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- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+84Seriously. My university's network is already crippled to the point that I would have never even considered this school if I had known about it (had it been this way before I got here).
My network is capable of 4 mbps up and down, and then all of a sudden last semester, they cap our bandwith at -60kbps-. That's nearly dialup speed. On T3. Plus, they block -all torrents- and all P2P apps. Now P2P I could understand, but torrents aren't just for piracy and I think it's rediculous to block them. And 60kbps cap is just pathetic.
The sad thing is, we have a LAN file sharing hub with over 3TB of data, so we can pirate at 600kbps, but if we want to do, I dunno... research, we have to wait 10 years for the sites to load.
If the RIAA had their way we would have no internet... Just DRMed CDs that let you play only on Liscensed CD players during autorized hours at autorized volume levels in RIAA approved sound proof rooms to ensure no one else can hear your music.
Oh my god I hate these people. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+89Dear RIAA/MPAA:
Go eat a dick.
Thanks,
College students of America - DarkJedi375, on 10/12/2007, -2/+56First universities started limiting internet bandwidth to help put an end to piracy at schools...What next? Limiting your network bandwidth? Only 5 file transfers per day? It's going to either get really ugly, or the RIAA is going to admit that there's no way to stop it.
By the way, my sister listens to my music over my home network...let's put her in jail for piracy. - Rigbymatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46the RIAA is not going to admit that piracy is unstoppable.
EVER. - popophobia, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32I guess RIAA try to get the students to get their ass up, burn a DVD and walk across the university campus to share. Why the heck do they interfere with Univ. LAN network for? This is just dump. Next thing you know, devices that fetch music from your computer for stereo system through your LAN will also be prohibited. It still considers sharing music in their standard - Being able to play from 2 or more places.
God, what is this country becoming? Some kind of corporate form? - aaronlidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27are they gonna stop the US postal service because people send spindles of DVD-RWs with pirated movies/music/software too?
- ToastedDoom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25First off, I pay for my software and my music. Having said that:
Why is downloading music akin to stealing? If I paid for my copy of Bush: Sixteen Stone (which I did) and I download 'Glycerin' off a torrent, does that make me a thief?
Along the same lines, if I want to protect my legal $50 copy of the Extended Edition of LOTR by making backup copies, and I circumvented the DVD protections to do it, does that make me a thief?
Overall, I'm finding that people are throwing around words like 'theft' and 'stealing' when there seems to be any kind of copyright violation. Is that an effort to make me feel bad that I don't play by the industry rules (even though I paid for it my legal copies)? It seems to me that 'theft & stealing' are moral concepts that are mutually exclusive of committing copyright violations. I would call it what it is, a copyright violation.
To those who disagree with me, here is a situation where I will readily [and respectfully] change my mind: show me evidence where someone was prosecuted for 'theft' (petty or not) for illegally copying or modifying software, instead of 'copyright violations' and I will yield.
Tone of voice: respectful, concerned. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Because of land filtering we just setup wifi trade spots cheap computers with a AP connected to it.
It didn't run over the school network so unless you knew it was there. You could not see it.
No Internet troubles no school network troubles.
File sharing will find a way. - ZenKai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17From what I understand the RIAA is planning on prosecuting the Humming/Whistling of copyrighted materials next. From there, I believe that walking at a fixed cadence will land you in hot water. Me? I'm trying to get a copyright on the human heartbeat.
- DesertSquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17@Zweben
I hear ya man. I'm on campus at a Tennessee school and they have pretty much blocked every way out of this school and limited the bandwidth to Netzero levels (on a good day, you can download a file at 20 kbps.) No bittorrenting, no P2P, not even Unreal Tourniment (they even tried to block WOW, but a riot nearly broke out in response, so they opened that back up.) This has not only lead to a severe decrease in the number of students who live on campus, but those that due share almost everything they own through Windows networking. The speeds on that are great, but they have destroyed any sense of speed that the server had left. Oh yeah, we only have a T1. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I'm wondering who is giving the RIAA its data or how it is getting done. Could this be done through a third party installing spyware on PCs to monitor networks? That'd make for a very interesting story if someone can track how their getting their data (if it isn't blind guessing).
- rsteinke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I have 87 gigs of music I don't own on the campus network shared on iTunes. Come get me.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15The president sets policy. The IT dept implements that policy.
- newezra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Screw the networks. Let's get back to passing around mix tapes!
Side A: Classic Rock hits of 1982
Side B: Underground Hiphop from 1985 - blackbelt88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13At least we still have the ol' sneakernet. Nothing like a 300 gig external hard drive and a USB cable.
- Madh2orat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The RIAA has announced a fool-proof way of getting rid of all piracy. It has been scientifically proven, that if they make no more cd's, sign no more deals, and make all music "DRM-Free" there will be no more piracy.
