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- bort, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I think this is great.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Although I realize Singapore is not going to suddenly collapse without Putfile, this is a great step and I think more organizations should follow suit in these types of situations. - ferrell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9sfacets said "Sure it fits the crime. Drugs kill. People who sell drugs, by extension, also kill. It fits perfectly."
Cars kill. Guns kill. Hamburgers kill. People who sell cars, guns and hamburgers, by extension, also kill. Therefore by your logic, The employees of Ford, Smith & Wesson and McDonalds should all be put to death.
Realy man, are you really this stupid? Is anyone? - 1ivewire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Putfile's message seems to be that hanging is inhumane. If done correctly, a hanging will generally break the neck of the victim nearly instaneously. This works in most cases unless a person's neck is too strong and the drop is not far enough.
I don't know many people who would consider the electric chair humane. There's also no proof that a lethal injection is painless. A person can be paralyzed by the injection yet still feel the pain of the heart stopping which I'm sure doesn't feel too great.
Ironically perhaps, Putfile hosts many gory and "inhumane" videos yet now they are suddenly claiming some sort of moral high ground. Where do they get off? - DarthPilatus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hey, you guys are just lucky most of you don't live in Australia. For the past month we have heard nothing but news on this guy. The media have been treating this guy like a hero and rarely mention that he was caught trying to smuggle drugs INTO THIS COUNTRY! (Yes I know he was caught in Singapore but he destination was Australia) And saying it was a honest mistake... The guy was smuggling drugs to pay off his brothers debt, that is for financial gain!
And the hypocrisy is dumb-founding. After the Bali Bombings, everyone was up in arms that the guys who did it were not give the death penalty by Indonesia.
Basically, if this website wants to be a crusader, fine. But do it for every country that has barbaric forms of torture or violates human rights (can any say China, Indonesia, North Korea and yes even Gitmo Bay).
BUT... would these people, and people like them, be against the hanging of Saddam? Think about it... - secretivecoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5putfile publicity stunt
- repellent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Whine as much as you want about Singapore hanging drug pushers. Call it barbaric if you will. Or, ban the country from a file uploading service if you think it will make a difference.
Whatever the outcome, I'm sure Singapore puts the fear in drug kingpins, pushers and the like. Yes, the kind of fear that makes them poop the last turd they can muster.
That said, if you ever wanted to raise new kids with less worries of them turning out to be the next neighborhood methhead or crackwhore, I'd suggest looking into Singapore. They're gun-free too. It's also a beautiful country, just like anywhere else in the world, including Australia. - pulcinella2uk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sometimes you have to experience a country to see what it's really like. Sure, the death penalty is draconian. And there are so many problems with it morally and legally. But to all those condemning Singapore for its actions try this if you haven't before - go and spend a decent amount of time in Singapore and you will find the safest place on earth. Maybe if other countries were more draconian then people wouldn't drug traffic and the death penalty wouldn't be required to be used. Sounds utopian?! Sure! But how can you condemn Singapore for implementing something that keeps their own country so very very safe. You can't hate the punishment and love the safety. Unfortunately in our upside down world the punishment is what keeps the safety.
I realise the implications of what would happen if the death penalty was extended further. Death penalty for littering? That'd be dumb - right?! But this is not the scenario we are in. It is death penalty for drug smuggling - a crime that ruins the lives of many people. If Singapore had receded the death penalty for this poor individual it would have been tantamount to saying - ok guys, Singapore is now fair game to traffic through. By imposing their penalty on him they've probably stopped tens, hundreds or thousands of others doing the same crime as he did. It's tough on him, but sometimes these things have much bigger connotations than for just the individual concerned.
The death penalty punishment was in place before he decided to travel via Singapore. Hard luck mate, but your punishment will help stop many others doing the same as you did. - dramatools, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No digg from me. While Putfile can certainly ban visitors from Singapore all they want, it's going to do about as much good as Alabama's boycott of Aruba over Natalee Holloway. The thing is, when you are in another country, even in transit, you are subject to that country's laws. If you do not agree with that country's laws, do not cross its border. Do I think Singapore's legal system is a bit harsh? Yes. Do I think it should make exceptions for westerners passing through? Sorry, I don't. If you drive 70 in Connecticut and get ticketed, you can't argue that you should be exempt because your driver's license was issued in Nevada, where the speed limit is 75.
