it back off. Even when you take commercials out of the mix (which doesn't leave much), there's just not much worth listening to there.
Broadcast radio is in trouble. Not because of podcasting, because I think a majority of people still don't get that yet, but just because, for the most part, they suck. A lot of people would rather talk on their cell phone than listen to some guy laugh at his own bad jokes stuffed in between commercials. Usenet-reminiscent troll tactics aren't likely to help them any. Heaven help them if/when the public at large DOES get a clue about podcasting. - halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@dogstylee
I'm sure your caustic attitude works well with your school buddies, but once you get into the real world, the rules change. You need to pick and choose what is and is not appropriate to say. Then you have to find a good way to say it.
The issue at hand is not WHAT RadioDaddy's representative said, but HOW he said it. Being careful and respectful with how you word what you say is not sugar coating, it's a means of maximizing the impact of your words while reducing negative reaction.
For example, the second e-mail reveals that RadioDaddy has ample reason for creating a "Professionals only" site, and merely summarizing a few examples would be enough to convey the message that there are a lot of podcasts produced by unprofessional and immature people.
The selective membership criteria then becomes a way of reducing already documented abuse, and is thus a bonus, a motivator to encourage people to WANT to be members.
By insulting and demeaning people, the selective membership process becomes elitist and arrogant, a negative that causes people to dismiss the service. The e-mail portrays RadioDaddy in the worst possible light. All the potential positives of the service are lost in a rant that didn't belong in professional correspondence. - SanityInAnarchy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Even more ironic when put in context:
"Please Digg this to let the wolrd see what an @ss these guys really are.
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Regards from one of the “feable minded” (mis-spelling theirs not mine)"
First, misspelling doesn't have to be hyphenated. Second, what "wolrd" are you from? Third do you even know what a comma is or are you just doing this to be "ironic"? - vmc1010, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ignorant fools. I would NEVER Do business with them again and I'm trying everything I can to cancel my login with them now. Thanks Rob for once again standing up for us in citizen media. No matter what our age is, "traditional" broadcasters who think like this will have to come to grips with the fact that it's a new day.
- OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1but will you now second guess the quality of your podcasts and realize that amateur podcasts are a painful to listen to, and having to sift through a thousand kids podcasting in their bedrooms to find that rare gem is almost not even worth the effort?
I'd say, strive to improve or quit. don't keep pushing forward with the same garbage programming if you can help it. - tkinnun0, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It doesn't mean you're better than someone else, but it doesn't mean you AREN'T better than someone else, either.
- cdtoad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2and your steam power! Bah! Any half witt and his brother can use steam power now! Why in my day it cost tens of dollars!
- halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@j4200
On Digg, if you click the "Submit a Story" link and aren't signed in, you get taken to a login page. You AREN'T taken through the process of submitting a story only to get a cryptic "You are not authorized" message at the end.
RadioDaddy.com doesn't tell you you need to be registered, even in their error message. They also let you enter the text of your post without having prompted you for a login. This is shoddy design that's hostile to the end user.
A competent webmaster would have either hidden the "Shout" link from non-registered users, or taken non-registered users to a login / register page when they clicked the link.
My complaint is not about the fact that they require registration to post to the site, but about the half assed, poorly thought out way in which they implemented it. - voiceoverguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Radiodaddy is the best! Podcasters suck hairy balls and they know it!
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