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- metalica77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+218Wow when would the RIAA and the MPAA get there heads out of there asses and understand that DRM is crap. It doesn't get you anything it just makes people want to pirate more. interoperability is the way to go.
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -2/+153It's not a matter of having heads up asses. They're delusional. Their collective minds are all insane. There's no way to fix it. The only way to deal with it is to get people (like Jobs) to reject them.
- EllisAshbrook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+95C'mon...they're just positioning and spreading dis-information. What else is new? Of course they can read and comprehend Jobs' letter. They're just trying to confuse the public and shift the "blame" for lock-in to Apple.
- fleetskeet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+76My 30gb iPod is full and none of it is DRM'd. What are you waiting on again?
- plgonzalez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+66Wasn't the RIAA supposed to be (basically) a group of lawyers... how did they read the message and miss the meaning?!
- aloe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+63They are responding to the issue they want to hear about. The same way politicians don't answer the question asked they answer the question they wish was asked.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52Man.
Every time I see a story on Digg or /. or somewhere else about the MPAA/RIAA (RIAA especially), I want to SLAM MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. Their stupidity and lack of understanding of consumers, music, and DRM in general is pathetic. I can't believe a group like this actually exists! They're just making the crapload of noise because they know within 10 years, they will become irrelevant.
Screw them. Greedy bastards. - xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55@ NSMike
Nobody wants DRM, or nobody* knows about DRM.
* general public. - wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45Because they are a group of lawyers and it was not written in legalese.
- ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Both my kids have iPods. Both iPods have tons of music on them, loaded by iTunes software. None of those mp3's have DRM and they work just fine. You can use an iPod and not worry about DRM at all.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37This is no big surprise. Ask anyone who deals with these guys...The mere mention of "digital" or "DRM-free" absolutely turns them bright red in the face as they launch a diatribe..."But they're STEALING our stuff!"
They've been in denial for years. - DonCarcharo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36"Jobs is a genius. I wouldn't EVER go near an Ipod, despite how "cool" everyone thinks they are, because of DRM. Apple isn't getting any of my money until the DRM crap is removed. Period. I can get a nice MP3 player to meet my needs, without giving in to Apple."
So because the player is *capable* of (doesn't force you to but rather allows the option of) playing DRM'd content you refuse to buy one? Now that's what I call taking a stand. :) - gotacid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35nsmike are you delusional?
I know a lot of people like to pick a side and stick with them on digg, but no matter what, the RIAA is the enemy here. If we concede that any DRM is acceptable as a standard then you loose. Jobs is right on this one just let them sell plain old unencrypted low fidelity AAC songs.
EDIT : I get the feeling nsmike is an RIAA plant, time to get the pitchforks and torches - steveatdownmix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37Yes, DRM is awful at preventing piracy, but that isn't the primary goal of DRM any longer. DRM (even DRM that can be broken with a single line of code) does a wonderful job at preventing innovation that is disruptive to their business models. You're delusional to think any differently.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Licensing the problem is not a solution to the problem.
Besides, if Apple licensed FairPlay, do you think the holders of the other DRM Schemes would follow suit? - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29They remind me of Sony. Which shouldn't be too surprising since Sony is a member of both groups.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@nsmike
Are you kidding? Fairplay is DRM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay
"FairPlay is a digital rights management (DRM) technology created by Apple Inc."
My god, you guys can't even see the forest for the trees. - waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25@nsmike
The RIAA would love it if Apple licenses FairPlay because it would bring their cost to publish down and increase their profit margin. Nothing to do with formats ... this is all about money. - MinorLemming, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25@nsmike:
You're absolutely 100% wrong here. Fairplay is Apple's DRM implementation as applied to media purchased from the iTunes store. It is ONLY about DRM, limiting what you can do with the purchases. It is fairly liberal in that it allows you to burn the media to CD and play it on up to 5 devices, but it is still DRM.