- lazza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i'm an aussie and i think singapore was right. he had 26 times the amount of heroin needed for a mandatory death sentence, so why the hell should he be let off? just because he is an australian or because he was only doing it for his brother?
as for some idiot commenting near the start 'he was completely rehabilitated', he injected himself with the heroin when he was buying it.
it was crazy over here leading up to his death, absolute ***** asking for a minutes silence, or to make 2nd of december a bloody national public holiday! this piece of crap is a drug smuggler, he deserves nothing except his punishment(which i'm glad was carried out), at least it shut all the bleeding hearts up. there have been other aussies executed for drugs in asia, so where was their support? where is their public holiday? nowhere as they were scum, like van.
don't get me wrong, i love this country and would gladly fight for or defend people here, but when a criminal is hailed for being a saint and put on a pedastal like he's a ***** hero, i draw the line. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Although I would hate to be blocked from their service just for living in Singapore, I respect them for standing up to their beliefs on such a touchy subject. I really don't think it will make a difference or change a countries laws.
- metalsky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As an Aussie (i don't know why people are saying this - does it give the post greater credibility?) I have to agree with the actions of Singapore. There have now been countless examples of what the consequences are for smuggling drugs in most of our neigboring asian countries, especially recently. To be brutal he should have hanged for the sheer stupidity of the act. The consequences whether you agree or disagree have had a ***** load of publicity in this country (Bali 9, Shappelle Corby, Barlow and Chambers, etc). Anyone who does not know the consequences by now are either ignorant, stupid, or illiterate (or a combination of all three). DON'T SMUGGLE DRUGS.
As far as I'm concerned drug smuggling is up there with pedophiles, rape, and murder. - airhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@drougnor: "You go to a country, it's up to you to know the laws . . . and if you break those laws, you need to know the penalties."
well said - mightymouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What does uploading a file have anything to do with drug smuggling?
- bytefoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The moral of this story is don't deal drugs.
- quakefiend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I find it hypocritical that Putfile will ban Singapore for "six minutes" of pain but will not ban the U.S. for torturing prisoners in Iraq (which I can only assume took quite a bit longer than six minutes)."
I dont know if you realize this.. but...
torturing prisoners is not standard procedure, the US doesn't condone breaking the geneva convention.
torturing/hanging offenders in singapore is standard procedure. - über, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4God I love Singapore. If only everone's laws were like theirs. The world would be such a nicer place...
*packs bags to move to Singapore but then remembers there is no Putfile anymore so decides to stay in crime ridden US of A* - jellicle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4In this case the poor guy was attempting to get his junkie brother off the hook with some nasty dealers. He was in transit through Singapore, not smuggling drugs into the country. He had no record of drug use or other criminal activity. He deserved a custodial sentence, even a long one, but he didn't deserve to die.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3perscription meds kill far more people than any illegal drug.. there for by extension doctors are murders and should be hanged
Ignorance and intollerance is a wonderful thing.
It is much harder thing to keep a man aliv than to kill him. Despite teh good feelings of revenge there is no good excuse to kill anyone.. i dont care if you think the state is doing the killing... we are the state. - spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2would singapore really care? no. they won't even notice. even if they did, they can still go to ebaum's.
- sandeepjr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Jellicle: Agreed that he had a clean record but his brother was some psycho samurai wielding badass that had convictions that were suppresed by the aussie government when they appealed for the dead twin. In anycase, I think you all fail to realise just how much 400+ grams of heroin is. It allows for 20 odd THOUSAND shots. It ruins and kills thousands and of lives in this region and puts a huge strain on the families of all concerned. Its also feeds the underworld gangsters etc etc. ALL visitors entering countries in the region are warned of the sever penalty drug trafficking carries. If he wanted to transit, he shoulda picked a more civil country I suppose like the US? Respect the laws of other nations.
Archerx: your argument is just, I'm sorry to say, retarded. Comparing drug traffickers to hamburger, car and gun manufacturers? How is that a fair comparison? we're talking about a hardcore illegal narcotic substance...not just party drugs like marijuana or ecstacy. 400 grams of it is gonna kill a LOT of people. - Dolphinese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Socially, exaggeration is often whimsical. But when a government dramatically inflates numbers to help justify a death sentence, the integrity of both the trial and its governing body becomes questionable. In this case, the government is Singapore, the trial was for Van Tuong Nguyen, and the bloated number is 26,000.
