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- GerbilSoft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8In Soviet Russia, file shares YOU!
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Russia says твою мать.
- CreepingDeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4subtonic: Actually allofmp3.com pays royalties to their collection agencies, who inturn pay them to the artists, directly. Its impossible to know the exact dollers and cents going from the russin ROM's to american artists -VS- what they get from physical CD sales elsewhere after the record company, management, etc all take their cuts. Neither side is that transparent.
Personally I've used allofmp3 for years and I consider them to be the only ones that have gotten this digital music thing right. For the record, I have not bought a new CD in over 5 years. I bought used before that, and before that I was swapping tapes in high-school.
All of you that are on the RIAA's side of this, do yourself a favor and go look up their SALES figures for the last 5 years. I believe you will find they have been increasing. Sure music "SHIPMENTS" are down, but that is simply the result of tighter supply chains. Stores don't get 500 copies of a new CD anymore, they order 100, or 50, and when those start selling, order more.
I do however, think what the RIAA is doing right now is a great thing. They will create such hatered in the next generation that it will accelerate their demise. Every time they sue another grandmother, or 12 year old girl, or working mother of 5, etc they put another nail in their own coffin.
The "Recording Industry" will not be missed. From the Payola scandels of old, to the sleezy A&R men, to the draconian contracts, to sueing your own customers, they've shown time and again that they just don't care, or just don't get it. - CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4can someone tell the RIAA that this ruse of self-preservation will only last one generation? The generation of people they are ***** over right now wont have any problem sharing mp3s. Why? Because every artist knows they dont make money on the cd.
Enjoy your death throes, you disgusting, maggot-infested, self-preserving, slime-dealing, artist-enslaving organization. - adam.lindsay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IMHO its simple economics of bit rate. CD's are 1411kbps and cost ~$14.00. So if I want my music in AAC 320 then it should cost ~$3.00. Its the online services that charge $10 for 128kbps. Thats the real crime. Oh how I pitty the ears of their listeners.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3u mean allofmp3.com charging only 10 cents a song
- nailerr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bless Russia! A country not scared to tell the RIAA they have NO AUTHORITY.
- duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its sad how the ***** music & movie corporations run this country.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2> Why in the world do you people pay to download songs on Allofmp3?
For the rebel in me: for no other reason than to piss the RIAA off.
For the economist in me: to establish an economic baseline for the actual worth of encoded music.
For the consumer in me: so that I have an alternative to iTunes.
...actually, the reasons are endless. I'm surprised you even ask the question; you see very dim.
The only thing that I really fear is that eventually, the music cartel pay the right fee to the right person and AllofMP3 will go away, very suddenly and very mysteriously. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Point taken fa pa
digg twice over - Duncan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Awesome headline.
*golf clap* - fa_pa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2allofmp3.com is an awesome source for music IMO and if the riaa takes them down two weeks later allofogg.com will go up again ;)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Nobody is completely sure if artists get paid.
As opposed to the RIAA regime, where we are quite sure the artist doesn't get paid. - mpdman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just to get a few things across here....
1) the RIAA does NOT represent all artists in the country or all companies in the USA
2) Under the RIAA listing they divide companies into many subgroups to make them seem larger than they really are
see http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp since when is "Family Guy Soundtrack" a company?
3) Some of the ones listed are incorporated overseas and therefore are exempt from corporate income taxes in the USA. The most notible ones being Sony (Japan), BMG (Germany) and Virgin (UK)
It's easy to get free/dirt cheap music....let's count the ways
1) p2p
2) allofmp3.com
3) libraries...wow try banning those eh...
4) copying ones from a libarary or a friends...how can they stop this?
The RIAA is being complete and utter morons in terms of pricing. Take any store flyer and look up a movie on DVD and a audio cd...soundtracks for movies cost more than the movies themselves! DVD's can be had for $7 but cd's haven't dropped that much in price...technologywise it's far cheaper to make a cd so what gives?
Yes I know musicians I have a friend with one band and a relative in another. You make money in music by going on tour because that's being with the fans... - sdbrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Since allofmp3 is in sketchy legal territory, I recommend using www.bleep.com when you can.
- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of Allofmp3.com is a scam."
