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RIAA chief: We don't see a need for mandatory ISP filtering

arstechnica.com — The RIAA's Cary Sherman says that marketplace filtering solutions should be good enough; government regulation isn't needed. But Verizon has no plans to implement filters without a legal mandate.

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  • Ghiren, on 02/01/2008, -4/+68Of course... why settle for a technological solution when their legal one is making them so much money...?

    Some P2P services have already started encrypting their traffic to avoid bandwidth shaping, I don't see why that same technique couldn't fool an ISP filter. Trying to filter copyrighted content like this is a waste of time.

    Oh yeah, and of course the obligatory "***** the RIAA!!"... though is it really necessary if he's against the filtering?
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -3/+45See FILTERING means they won't have any infringement, and thus no revenue stream from lawsuits.
    The LAST thing they want is some sort of filter to prevent illegal downloads. They NEED these court cases to float their business.
  • zeusthemoose, on 02/01/2008, -1/+21***** the IFPI, ***** the RIAA, ***** the MPAA. ***** them all.
  • Subriot, on 02/01/2008, -7/+25***** THE RIAA.
  • ryanadc, on 02/01/2008, -3/+20No see they want the companies to filter on their own, not have the FCC tell them "YOU MUST FILTER OR FACE FINES"--it is not the case that the RIAA is totally against the filtering. It's just doublespeak. Move along, nothing new to see here.
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -2/+17Does anyone actually like the RIAA? (scumbag politicians and ignorant musicians don't count)
  • atheinostic, on 02/01/2008, -2/+16Everyone else: We don't see a need for the RIAA
  • soulmist, on 02/01/2008, -0/+13I applaud Verizon for taking this stance.
    Recently (two weeks ago) I discontinued my Comcast "high speed" Internet and replaced it with Verizon's 3.0 mb DSL plan.
    I couldn't be happier!

    It actually runs faster than the 8 mb/s Cable I used to have.
    Oh, and the 800 kb/s uTorrent download rates aren't too shabby either...
  • p2pblog, on 02/01/2008, -0/+11Too bad the RIAA's sister organization IFPI seems to think differrently:
    http://www.p2p-blog.com/item-476.html
  • DavidGX, on 02/01/2008, -0/+11I lol'd. You sir are an idiot.
  • kidlax, on 02/01/2008, -1/+10I wonder if the ISPs are simply using the RIAA, MPAA, etc. as a facade to being forced into filtering their content. Their are obvious reasons (see: gouging/profit) for an ISP to do this - mainly the fact that most oversell their capacity under the supposed assumption that the majority of users will only check email and not use their share of the limited resources. However if these media associations do hold enough power to turn the Internet into a dictatorship...someone hold me.
  • Rikkochet, on 02/01/2008, -0/+9He's not speaking as though he's exempted from their actions, guys, he's saying that he has a mac and therefore doesn't give a ***** about anyone or anything else in the universe.
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -1/+10We darn well do NOT need any government filtering of anything. This article
    http://www.scragged.com/articles/government-dont-k ...
    explains that our bureaucracy has grown so complex and so cumbersome that it's nearly impossible to get anything done. Unfortunately, this seems to be an inevitable result of the human tendency for bureaucrats to want more power and money over time as this article explains:
    http://www.scragged.com/articles/cynicism-and-teh- ...
  • NorthStateGonzo, on 02/01/2008, -0/+8Then Explain : Comcast?? TimeWarner??
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -2/+10We needs start to building our ownz internets!
  • Marijuana, on 02/01/2008, -2/+10Reason being for ISP's to filter is simple. The internet has gained threatening influence on our lives. We have youtube debates, presidents no longer need to be seen directly on T.V to gain recognition, it truly is the age of information. While it's a milestone for humanity, it kinda threatens the status quo which corporations are desperately trying to maintain. Filtering leads to censorship, so it should be a concern. btw, hell froze over the RIAA might actually be right this time.
  • chokeaduck, on 02/01/2008, -0/+8I fail to see how the operating system you are running is going to change the fact that ISPs may or may not filter content in the near future.
  • VeganG, on 02/01/2008, -0/+8"I'd tell the customers to use those ports for any P2P."