Press from around the world quotes Abdullah Tarmugi, the Speaker of Singapore Parliament, in writing about the potential consequences of Van's actions, "almost 400 grams of pure heroin, enough for more than 26,000 doses."
But how was 26,000 doses (or "hits") derived?
It turns out that what constitutes a hit of heroin is not an easy thing to count. There are dozens of factors to consider; contact your local Needle Exchange for a comprehensive list. However, after collecting statistics from over a dozen sources (including police reports, narcotics web sites, health information, and workers from needle exchanges), the number of hits from a gram of pure heroin averages out to little more than 14.
Van Tuong Nguyen trafficked 396.2 grams of heroin into Singapore. This is approximately 5,600 doses.
The numbers 5,600 and 26,000 are obviously incongruous, as are reports that 400 grams of heroin would "ruin 26,000 lives". In fact, 400 grams of heroin would not come close to ruining even 5,600 lives. Rather, the heroin would most likely supply people already abusing it. With a little more research, we can estimate how many lives would be adversely affected by 400 grams of heroin during one year:
As many as 67, and as few as 6.
Van Tuong Nguyen would not have sent 26,000 people to their deaths from 400 grams of heroin. Nor would the lives of 26,000 people have been ruined. Far more likely is that six people would get a year's worth of hits. And for this he was executed?
Call it dreadful, call it dense, call it incomprehensible ... but do not call it justice. - tobtoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the amazing thing is who hyper-sensitive everyone gets on this and trys to take the moral high ground. Don't get me wrong - I think capital punishment is wrong ... but for people to say how they have lost all respect for Singapore (sorry daza for singling you out), how they might boycot Singapore and other equivalent comments ... are people really so irrationally single issue focussed?
What about the US and their systematic torture of prisoners? At least Singpore hanged a convicted drug smuggler! Have you lost all respect for the US? Would you boycott all their products? What about China? They have systematic human rights abuse and capital punishment? Are you going to boycott all their products? Yeah right. probably 75% of everything you own is made in china.
These sort of actions by Putfile do nothing - they may make the putfile admin feel all warm and fuzzy about themselves. However about doing something useful like joining or donating Amnesty International - give them the ability to directly intervene. If you are going to try and change the world, make sure you direct your efforts effectively. - DarthPilatus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And really... who in their right mind would smuggle drugs, even if in transit, through a country were CHEWING GUM IS ILLEGAL.
And the argument that "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Drug smuggling is evil... Singapore did something... we may disagree with what or how but they are doing something.
Oh Putfile... I probably would have thought that boycotting Singapore BEFORE the guy was hung might be better ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing... after it has happened").
I look forward to their boycott of Iraq. - Only1Casarina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am a proud Singaporean living in Europe.
People who make negative comments here either has never live outside their own country for a long period of time. In my course of work, I am fortnate to travel and live in different countries.
Everytime when I am away, I am pleased that I am a Singaporean with laws that protect the victims and not the law breakers. Many of you might not agree with capital punishment but you have to realise the following :
a) Helping To Pay Of A Debt
Yes he might be helping his brother to pay off debts but I am sure there are many ways of paying debts. Whenever we are in debt, we dont go round smuggling drugs. If he has been successful, how many people will be inflicted with drugs, how many people will have to use their savings to buy drugs, how many crimes will be created in Australia as a result of drugs smuggling and how many parents' hearts are to be broken?
b) Advance Notice
Vung has made his choice. Whenever you are about to arrive Singapore, the airlines will inform all passengers it is illegal to smuggle drugs and death penalty is a punishment. He is educated and I am sure he would have listen to the notice. He decided to go ahead and therefore, he decided to seal his death wish.
c) Mother holding hands
The Singapore government did allow Vung's mother to hold his hands for a brief moment.
d) Laws
Each country has different laws and everyone has to respect it. While I am living in GB, I learnt their laws, obey and respect it. I do not go round breaking laws.
e) Criminal and not Hero
Vung is a CRIMINAL not a Hero. He is not deem to be a hero. Vung is merely an adult who choose his own fate. So, stop making him into a Hero, of which he is not.
f) Chinese - sucks?