Nonsense. I'll bet a million bucks YOU screwed up. I have been using AllOfMp3.com for two years now, I've dropped nearly a thousand dollars with them, and never once had a single problem with payment. - jiminoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if you shut down all of mp3 in russia a new one will pop up in china. they are a reactive group and not proactive, hence the riaa will never win the war. ***** the riaa
- Subtonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The problem with AllofMP3.com, though, is that for any of the music that's not from an RIAA associated label, from the "real" musicians that so many of you speak of, they aren't being compensated either. They are also hurting from Allofmp3.com. If you want to download your RIAA music from the site, alright I suppose, but you're kidding yourself if you think you're helping any kind of progress in the recorded music industry by downloading everything from there.
And if you don't want to download music from iTunes, AND you want to support the indie artists and labels, there's no better value than Emusic. I've been using it since September now. It's great, indie music, and if I can tell the indie labels and artists that they've got a chance, that's great. - h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2iTunes is DRM loaded money-sucking load of steaming dog *****.
AllofMp3 is the model of music downloads if RIAA really wants people everywhere to PAY for their music. - FluidReality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is this you ?
http://www.dyinggiraffe-recordings.com/music.php?p=muf
sounds cool... - FluidReality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mynameismuf
Thanks man, i didnt know about those !
I'll give them a listen ! - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Russia, What a country!!!
- duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"with the RIAA, that treat their artists fairly, and are trying to make things better for musicians and music fans."
Ok, lets take a minute and see whats wrong witht hat sentance.... - ultraelite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0just got a $50 gift certifcate for christmas and now this
- crapiolio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0RIAA will keep fighting this losing battle till the end of the world.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In Soviet Russia, MP3 plays YOU
- gader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They will never stop this. In Russia every corner store, every street vendor and every kiosk sells pirated CD's, DVD's and software. Its a whole dam industry over there. I'm talking major stores that sell nothing but pirated warez. I don't know how they get them, but may last trip through I picked up a half dozen 1st quality flicks that just hit the theaters in the US. All for less than $20. This is one country that wont change their tune.
- Subtonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There was absolutely nothing wrong with that sentence until it was taken out of context. Believe it or not, there are labels that aren't affiliated with the RIAA, and these crusades against the RIAA are hurting those labels because of uninformed music fans that make no distinction between them and the huge labels.
- h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As long as I can hear the music good, I don't give a ***** about kbps. ***** CDs.
- Subtonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry Mother, I call BS. That's precisely why it's a gray area. Nobody is completely sure if artists get paid.
And how many people who use Allofmp3 actually send money directly to the artist? Groups aren't set up that way, and I'm guessing that if you're using the site to save a few bucks you're not going to bother trying to find out how to send money directly to an artist. The day that model is setup (based completely on somekind of honor system, like the people who say "I would if I could!") I don't think you'll see much activity there either. What would also help those artists more is if their album sales from Allofmp3 counted towards Soundscan statistics. Does allofmp3 even submit those figures? - freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0they can make it bigger
faster
stronger
and CHEAPER!
and the riaa thought they [russia] were just good for the vodka to spike the punch @ the christmas party... - Joe091, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They'll have to pry allofmp3.com from my cold, dead hands.
- hochy0lora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0riaa is retarded they have no jurisdiction in other countries lmao
- terrya64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll keep getting all my music from allofmp3 and if anything ever happens to them ,I'll go back to the newsgroups.
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh big EL OH EL for the RIAA. Russia you MUST give in becuase the RIAA said so. Oh NOES!!1
- Bigmrj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow! Now they're shooting their mouths off at the Russians? Can somebody tell me exactly when the RIAA became a world superpower?
- phillyjack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Russian Mob runs everything over there the RIAA is nuts to mess with them. I would like to see them go over there and serve them a subpoena. Their crazy like moose and squirrel.
- metjer10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Recording industry asssociation of AMERICA
- hmurray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Artists must be thrilled when they receive their cut of the $1.50 per album at allofmp3.com."
I'd be surprised if Madonna expects her CDs to sell for US $15 in Russia or China or India. The reason U.S. businesses outsource to these places is that the salaries are five to ten times lower.
Put another way, if CDs here cost roughly $150, Best Buy wouldn't sell a whole hell of a lot of them. - geeke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0RIAA is retarded they have no jurisdiction in other countries I guess these dumb ***** that work for RIAA forgot what RIAA means? You fools will never stop filesharing!
- jlawson1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0allofmp3.com rocks!
- chronicon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOL, if for nothing else I dugg this cuz the title was so funny. That's right RIAA, you tell 'em, man! Who do the Russians think they are? They must bow to your awesome might or else... uh... er... hmmm... Well just because you said so, that's why!