The 'proprietary format' of the music you buy from iTMS is standard AAC which is a defined format, and anyone can create media in this format assuming they have paid the license fees to the appropriate patent holders / licensees. - MinorLemming, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24@darkamster07
The RIAA are NOT a government body. They are a special interest group, representing the interests of record labels in the USA (NOT the artists as they occasionally claim). - slapjack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24@ nsmike...
i think you might want to read the "post" that Steve Jobs "wrote" yesterday on the Apple site. The upshot is that he bemoans the use of DRM but the "big 4" labels forced him into using DRM. - warsql, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24DRM is not about preventing piracy, it is about making you pay multiple times for the same content to play on different platforms. Buy the song once for your phone, once for your ipod. Buy the movie once for your dvd player and again for your hd-dvd player.
- Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23You can use an iPod and stay away from the music store.... Almost all MP3 player will have support for at least one store that sells DRM'd music, or at least ones that you can actually find in a regular store..
- KrazyA1pha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24They are obviously being sarcastic. They are responding to what they believe Steve Jobs should have said. The problem with their statement is that it doesn't change the facts. Steve Jobs released a statement filled with facts, and the RIAA responded with a sarcastic comment.
Good job, guys. - abcohen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21they didnt misread it - they're saying what they think it should have said!!!! and hoping there would be public pressure will make apple make that offer.
- playerZero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21@nsmike:
You know what? I disagree with what you've been saying, but it's a legitimate perspective. I didn't start burying you til this: "Unfortunately, we'll all be buried by the Apple loyalists before anyone with a brain reads our comments and realizes that we speak the truth."
I'm just really sick of that kind of *****. No one cares, dude. You're not a ***** victim, and your "truth" is just an opinion. Nice attempt at a defense though - anyone digging you down is obviously an Apple loyalist with no brain. - imcquill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20When you rip a CD in iTunes, it rips it DRM free. When you copy it to your iPod, it is DRM free. This is in contrast to Windows Media Player, which by default, rips everything with DRM. The only thing that has DRM in it are the songs that you buy online through the iTunes Music Store. It has nothing really to do with the iPod.
If you rip your CDs in windows media player, and do not turn off the DRM in the preference, and then you copy it to any MP3 player you have, it will have DRM on it. If you download music from most online stores, it will be DRM'ed. I'm not sure why the iPod is being blamed here. And it is definitely not something that other mp3 players are doing differently. - Skwerl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23@ nsmike
Maybe Apple will license Fairplay, when the other companies make their stores OSX compatible. - luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16The last line from Jobs post:
"Convincing them (Universal, Vivendi, EMI, Sony BMG)) to license their music to Apple and others DRM-free will create a truly interoperable music marketplace. Apple will embrace this wholeheartedly." - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Seems like spreading misinformation to me.
Anyone else interested in hearing a response from Jobs? I'd like to hear him (anyone important really) tearing them a new one if possible. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15@nsmike
Wrong. Fairplay is DRM that Apple applies to standard AAC files. It is in no way, shape, or form a music format.
Edit: Hell. Beaten to it by two posters. - steveatdownmix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'm a PC user, but I'm as close to an Apple loyalist that a PC user can get. DRM didn't help make the iPod what it is today. I think you're using "iPod" when you should be using "iTunes Music Store". What made the iPod is the fact that it can play the music that you already own in another format (legally).
I think Jobs is legitimately trying to get the Recording industry to drop DRM, but not for the reasons on the surface. He's trying to use the Recording Industry as an example to push the Motion picture Industry away from DRM. The motivation for this? Get rid of the DRM and your hands aren't tied behind your back to innovate. - mattjumbo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'm not trying to troll but an iPod plays MP3 format (and others) just fine. So why boycott the iPod. I know many people who use their iPod everyday and have never bought *anything* from iTunes.
- j.carcinogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12They are doing what lawyers do and manipulating and spinning the words to mean something else. It's a wonder people hate lawyers, and despise the RIAA.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Blame is on the RIAA... believe what you must to satisfy yourself though.