To the one who says Chinese sucks - I am sure you have no respect for other races. And I pray for your ignorance and anger.
It is no big deal for putfile to ban Singaporeans using your site. One message to Putfile, grow up and be mature. - tobtoh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Putfile is hypocritical. If they are opposed to capital punishment, then they need to add China and the United States to their block file.
As for jay2005's comment, '***** singapore, hanging a citizen of another country for commiting a victimless crime'. You are such an idiot if you think drug smuggling is a victimless crime. - JaggedEdge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hahahaha wooo cheers to putfile! i dont condone drug smuggling but as putfile put it, a barbaric act of the termination of ones life is just so much worse, maybe putfile banning theyre services to them wont help or matter at all (well not maybe...it wont) but its still a great thing to see someone who has morals stick up for the way they feel they may be inferior but probally the only way the admin there could express himself.
Kudo's to you my man. - spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Whilst Putfile is not a human rights campaigning organization..."
well guess what? they just turned into one. - RobCowie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ha!... Not a topic I'd put on digg.... just look at the comments!
Stupidity rules
Some questions/answers for previous posts:
No - Singapore would NOT 'rip your eyes out' for looking the wrong way at a government official
No - there isn't any credible evidence that the death penalty is an effective deterrent for any kind of crime
Mr Tuong Van was NOT part of a drug gang/syndicate - he felt desparate enough to do it to help his brother out of debt.
Unless you've done either - one can not compare death OR life imprisonment. It is foolish to try
Metalsky: Are you seriously trying to suggest that stupid people should be hanged?
Antiwmac: What do you mean the Chinese people 'suck'? Suck what? - ConorKiley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone else think maybe the Putfile thing is simple marketing? Honestly who gives a crap who they ban since there are so many alternatives?
Banned by Putfile... I'm quaking in my boots!
Not to mention how disgusting the statement was. They don't like hanging? Wow, what a brave stance.
Might as well stand for "war is bad".
The penalty is there for a reason and it has to do with the suffering certain drugs like HEROIN cause!
Let's all ignore that though. Let's ignore all the deaths that heroin cause. Any parents here? Anyone have children? Anyone willing to give your kid a dose of heroin in order to save someone else's kid?
Pathetic. - sprockett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3THe real reason why singapore can't agree to "not hang" him, is because if you bend the rules once, it provides the precedent to bend it again.
"Oh, ok since president bush said not to hang this american dude for drug smuggling, we won't do it."
Ok, so what if some english kid is caught? Blair may appeal, "Singapore, you let the american dude off the hook, u shd let this english kid off the hook too"
Ok, then lets say some unknown foreign smuggler is caught, and his country doesnt give a ***** to who he is and what he has done. No media coverage to back him up. He gets hanged. Is this fair?
What about all the other citizens in singapore who get hanged for drug trafficking.
Basically, you have a rule, you can't afford to bend it, for anyone.
For the case of singapore, if they DO bend the rules, it implies
foreigners are off the hook, as long as they have someone big backing them up, which is just nonsense.
It has nothing to do with "oh its too harsh a penalty" or "he was helping his brother" or "it was a small amount of drugs".
Its about having a uniform judicial system, where NOONE is above the law, and ALL are treated equally.
Its just sad the media plays up this entire issue, and people get all emotional and all. - TraderEyal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To all the opposers of this death penalty: Singapore hangs its own people for the exact same rason, where were you and putfile when the previous hanging of a local took place?
- ReiToei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a complete knee-jerk response by Putfile. To some, it might even look like they are using the death of a man in Singapore to drum up publicity for themselves. I'd like to get a look at their stats since they issued the "ban".
- spanner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh *****
Singapore hung an heroin trafficer who KNEW he was facing death if caught.
Lets get past the emotional crap, he was a trafficer of death, and he paiid the price of getting caught.
Would he be a hero if he had made it to Australia and passed on the heroin? - gaston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I managed to endure through this slew of mindless insults and personal attacks.
1) Singapore hangs for murder, kidnap, drug-smuggling. This means we hang our own too.