    And the Soccer Mom who uses Limewire would have no clue what you were talking about.
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -0/+7SHERMANATOR!
  • Uruz7, on 02/01/2008, -0/+6Exactly. This is what people need to understand. The ISPs and web hosting providers have immunity. Why would they want to implement something that costs them more money, takes more resources and holds them accountable for the content that their users share? RIAA are small fries compared to the major ISPs. They'll never get what they want.
  • Gaulven, on 02/01/2008, -1/+7It's probably just targeted advertising trying to tell you something.
  • mithrasinvictus, on 02/01/2008, -0/+6filtering would be an incentive for innovation in p2p networks which could mean their current detection methods will no longer work. (a newly designed p2p network will be a bigger challenge to spy on)
  • HarryEyeball, on 02/01/2008, -1/+6Any ISP that voluntarily filters traffic is a fool (yes, I'm looking at you Ma Bell.) Once you inspect the data you become liable for what is there, whether it is copyrighted, illegal, etc... Unless you are sure you can catch everything (and pay the huge cost for the technology to do so,) you're better off not knowing what is in the pipes.
  • JoeVet, on 02/01/2008, -1/+6Why would they want the ISPs to filter? The RIAA is making quite a profit from coercing $3000 out of college students.
  • aroot, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4Cary Sherman
  • JoeVet, on 02/01/2008, -1/+5Horney little bastard aren't ya. /s
  • aamittle, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4No.
  • Gabberwok, on 02/01/2008, -3/+7This article doesn't say the RIAA is against filtering of the internet, just that they want to use market forces to force the ISPs to filter their content instead of getting the government to pass any new laws. In other words, ***** the RIAA and the telecoms if they go along with it.
  • PFinn, on 02/01/2008, -1/+5Way to not suck Verizon, and of course the RIAA's only reason for not supporting filtering is because they would lose their litigation income. If ISP's start filtering (more) people will just find ways around it, and then the RIAA will be uber-***** because they will no longer get their litigation income but people would still be pirating material....... then where would they get money from? Heaven forbid they changed their business model to take advantage of all of the online possibilities
  • jcaino, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4lord help us please before he ***** us all.
  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -3/+6off topic: anyone else notice all the ads on digg lately are for zit creams and acne and *****?
  • geekee, on 02/01/2008, -1/+4You're too cheap to even pay for songs. Who will pay for the internet?
  • fani, on 02/01/2008, -0/+2I will encrypt all my P2P traffic. If anyone tries to break it, then I will sue them for violating DMCA
  • iNoles, on 02/01/2008, -0/+2LOL'd. If WoW fans has a Mac, he would said "You can't filter me because I have a Mac".
  • GregIsLegend, on 02/01/2008, -0/+2That's great and all but at this rate it's really just delaying the inevitable. I wouldn't be surprised if we find our precious internet federally regulated within the next five years.

    Imagine if we could get fined for saying "***** the RIAA" Online in the day time?
  • DeathAngel0125, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3"In Europe there has been much more of a regulatory approach to these issues." What a ***** hypocrite. What does he think the DMCA is?
  • Vorticity, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3I used to hate Verizon with a passion, but they rose a few pegs in my opinion here.

    As to the RIAA, I have heard enough uninsightful, useless rhetoric coming from some of their other representatives that it would take a lot more than this to take my opinion of them out of the gutter. They may be right (for once) but they are still taking candy from babies ... oh, I mean college students ...
  • SniperGX1, on 02/01/2008, -0/+2They provide poor quality service to their customers: Low speeds, bad service, high price, traffic shaping, false advertising, an open door for NSA spying, and now a tiered internet.
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  • inactive, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3"FTRIAA"
  • and303, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3I've already tried looking for alternatives to Comcast. Sadly, it is either slow torrents or dial-up.
  • theratdotus, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1sadly, that is all that counts in our reality...
  • Ghiren, on 02/03/2008, -0/+1He? They? Okay, you caught me. I yield to your superior use of pronouns.
  • thunder7, on 02/14/2008, -0/+1I remember this from a movie,...
    "Hack the Planet." & "Hacker's of the World Unite."
    Oh yeah it was from the movie 'hacker's'
  • lazyfisherman, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1I am skating in hell right now
  • praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -0/+1By the way, I was going to add that I, too, am currently using the Verizon 3 Mb/s plan and have gotten nowhere near 800KB/s download rate. I think the max I've ever gone to was 350 KB/s, which falls in line with the 3 Mb/s advertised speed.
  • jeet404, on 02/01/2008, -1/+2Pirate the internets?
  • mongocrush, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1You all have this wrong.

    The RIAA doesn't want the Government to get involved because they (the Government) will make filtering/shaping of data illegal.
    Do you get it now?
  • jamesd78, on 02/01/2008, -1/+2The RIAA doe'snt want to go up against a company with unlimited legal funding to totally ass rape them.
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