(Sarcasm)
Then again, I always liked the idea of shooting them all, Shakespeare said "Lets kill all the lawyers" I'd like to add to that, "Lets kill all the RIAA's Lawyers"
(Dead Serious) - Ruckus21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13It never ceases to amaze me how much time, effort and money these thugs put into tracking to the corners of the earth every one who wants to share their product. If some of that energy could be put into improving the product and some of the money put into lowering prices, we could all live happily ever after. (and then I woke up)
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Amen.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"Why the heck do they interfere with Univ. LAN network for?"
Because college students traditionally buy a lot of music. If they can get the music for free, that's more money to spend on an iPod. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I agree. It is different from stealing a bottle of soda from a store. Why? Because it only hurts someone if you were planning on buying the music but downloaded it for free instead. Someone put in time and effort into making that bottle of soda. The store you stole it from loses real money.
20 years ago just about everyone shared songs on tapes. Nobody was made to feel like thieves yet the concept is the same. The only difference is that the quality is improved. Since the music industry has given up trying to add quality beyond what you can get from a digital file, they have decided to change the game. In the process they have lost respect of most music/movie lovers. - jgclark123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@kylebeckman
Do they allow microwave ovens and 2.4 GHz cordless phones? They can cause interference, too.
BTW: Digg's spell checker thinks you spelled your username wrong, Mr. Lieberman. (I ***** you not, kylebeckman = Lieberman.) - NyQuil, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16They are realizing that they can't really stop this kind of piracy with the current ways network sharing works... thus they use terrorist propaganda tactics to fool ignorant people into thinking that they can get in trouble for allowing it.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17"thus they use terrorist propaganda tactics to fool ignorant people into thinking that they can get in trouble for allowing it."
You're worse than the Bush administration in throwing around the word terrorism - bordo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Someone should send them a letter w/ that very message along with a dildo and a fork & knife.
- natmaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The University of Texas at Austin's "ITS" recently shutdown a hub for filesharing within the network. They finally started paying attention when the share size got to over 30 terabytes in size.
The person running the hub was required to shut it down and associated components, as well as doing 40 hours of community service for ITS. This protected him from the MPAA and RIAA. - waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Better get rid of any speakers you own, because playing music loud on them can be considered broadcasting and someone can copy/recording of that and put it on their IPod, so you'll get 10 years in jail.
- nathanrobinson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8plan B? encrypt it. problem solved!
then... if the RIAA wants to see if you are sharing something, they actually have to connect and download it, which, if they do, is invalid in the court of law (illegal search and seizure). If they catch you by then sharing the data, then it's also IS&S.
And the beauty of this? They can't sniff the network (what they do now) and then try to break the encrytion, because it would violate the laws (DMCA) THEY created! hell.. you could even have a simple ceaser cipher....
power to the pirates! - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9My brother at Western University in Washington uses the huge LAN network the students have created there. It's incredible. p2p programs are blocked but this massive network works so much better.
You can find EVERYTHING on the network. Any dvd/program etc. without bittorrent. And they download at speeds of at least 100mbit.
It made me so jealous when i was using it, that I decided to apply for the college (besides it being a great school). - solidblu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8When I went to a major university of one of the states listed they set up a weekly download limit of 2 gigs and upload of 512 megs which then forced us to set up a Direct Connect server. After it started to catch on they realized it saved them money on bandwidthand aslong as they set up the routing right it didn't effect any other departments. So the arguement that it is taking up vauble bandwidth is shaky at best.
And in case you are wondering if I went to the same one you did.. Via la Optimus Prime... if that means nothing then you didn't... - ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Damnit, i think this is how they found out about the LAN DC++ server at my old university. That thing was awesome. Oh well, I already graduated so it doesnt affect me too much, but its still sad to see it go.
- iisamu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6even though a lot of universities "prohibit" student operated wifi connections, no one is there to really enforce it. in the little hall in my dorm alone there were at least 10 wifi connections all set up with shared files. College kids will find ways regardless of whats "prohibited"
- CyberTroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6nathanrobinson, then the RIAA would get a bill passed saying it is illegal for any P2P program to incorporate encryption as it is helping to facilitate piracy.
You may think I'm nuts for suggesting it but just look at the latest proposed laws.l - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@DesertSquirrel: Are you at Tennessee Tech? My sister's there right now, and that's what she's experiencing.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I wonder when will their start going after the people that give their CDs and DVDs to their friends for the weekend. Because that is not much more different than file sharing, now is it?
- mo0o0ocow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Weekly? Lucky...we have a MONTHLY limit of 2 gigs total (for all off-campus traffic, that is. On campus traffic is unlimited. :D).
- waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7RIAA, MPAA, everyone else, just has to learn that whatever can be created, can also be recreated. Throttling intellectual property that can be digitized like music, movies, software, etc. is like plugging holes in a dam; eventually it'll just break.