2) Hanging (aka long-drop) is an art perfected by the British. We still use the colonially-inherited table as a weight-length reference. It is quick, fast, and has the highest success rate. I cannot believe no one here has read about the numerous botched electrocutions and ironic incidents regarding drug offenders not being able to find a working vein to administer a proper lethal injection in the US, the firing squad in China, the stonings in the Middle East (I forget which specifically).
3) This uproar is caused by Australian media. And sanctioned by John Howard. I also cannot understand how Australians cannot see that Howard took a humane stance to generate more furore, to distract the populace from his political shortcomings. His good friend is Bush Jr, remember? :D
4) Reading this thread has made me realise how ignorant this world can be. Here I am, all of 20 years, and I know hanging is not barbaric, I know it is 8000 hits according to street standards, I remember what life was like before this big hoo-ha. I remember the occasional, whimsical campaigns by human-rights groups.
5) Australia never kicked up a big fuss when we were executing our own people.
6) Putfile was never on the Singaporean Internet Map anyway. No one I know has even heard of this site.
7) I am proud to be Singaporean. We got one of the lowest crime rates in the world. People are afraid to die. That's how everyone else lives.
8) It is very ridiculous when a drug trafficker gets a minute's silence. Nguyen himself was a publicity stunt. He wrote letters to his mother in English, knowing full well that she cannot read them (Vietnamese native), and which sole purpose is to be printed in the papers, as more fodder for the media.
9) I have many expat friends here. A few DJs, marketing people, creative industry people. They like it here. Sure, some will bitch about how hard it is to get stuff like weed, but they never get mugged, and life is good.
10) Chee Soon Juan, the Opposition party chief in Singapore is a joke. A kooky. He's made countless allegations and been sued a few times. His political rhetoric revolves around how the PAP (ruling party) is fleecing people of their money (baseless). He has no solutions. What good is a ranting politician without solution?
11) People assume nothing is done to combat the demand side of drugs. Untrue. We have aggressive, public drug-abuse awareness campaigns. Various rehabilitative facilities. A very hardworking anti-narcotics bureau who just busted a synthetic pills syndicate 2 weeks ago in an island-wide drug raid.
12) Has anyone ever stopped to consider why most Singaporeans are in agreement with the death penalty? We have been taught from young that drugs are bad. We are exposed to audiovisual information on the matter, sometimes bordering on graphical and violent. We know how bad it can be. We are aware. Sadly, I cannot say that for many of you. That is not to say we do not regret the deaths. We do not glee over them, we do not rejoice. It just is a necessary evil. Consequently, we find the leniency displayed by Australian courts a joke. His brother's prison sentence for a samurai assult on 2 teenage boys in a gang fight was deferred because his brother was arrested in Singapore. I cannot see the link. Over here, prisoners are only granted leave when an immediate family member has deceased (i.e. father/mother/sister/brother/son/daughter). No exceptional cases granted. Our own doomed, lined up on the death row, are not accessible to their family members. At all. We have a Chinese saying that goes, "When we give an inch, you want a foot."
13) Our country, our laws. You will realise that Singapore does not have a habit of requesting from extradition of its citizens if they have commited a crime overseas.
14) Overnight we have turned from a first-world GDP nation with reputable universities and world-class scientists, into a barbaric. bloodthirsty 3rd-world country. With mass media, you win some, but lose most. The Australian media was asked not to report about the Nguyen family's past brushes with the law. Both him and his brother have served jailterms in Australia. Not quite the angels you see on TV, are they? How is this objective reporting?
15) You find us barbaric, crass, ignorant.
I laugh in your face. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+3I'm Australian and I could not agree more with Putfiles decision. Nguyen was completely rehabilitated by the time he was hung, and showed every sign of remorse possible. The purpose of incapacitation (prison, etc) is to rehabilitate, and he was exactly that. I also firmly stand by "when in Rome, act like the Romans", but the death penalty is the exception to this.
Life behind bars? Sure.
Death sentence? No way.
I do NOT respect Singapore in any way from doing this, and they may think it acts as a deterrent but I do not believe so. The only thing it has deterred is my will to visit there again (I've been twice and loved the place, but my mind has been changed indefinitely).
Singapore is not a third world country with dated and unfair laws. It features the most executions per capita than any other country in the world. Something needs to be done about this, starting with decisions such as Putfile's.
