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- siphre, on 11/26/2007, -1/+30Canada uses both Civil Code(Quebec) and Common law (Everyone else except Quebec) so it falls under Quebec's Civil code then it will only apply to Quebec.
- inactive, on 11/26/2007, -1/+20These underhanded jerks certainly planning to go after the larger sites by using precedents set against those who can't afford to defend themselves properly.
- siphre, on 11/26/2007, -1/+18in fact, I'm going to bury for being inaccurate because the article says the law may set precedence which isn't possible under Civil Code. Only in Common Law can you set precedence
- inactive, on 11/26/2007, -2/+17The information presented in this article is misleading.
First of all, this is entire thing was initiated by the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association). In Canada, the copyright includes the "sole right to reproduce the work [...] in any material form whatever". That means that in Canada, you're technically not even allowed to make a backup. http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-42/whole.html
Now, since this is in fact a law, the CRIA made the argument that everyone who uses p2p in Canada is guilty of copyright infringement. The Canadian government had to either agree or change the law. They agreed in order to prevent the CRIA to request warrants that would allow them to sue individuals. The CRIA is in it's right here.
Originally, the CRIA wanted to sue every single person that uses torrents and p2p, like they are trying to do in the United States. They wanted the right to get your IP and sue you. The CRIA is made up of the exact same people who make up the RIAA. It's just their Canadian franchise and includes Canadian record producers (insignificant compared to Universal, Sony, etc.)
The Canadian government, in all it's greatness, decided to shut down all Canadian torrents and p2p, with legal action INSTEAD of letting the CRIA sue the people who download intellectual property. It's a compromise meant to protect citizens from legal action.
Quebectorrent can't possibly win. They represent a mechanism of law infrigement. They can't make the argument that they have the right to do what they do because the law clearly states that they don't. And if Quebectorrent were to win and demonstrate that they are not the ones guilty of the crime, then the blame would fall on their users, and they would HAVE to release usage records, by Canadian law. Failure to do so would mean jail time for the owners. And if they made revenue from publicity on the torrent's website (I don't know if they did or not) the crown could even make the argument that they represent a criminal organization. - Andareed, on 11/26/2007, -2/+10Yes, y'all better do something about it.
- thall, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8In Canada private copying of music is still legal, it's just that the receiver of the copy must be the one that performs the act of copying. On the internet, Canadian court ruled that uploading music in broadcast fashion is illegal, but downloading it is legal. However, new legislation is about to change all that:
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007/11/19/copy ... - Yatti420, on 11/26/2007, -2/+10Cmon... QuebecTorrent Must Fight!
- tarquell, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7whoa.. now there is a thought!!...
- insllvn, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8Goddammit what is the first rule? The first ***** rule people!
- rpgguy1o1, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6but....
my 15gb worth of downloaded animaniacs episodes are useless without the weed! - notfred, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6Well, Demonoid was hosted in Canada, and where is that today?
- inactive, on 11/26/2007, -1/+6Copyright and distribution laws are federal laws.
- simplistics06, on 11/26/2007, -4/+9whats even more disturbing is that the mpaa/riaa could be setting up these small torrent sites themselves then take them to court for the future legal precedent in that country.
- mousky, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4The CRIA does not represent the Canadian recording industry. It represents foreign record companies in Canada.
- Le3f, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4'sti...
- kingcam, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4That is a false statement. Quebec does have a Common law system but that is ONLY for the dominion of public law (ie. Administrative, constitutional and criminal law); all Private law is handled using Quebec's Civil Law code. Since this is a lawsuit it will be tried under civil law thus not able to set a precedent for Canada outside of Quebec (Technically it can't set a precedent at all).
- bezoard, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3No french dont fight... BUT QUEBECOIS OUI TABARNAK!
- Triachus, on 11/26/2007, -1/+4I too, am a bitter anglo living in Quebec. There there, I understand.
- kingcam, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3This is a Tort case, thus it is subject to Quebec's Civil law, as such it cannot set a precedent.
- musntSurfatWork, on 11/26/2007, -3/+6Quebec should go after business changing company names every 2 years for tax evasion purposes. Instead they waste my tax dollars on making sure French is predominant on the WWW, and trying for the 34th time to separate from Canada while wanting to keep all of Canada's Benefits intact. Unfortantely we in Canada have the same Loony Leadership as in the USA, so your George Bush is our Quebec Politics.
- Le3f, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3Don't talk about fight club?
- kingcam, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3That new legislation will likely be defeated when challenged in court since we Canadians are already paying a royalty (I think it is like 20%) on all blank media to the media companies because it can be used for copyright infringement. If there is a court challenge it is likely that the Judge will find that we already payed for the files via the royalty.
- Le3f, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3Ahhh but Videotron has the worst f*cking newsgroups ever... that's why quebec torrent was popular.
- SteveMax, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3Usenet, Usenet, Usenet.... Just keep repeating it. This way they'll keep trying to shutdown Usenet.com, and keep the rest of "teh usewebs" alone.
- Le3f, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2"QT: They chose QuebecTorrent as a target because, as they said, they could not find the name and address of any other Canadian torrent website administrator."
lol, i bet that guy is kicking himself... - BoneheadFarker, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3I would have thought they'd know by the second rule...