You hear that RIAA/MPAA? You're just a little Dutch boy and you're going to get your ass beat like an Amsterdam whore ... - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6MAFIAA was an april fools joke, genius.
- killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's why i like being at a small college.. the IT dept. only cares if they get a letter from the RIAA/MPAA.. cross network sharing, they could care less (unless you are constantly dumping gigs of files off your computer, then you might get disabled) but even then.. it's a slap on the wrist and you are enabled an hour after you bring your computer in for detox of p2p programs.
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What you're talking about is the difference between fair use and theft, the former of which the RIAA and MPAA would desparately like us all to forget about. Technically, the entire concept of Macrovision and other anti-piracy technologies is in its own way borderline illegal, since it directly infringes upon our fair use rights. Since laws were passed saying we could exercise fair use, adding such technology is technically infringing on our rights.
That being said, comparing stealing a song to stealing a bottle of soda is a very good analogy. Time and money went into making that song as well (unless you think that recording equipment, CD printing, download servers, and the like are all free, of course), and probably astronomically more expensive than making a bottle of carbonated sugar water. Obviously, if you don't buy it, then the people who made the music don't get paid. They don't get paid, they have to find different jobs, your music stops. So, yes, you should pay for it if you like it, and delete it if you don't.
Saying, "I downloaded it for free because I wasn't planning on buying it," is one of the more impressive attempts at convoluted logic to justify stealing that I've seen yet, but it's still stealing. That would be a cool argument in court, though. "Sure I stole the car, but it's okay because I wasn't planning on buying it, anyway." - kowcop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I am guessing they ask the people they catch who their source is... like when police catch drug dealers. a lot of people would probably give up their source thinking it might grant them some leniency, who knows.. I can imagine this is where they would get their info. Either that or the RIAA staff just ask their kids
- Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Am I missing something? How is the RIAA able to find out about these LAN servers? Through hacking into them ILLEGALLY? Unless I'm wrong it's either that or someone is singing like a bird. Just something I'd like some clarification on.
- spartan018, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i'd also be curious to see a list of schools that cap internet speed and packet shape/totally block. i'm applying for college this year, and i'd prefer to go somewhere where the internet connection hasn't been raped by un-informed officials.
- DarkJedi375, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Maybe it was a poor choice of words, but I meant the RIAA would just back out of LAN sharing and go back to it's standard "ATTACK EVERYONE ON THE INTARWEBS" strategy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5we have 41TB's on our network.(University at Buffalo)
- spartan018, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4then why only 40 universities? by your logic they'd be sending a letter to every university and college. i wouldn't put it past the RIAA/MPAA to use not-exactly-smiled-upon methods to obtain info on which universities to write to. after all, they do seem to follow a "the ends justify the means" mentality with most/all of their recent anti-piracy activities.
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Do they allow microwave ovens and 2.4 GHz cordless phones? They can cause interference, too.
BTW: Digg's spell checker thinks you spelled your username wrong, Mr. Lieberman. (I ***** you not, kylebeckman = Lieberman.)"
Actually, no, at my school. They do prohibit 2.4 ghz phones. Again, its not something that is enforced, but you're technically not allowed to have ANY item that runs on the same frequency as the wireless here. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If you are sharing music via p2p, torrent, etc., you are in direct competition with the copyright holder (working through iTMS, Rhapsody, etc.). This lowers the value of their songs because it affects the price at which they can be sold. I.e. the more expensive the song, the more likely someone uses your free service. If the free service does not exist, more people will pay more money for the songs legally. Therefore, you have diminished the value of someone's property by influencing the price the seller sets, which is far more harmful than walking out of Tower Records with a stolen CD.
- SakisRakis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am at the University of Utah, and filesharing is pretty much free. There is a 1 gig per day upload limit and that is about it. If I upload too much, my MAC adress gets blocked but SMAC takes care of that
- boscorelle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5solution:
http://waste.sourceforge.net/
-been around for a while but still effective :) - solidblu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well here is my guess on how why the RIAA and MPAA are doing things like this and address your concern. My guess is that they are want it to be enforced like speeding in a car is enforced. Some places you just can't get away with it at all and the police will pull you over for anything more than the speed limit. Other places unless you are doing 20 mph over the speed limit they won't even blink. Meaning somethings like sharing all your music with thousands of strangers that no of you paid for they don't want to happen. But backing up your music and putting it in a locked box that you need a hair sample, blood sample, and thought recognition password (from story earlier) would be acceptable because you are a valued customer.
Do I totally agree with what they are doing? Nope.
If i was a dying organization trying to stay alive because I don't want to/feel its not my job to adapt to a changing industry and economy would I do the same thing? Probably -
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