Unfortunately, jay2005 - heroin smuggling is not a victimless crime. They claim that it could support 262,000 hits of it - a very shocking amount. But if he doesn't do it, someone else will. No one should die over a crime like this, especially when it was proven he was only trying to repay his twin brothers debt and was not for personal financial gain.
Peace. - jeff1943, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Putfile, not a very wise decision.
- godmode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Singaporeans know how to use proxies.
- jmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You think Putfile is doing this for purely political reasons? Perhaps it is because they are running low on bandwidth and need a quick remody? Banning a small technological advanced country like Singapore would sure do the trick. :)
- pulcinella2uk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm British married to a Singaporean and have opposed the death penalty all my life.
But you have to consider this:
Singapore is the safest place I have ever visited. It is largely crime-free, graffiti & litter-free even almost swearing free.
If Singapore was more tolerant with crime it would only encourage more crime to occur. So if the death penalty is an effective deterrent to trafficking drugs then so be it.
I know it's harsh, but it works. If drug traffickers insists on their activities they have the option to go another route.
I feel for this poor young man, but his sacrifice is what keeps Singapore such a safe place to live & visit.
In the end, it was his choice to travel via Singapore. - Hollywood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have never heard of putfile before this, could it just be a marketing ploy...
- gaston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just in case you didn't catch the Communist part, he was part of a Socialist party and a small group of MPs who protested strongly against Singapore's breakaway from the Malay Federation. He had long been suspected of Communist sympathies, and whether or not the govt misinterpreted his various ambiguous gestures (such as making a speech in a Pro-Communist conference in Perak, and heavily criticising American bombing in Vietnam) as dissent, is open to debate. I have not studied his case in-depth, having only taken history up to my 'A' Levels. But to say that this was done without reason or rhyme is ridiculous. Chia Thye Poh commanded a considerable following in Singapore. We couldn't afford another Communist-inspired breakdown.
A nation of 40 years, 1 mistake of questionable nature and we're swiftly condemned. I don't see anyone launching a jihad-esque assault on George Bush or Sudan. - Deputy_Doodah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So Putfile supports drug dealers, and condones breaking the law. Great. Just great. A little bit more of this mushy-headed crap will lead us to anarchy.
- thetbad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Capital punishment is a polarizing issue, like euthanasia and abortion. I see at least four brances to the main discussion:
1. Was it "fair" for the individual to have been executed, being a foreigner who apparently knew the legal consequences?
2. Under which (if any) circumstances is capital punishment effective/good/acceptable/necessary?
3. What is the most humane way to execute a human?
4. And finally... To what degree to we need our government to control our access to drugs? - Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When will we learn to let other cultures run their country the way it has been for hundreds of years!! What we see as barbaric, to them it's just a way of life the way it has been and it is how they like it to be. Where do we come off injecting our principles in singapore?!?
Just like in iraq and other places....women have always worn vales...now we come in and say women should be as equal to men, when it is their country, their culture we are messing with!
only thing this does is stir rage towards the United States. now if there is terrorism in a country then fine...then we can do something because it is a dirent threat to us and other nations.
Point Made!!!!! - jwalk81980, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why stop with just countries that support the death penalty for selling drugs? Let's add countries that give the death penalty to minors and the mentally handicapped. Oh wait, that's America. Nevermind.
- Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Drug smugglers are worst than rapists and murderers."
People who can't spell the word worse are worse than drug smugglers. You're killing the language. I also throw people who use the word "alls" in this category. - Cambo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I find this suituation sad... He was smuggling the drugs to pay off his brothers debt... and ended up paying the ultimate price.
I dont believe that drugs are ok or that the death penalty is ok either, I think that in this suituation there could have been a different route taken by the government. - khu19, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Although it may seem barbaric, the guy clearly knew of the laws before entering Singapore. Do you really expect the government to suddenly bend the law just because people were asking them? The law was there before he arrived, and he broke it, so the punishment should stay.
Also, you do know that someone who deals heroin profits from the misery of others right? How is this any different from another form of human exploitation? Drug dealers are scum. - elcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seriously? The issue here isn't whether the death sentence is ethical. Whether it is or isn't simply is not the point. The point is that Singapore has laws, and the authorities are doing what the law says. Personally, i think the death penalty is barbaric, but if you're asking me if Singapore should brave international criticism to carry out its law or bail out and give in to pressure, then i'm all for the former. It's called independence.
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