- thepromise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Seriously, all the man was saying was exactly what needed to be said... he doesn't need your cash. And DRM and the iPod do not go hand in hand- you can fill the whole thing up without any DRM on ANY of the music. The point here is that the entire music industry is broken, and people in high places, like Jobs, are the only ones who can really help to change the whole thing. This is a point missed by you- and by the RIAA... sorry, but yes, you just got put in the same sentence with the RIAA...
- pardonmedoug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@ nsmike: How much are they paying you? Just curious, thanks.
Been looking at your comments on other threads, you seem to take the RIAA's side a lot. Doesn't seem like a rational position for someone who doesn't have a vested interest. - pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Spot on. I think Steve's preparing the playing field for his big move. He's coming out in a big, public, P.R.-friendly way against DRM because he's about to announce that Apple Inc.(or even Steve on a personal level) has bought Apple Corps., and will license the Beatles catalogue exclusively to iTunes, DRM-free. This announcement will possibly come on 20 Feb, at Apple's rumored media event.
- dashiel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10i'm sort of loathe to trade one megalithic entity (riaa) for another (apple), but i have a feeling if apple were to start their own record label artists and consumers would be in a far better position than they are today -- not ideal mind you, but better. it would be nice to see apple do that and perhaps force the big4 to fall in line, or risk losing all their big acts to apple.
maybe there's more to the apple corp and apple inc deal than is publicly admitted so far. - jartek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Somebody email the RIAA with a link to digg, they might get a clue
- velocitychannel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Come on, people. The RIAA didn't have time to read the whole article by Jobs. They were too busy suing toddlers and old ladies.
- toxonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8RIAA: RTFA, STFU LOL!
I can see them skimming the article, eyes glossing over, brains oozing out of their noses.
'Lets respond quickly, while its fresh!'
I think the RIAA is a branch of the Church of Scientology. - Wyzard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@nsmike:
No, FairPlay is the DRM system. The audio format is AAC, which is an industry standard; it's MPEG-4 audio. There are DRM-removal tools that convert FairPlay-protected AAC files bought from the iTMS into ordinary unprotected AAC files that work with any AAC-capable player.
Edit: Beaten to it by *three* posters. :-) - MinorLemming, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You can own an iPod without ever having a single piece of DRM'd content on it. Just don't buy music from the iTMS - buy from a DRM free supplier (like eMusic) or rip from your own CDs.
There is nothing that says by owning an iPod you tie yourself to DRM. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I spend a lot of money on used CDs right now. The RIAA sees none of that money but the end result is un-DRMed music in AAC on my hard drive. If I could just skip the whole shipping and ripping step it would be more convenient for me and the RIAA would actually see some of my money for a change. They're probably too stupid to ever figure that one out, though.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7While I have no objection to Apple licensing FairPlay and opening up the iTunes store for other players (but I also see no reason why they should), the mere fact that the RIAA has come out and said they are in favor of it happening makes me think there's something else in the works. Anytime a major reason for something bad (DRM) comes out in favor of something, it seems to me we should question whether or not this is a good thing.
RIAA, get a clue. The various DRM schemes (FairPlay, Plays4Sure, and Zune) aren't keeping people that want to pirate from pirating. It just makes your potential customers think twice before buying your product. - pengu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@streak.
you're ***** ***** me right? are you on crack? or are you attempting to be funny? - profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"It just makes your potential customers think twice before buying your product."
Got that right. I've never purchased any kind of download (music or otherwise) for exactly that reason. And I've put more than a couple CDs back on the shelf after looking at the back and reading about copy protection. I know there are easy ways around it, but I'm not going to support those efforts. - Blizaine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8DRM on the iPod is a feature not a requirement. It lets you play legally downloaded songs... OR any un-DRM'd song you want.
I agree, DRM sucks. But, it's not like we are being forced to use it.
@bieber:
Why would you be sued for encoding your music as an MP3 or AAC? - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Rather than a link to someone's personal opinion about the letter, why not link to Jobs' letter -- and or the RIAA's response -- instead? I doubt that most of us care more what some individual blogger thinks.
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