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- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19The Haz-Mart.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Again, it all boils down to 'the problem doesn't stem from the evil corporations, it stems from the apathy of the people'
Proving once again that Apathy is Death! - alcimedes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I just wonder what it will take for typical people to realize how broken their technology is that they paid good money for. And the fact that their elected officials are promoting it.
When copying digital works can get you more prison time than rape, your society is seriously F-ed up. - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21I hope to God this gets to the front page. People need to at least _know_ about how the *aa's plan to own them in the future, and this certainly helps visibility.
- codyman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Um... where does one go to pickup a hazmat suit?
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17They should just use Linux, buy CDs instead of iTunes AACs, or simply support independent music and film. Instead of wasting their energy on things that will never change, they should focus on making viable alternatives. Furthermore, outlandish costumes and overheated rhetoric convince nobody. The vast majority of people don't know or don't care about DRM. DVDs are the most successful consumer product in history. iTunes has sold over 1 billion songs.
- jjkurtz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Amen brother. Choice. If you do a little digging there is more than one option out there.
I never really had much against DRM until I couldn't read an ebook that I paid for because Adobe Reader wouldn't activate under Linux. Fortunately, after looking around, I found an alternative. I'll protest DRM by not buying another ebook even though they cost much less than paper. At least I can open a paper book when I want to read it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11*****, I thought I was in line to see Devo!
- AXNJAXN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8d4rkn1ght:
Burning a CD isn't going to magically fix the loss of data due to compression. Did you think that saving a 128kbps MP3 into a 192kbps MP3 file improves its quality too? - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"when you borrow a book from the library, it doesnt have DRM. you could, in theory, copy all the pages and have your own copy of the book. Why should digital files be any different?"
It takes money and time to photocopy a book. For the vast majority of people, the effort involved greatly outweighs the cost of buying the book. Also, the book as a physical object is more attractive and functional than a stack of photocopies. Furthermore, one can simply borrow the book from the library. Lastly, it is illegal to copy an entire book.
With digital books, it is trivial to make a copy of a book and distribute it to thousands or even millions of people on the internet. Here the time and effort of copying and distribution is nearly zero, much less expensive than buying your own book. Therefore, content creators feel some limitations (in the form of DRM and new laws) must be placed on the ability to copy and distribute these files. You only need to imagine the time and money it would take to make 10,000 photocopies of a physical book vs placing an ebook on bittorrent. - MonkeyBoy87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I dont know why people would go after MS on this - their DRM efforts have been laughable and rejected by most in the market place. Apple has far more DRM deployed 1 billion plus songs and rising. But oh wait. MS is evil and kicks puppies but apples is cool, cute and cuddley...
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just a sidenote-Trusted Computing is a propaganda term. Treacherous Computing is more accurate, and fits into all the acronyms just as well.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If you want to protest DRM, I think you should focus on Apple. They are selling more DRM infected files than anyone else, Microsoft included. People are all for freedom when it is "evil" Bill Gates being attacked in his cavernous mansion, but they would never tolerate such an attack on sweet, lovable Apple, even though they are the ones who made DRM mainstream and got ignorant consumers to accept, and even celebrate the restrictions it imposes on what they can do with their music. Even when it is used for blatantly monopolistic tactics, it is praised as the greatest thing ever and bought in record numbers. DRMed music from Apple can only be obtained through Apple Itunes, can only be accessed on a certain number of computers that Apple has approved, and cannot be played on any non-Apple mp3 player. This makes fair capitalist market competition impossible and imposes unreasonable restrictions on their own customers. Yet the Defective by Design website does not seem to even mention Apple anywhere. Everything on the site seems to be focused on protesting Microsoft. I am extremely opposed to DRM in all of its forms, so in that sense I agree with this organization, but they are focusing on the wrong target here. Grow some balls and take on the cult of half-eaten fruit. They are the ones who caused this infection of our music files, and they are the ones who continue to fight to advance it into new areas. I'm not saying Microsoft or any other company is completely innocent, they clearly aren't, but it would make the most sense to take action against the largest source of the DRM infection, and that source is clearly Apple.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I was just going to post this too.
As much as I like iTunes and iPod, I -hate- the music store's DRM limitations. I once downloaded an audiobook and the hard drive it was downloaded to promptly died. (no chance to back up)
I had to buy another copy if I wanted a legit listenable, copy. Up to that point, I 'believed' in Apple's DRM, but now, I actively boycott all copy protected software.