- LeToubib, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2It's maybe just cause you're a racist.I'm from Quebec and it's cause of peoples like you than we want to be separated from Canada.You're the shame of your people.You said you're happy if whatever happen here...I think you just didnt get it dont you?Anyway,thanks for the comments...we can see how much bright you are hahaha.It's like to shoot himself in the feet.
Bravo Champion!!! - rayray14, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Mon tabarnacle d’ostie de calisse d'americain, commence même pas!
- rpgguy1o1, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2you can't make a Canadian joke and then say you're from the northeast. you're from the not-as-south-east-as-florida.
- need4speed, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2wait a sec! isn't it legal for canadian to download copyright things?
- philg66t6, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Shut the hell up stupid big fat american who loves Guns and Georges Bush and dont care about poluting the air that your breathing!
- Psionic3, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2I think you are mistaken. Canada uses Common Law and Quebec has both Common Law and Civil Law codes (common from British and civil from France). So this would be Common and therefore precedent setting for the rest of Canada.
- SecretChief, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1In any case, if the legal tactic is so obvious, it is time for the bigger sites and the "community" to help QuebecTorrent to the best of their ability.
- diablozx9, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1NO.
Copyright fees are part of CD and DVD price (in Canada)
If you download and store of CD/DVD,,,, you paid copyright fee.
that = legal....... - inactive, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Thats bad news for torrents, but good for people that used them at least. It seems canada does care more to protect its citizens than the usa would.
- cliffski, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1grow up.
- ladube291005, on 12/03/2007, -0/+0all torrent is great, please all people , support.
- Glaurung000, on 12/04/2007, -0/+0This case has actually nothing to do with quebec in particular. Since this law apply to all canada.
- jbs83hygieniks, on 12/02/2007, -0/+0QUEBEC TORRENT WILL NEVER END :D
- Lebon14, on 12/01/2007, -0/+0Look, there will always be people here and here that will share music.
Though seeing that QuebecTorrent is used to close every Torrent sites, I will be on QuebecTorrent's side.
Because we are free to do what we want on the net. Also, who wants to pay 25$ for ONE song...?
Not me.
QuebecTorrent FTW
Torrents FTW
Torrents Forever! - pspseb1, on 11/30/2007, -0/+0Hey guy's ,... Its CLEAR , Its a freedom of speech . Like blogging , Newspaper , messaging , mailing or many other way to Communicate ...( Include tv report , radio station , Wireless Phone ,...)
You gaved to us in 2000 , the opportunity to share some information ( data ) .So ... DONt Blame Us , Blame yourself ...
We are not , and no one is responsible of this .... So many Website , So many type ....
If ur Struggling QuebecTorrent , this will never change for the rest of the world...
Support Quebectorrent !
Support the freedom ! - mhashc, on 12/06/2007, -0/+0When LP's came out, I bought them. When tape players replaced vinyl, I bought the same albums. When CD became popular, I bought many of the same albums again. I think I have paid enough. This coupled with the fact that much of the software I am licensed use at work requires a license manager to practice or learn at home is reason enough to download via torrent sites as long as it's for learning purposes. How much do artists really make off each album that's sold? On top of this, it's the recording industry that often decides how a band will sound. Enough said, torrent sites justify downloading in this capitalistic society.
- Bigdan6x, on 12/01/2007, -0/+0My toughts on the subject is that i pay 93$ per months for my internet connection, why in the hell they dont give a portion to the damn CRIA or whatever company is sueing Quebectorrent and leave us do what we want to do? If i go into a library and decide to borrow a book for 2 weeks, i dont buy the book i read it and then return it. If the record industry would sell their discs 10$ instead of 22 or more maybe we would buy more. If gaming company would sell their games 19.99 instead of 59.99 maybe we would buy more... i am so fed up with people telling me i cant do something... And why would they want to prevent us from downloading an episode of Heroes that we missed, so they can package it and then sell us the package for 89.99??? The recording industry need to realise that not all of us drives Hummers and have limitless pockets.
Torrents forever. - importantthing, on 11/28/2007, -0/+0It seem that you don't understand the reason of that struggle. It is not only Quebec Torrent, it is the rest of P2P sites in Canada.
- importantthing, on 11/28/2007, -0/+0I've been living in Quebec since the last 40 years. I never had any problems whit the people, the rules or the laws. It seems that you're talking about omthing that you don't, even , know. Meanwhile, we have to upport that case. (Quebec torrent). Otherwise, it' gonna be the end of freedom for the creators.
- nicolask7, on 11/28/2007, -0/+0supportin' the cause,
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0Nah, actually, he sees himself as a warlord in this fight against music majors.
I'm a QCTorrent user, but I still think Doditz (the administrator) will lose a lot in this fight he takes so personnal.
By the way, they say it's because they have his name, but not to forget that Doditz spoke to a journalist who took QCTorrent as an example in the paper. That's how they thought: "We're not gonna let that happen anymore and getting laughed at us."
If he's kicking himself, that'd be because of this paper article. - DustWavers, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0The piracy mp3 has always been.
Only now it's a lot easier.
It is much easier to download a free Artist that have and does not know if we eventually loved, can allor purchase. - Drizztfire, on 12/17/2007, -0/+0Merci pour la traduction !
- margag, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0If the community does not defend it self who will....
Stop being victims and start taking your rightful place !
Support Quebectorrent ! -
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