- AttroPheed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Russian's can't even police themselves in areas where it matters what makes them think they're gonna waste resources on file sharers.
- Imagine3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sdbrown, Why would you go to bleep.com? you pay $1.35 per song. its better to just buy it from itunes and strip the DRM. Also haven't you seen the figures of what an artest makes to put out a CD? Its something like $200,000 in the hole. They put themselves into debt by releasing albums. big artests only make money when they tour because the label can't touch the majority of their profits. This is why you see big names touring 10 months out of the year, and then in the studio for 3-4 months, then another 10 month tour. its how they get their moeny. Russia, keep on rocking.
- Brak710101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In Soviet Russia, the music pirates YOU!
- ptknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@stark23x
"I have been using AllOfMp3.com for two years now, I've dropped nearly a thousand dollars with them"
Come again? - mother, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Sorry Mother, I call BS. That's precisely why it's a gray area. Nobody is completely sure if artists get paid."
Just because the artist doesn't get paid diddly (which I am completely sure of) doesn't add in any grey area (legally).
"If you're really about supporting musicians then you cannot be for allofmp3.com."
Musicians are people who like to play music. Performance artists are people who sell music to make money. If we all would buy music only from sites like allofmp3 the performance artists would disappear and the musicians would have a chance at making a living again.
If you don't support cheap/free music you're not supporting musicians you're supporting performance artists. - Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"What ends up happening is that the whole forest gets burned down when really all you wanted to do is cut down one tree."
Actually I wanted to cut industrial size towers and PLANT a forest :)
Even if RIAA was a forest, you somtimes have to burn the whole damn thing to ashes before a new, better and thicker forest takes it's place. In the natural world this process can take up to 20+ years, in the information world, RIAA's fall and replacement will be done and over with in under a month...tops. Especially since the "seeds" have already been planted and are ready to burst through (p2p, BT, etc.). - Subtonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am not referring to the RIAA as a forest. I'm talking about the recorded music industry, whether from RIAA labels, indie labels, or even some guy's bedroom.
Let me make myself clear. I don't like the RIAA as much as you do, for the same reasons you don't.
But it's hypocritical to say "support musicians" and then go to allofmp3.com to download their music. Many believe that allofmp3.com is a completely legal service and give the proper payouts to musicians. It surprises me that these people don't question why/if musicians are getting paid more in licenses by allofmp3 if they sell a song at a high bitrates or lossless formats, or even less if a user chooses an extremely low bitrate. It simply doesn't work like that. Licensing 4 minutes of music should cost allofmp3.com the same amount of money no matter what it's encoded in, that is if the service is legit and money actually manages to get to musicians. Of course, that's based on US law and maybe in Russia it's different. Maybe the service is legal, but you've got to admit that it's at least questionable that it's legit.
Saying that you should download through P2P/allofmp3, etc and send artists a direct payment is not a strong argument because most artists are not set up to receive those payments. It is also not a strong argument to say go to a show in lieu of paying for a recording because maybe that artist won't be touring anywhere near you. That, and you may have gone to the show anyway if you bought the CD.
It's upsetting that the RIAA is doing these heinous things, but it's also upsetting that some people simply do not buy music anymore in the name of protesting the RIAA, considering that not all music is associated with the RIAA. That's what I'm really talking about; innocent independent artists also available on allofmp3.com. Behavior like this leads me to believe that oftentimes this is not a crusade against digital rights management, abusive corporations, and the bullying of the basic human want of sharing music that's become a part of you, that's touched your life in some way. In these cases it's become a misled reason for never having to pay for music again (or at least getting it at an EXTREME discount), thus not supporting musicians, the exact opposite of what should be occuring.
If you're really about supporting musicians then you cannot be for allofmp3.com. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>> The generation of people they are ***** over right now wont have any problem sharing mp3s. Why? Because every artist knows they dont make money on the cd.
I think a small clarification is in order...they don't make money on CDs that are sold *through the traditional supply chain*. If the artist is selling the CDs themselves(as with some bands I've seen on garageband.com), a very high percentage of the revenue goes right into their pockets.
I believe there may be a time when the RIAA will no longer be needed. Yes, it will mean that people won't be able to rely on the regular industry-led spoon-feedings, but people will be able to take a more active role in identifying and enjoying artists that produce good music. The upside is that it will reflect the notion of consumer choice FAR more than the current system. -
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