Before I ever 'shared' a file or 'backed up' a DVD, I bought hundreds(!) of CD's and DVD's... thousands of dollars spent on pieces of plastic that spend most of their existence inside a dark box in a garage.
To be treated like a criminal by default after years of -loyal- consumer obedience was a slap in the face.
The (generic) PC changed all that. And, unless you let them, 'they' can't change it.
If they want to treat me like a criminal...
That's their choice.
My choice: Suck it, *IAA.
Don't buy CD's. Or DVD's.
Support small/good software (and music) makers.
Kick the corporations where it hurts.
Spend the money you save on big hard drives and time sucking video games. :D - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Ahem,
The link the original poster was trying to link to was http://defectivebydesign.org/
It's misspelled on the write-up - j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I vote with my dollar... I guess. While I do still go to the movie theater occasionally, I do not buy Cd's or DVD's. I do, however, support open source and other projects that help to crack DRM. As I don't see DRM going away any time soon, I also suggest that everybody else support groups and projects that crack DRM or enable people to do more with their own hardware. As long as there are groups trying to take away our rights, there should be groups that help us take them back. Screw the DMCA.
- cybershoplifter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I have enjoyed the digital content brought to me by the web and I vote with my pocketbook. DRM does not get my vote. Because of hollystupids attitude towards fans I avoid buying anything unless it's used. I go retail for artists like Quentin Tarantino and musical artists who have a good attitude about freedom and the uses of technology. Glad to know folks like DefectiveByDesign are around.
- amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was at the event wearing a yellow Tyvek suit. I am employed full time as analyst by a community bank of significant size and I am also a computer science student at a local university. I am not a moron and I most definitely do NOT have too much time on my hands.
This morning I took a train and two buses to get to the event (I don't drive by choice... you wouldn't understand that choice either). It was a phenomenal event and is only the beginning of the FSF's campaign against DRM.
I am a vocal proponent of free software and specifically free software on the desktop. I see DRM and Trusted Computing as the two biggest threats to free software on the desktop. I will not let the corporations currently in power destroy the things I value while I sit apathetic.
You sir may debate the veracity of my opinions but do not dismiss me as a moron. You prove yourself a less than capable individual by indulging in such conduct.
I will be posting about my experience, DRM in general and future plans for anti-DRM events in the South Sound on my blog located at http://psfk.blogspot.com/ - Lobster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4When will my DRM dermal implant be available? Don't you like to be owned?
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Those thoughts have not been approved by Apple and are therefore being deleted and replaced with videos of shadows dancing to bad music with headphones on in front of brightly colored nothing. Cool, huh? But you're only allowed to tell up to 3 Apple-approved friends about it.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If DRM were simply a userland software means of locking down data, we wouldn't be nearly so adamant. But big media plans to use it to enslave our computers. If TPM chips start making their way into computers, they won't even be _capable_ of allowing you your fair use right. Hell, they probably won't let you use GNU/Linux, since it'll never go through a proprietary approval process. It's only when they actively try to eliminate our freedom that we take action against them.
- amphora, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4DRM does not stop the copying of e-books. It only protects the entities deploying from competition, locks users into proprietary software products, prevents us from creating derivative works and generally gets in the way of moral and ethical individuals
The pirates have it easy... - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Radiant
when you borrow a book from the library, it doesnt have DRM. you could, in theory, copy all the pages and have your own copy of the book.
Why should digital files be any different? - PSyMastR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Its good to see people fighting against DRM. DRM is an anti-userfriendly thing that was put in place to just annoy the hell out of people. If it was to prevent piracy, it failed, as people can crack AAC DRM'd audio files by, A, using a program found quickly on google, or B, opening them in any audio editor and saving them as MP3/Ogg's.
- cope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the problem with that is CD's plan to have DRM all through them as well..
and linux won't have the DRM decoders to play most of this stuff...
it'll get reverse engineered eventually, everything does. - mrkslntbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3jjkurtz wrote:
"I never really had much against DRM until I couldn't read an ebook that I paid for because Adobe Reader wouldn't activate under Linux. Fortunately, after looking around, I found an alternative. I'll protest DRM by not buying another ebook even though they cost much less than paper. At least I can open a paper book when I want to read it."
Yeah, I bought a Linux book, published by Sybex, and the pdf wouldn't open in Linux. I understand the ignorance of some that don't realize not everyone runs windows, but when you're publishing a Linux book! That's just stupid, last book I'll ever buy from Sybex. - amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would prefer each content producer to come up with their own DRM because that system would invariably fail.
- myxyplik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gotta start somewhere, MonkeyBoy. As for me, I've stopped going to movies and buying CDs and DVDs (except from eBay) in protest.
- loganrapp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3One thing - the way they do these protests is too comical to be taken seriously.
I'm sorry, but I see these guys in HAZMAT suits (it's supposed to be all capitals, like Navy SEALs), and I see PETA wrapping themselves in bloody plastic, or dressing up in cow costumes to try to talk to the kids about how they're hurting cows.
MLK didn't have to resort to gimmicks. Just a message and a voice. - amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would I have no content? Currently music is distributed on shiny plastic and metal platters with no DRM. Why change that? Currently movies are distributed on shiny metal and plastic platter with essentially no DRM. Why change that?
Artists will still create, studios will still make money, the sky did not fall without DRM before and the skill will not fall without DRM in the future.
Why are you so keen to give away the keys to out shared culture to a group who only want to exploit it for the kind of profit neither you or I benefit from. - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is simply the first event. I have no doubt that these people will be out in full force at MWSF.
- washley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Silly Slashdotters ...
Microsoft isn't responsible for DRM, content producers are. Would you rather there be one DRM made by Microsoft that you know of or would you rather have every content producer come up with their own DRM like Sony's rootkit? - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not foolproof _yet_. A whole lot of hardware seeks to change that. And hardware can be _very_ difficult to hack, if they care enough to make it so.
- amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Operating System developers, media player developers and hardware manufacturers are the entities responsible for DRM and Trusted Computing. Microsoft, Real Networks, Apple, Intel and others need to be taken to task for DRM. FairPlay, Rhapsody, etc. are plays by the software developers to move in on the RIAA's turf and take over. Once one system of DRM becomes teh clear winner (FairPlay is on its way) that company will be able to set their own price.
The troubling thing is that DRM will NOT stop piracy. DRM and terrible copyright law will lock our common culture away so we can not use it as we see fit. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I am a vocal proponent of free software and specifically free software on the desktop."
That's all well and good, but how does that empower you to expect companies to give away their product? Being for free software shouldn't mean that you are against commercial software. The two are not mutually exclusive. - albrad84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This whole thing is about DRM on music and video, yet Bill Gates and Microsoft really have very little to do with this. Yeah, they now have stores where you can buy DRM'd media content, but thats by the choice of the media creators (record labels, movie studios, etc) not the people who create the software to deliver it. And for that matter, Microsoft hasn't even done that well in this business and there are many competitors who do the same thing (Apple, Yahoo, Real, Google, Napster.....) and probably sell more than MS.
If the thing were about open-source software and stuff, it would be one thing, but every quote in there is about media. Come on guys, at least protest the right people (ahem... RIAA, MPAA, etc) - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12319! We've got a 2319!
- pmhesse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2misspelling in your title or description earns you an "inaccurate" from me.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Go read the GNU philosophy pages, and then you'll understand.
- amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think defective by design is focusing specifically on Microsoft... I think WinHEC was just an excellent opportunity to spread the word.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe we're better off with MS's DRM, since it will be easily cracked, and likely not work properly to begin with.
Actually, maybe the real answer is that DRM will not work in ANY form. That is because there isn't a single universal DRM scheme all groups involved can agree on, nor will there be one any time soon. Sony can't even get HDMI universally adopted, what's MS's DRM scheme going to mean to the rest of the world? - d4rkn1ght, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5RadiantBeing wrote:
“They should just use Linux, buy CDs instead of iTunes AAC...”
I fail to see what it is the big deal with Apple and AAC. iTunes allows people to burn their tracks on regular CDs, which can then be re-encoded to whatever format you want. - Feej, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft is an easy target, and it doesn't take much to get people angry at them. On the other hand Apple is a more difficult target because people see them as "cool" and "iconic".
I guess they are just lazy. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you think Apple's DRM is worse than Microsoft, you need to catch up on the latest news: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000118.html?sub=AR
This URGE crap is far, far, worse than iTunes's DRM.
And for the record, I hate iTunes and scorn Macs, so I'm no Apple fangirl by any means. Just read the article. - cybernetic798, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Am I the only one who thinks that protesting in front of developers will do nothing? I mean these people have to do what they have to do for their livelyhood, and they have little to no say in product direction. Yelling at them about DRM is like yelling at an assembly-line worker at GM about their terrible fuel efficiency. Take the protest to the higher-ups for godsakes...
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DRM is completely unnecessary. The goal is to prevent people from buying music and then sharing it on bittorrent or kazaa or whatever. But we all know that you can find basically any file you want illegally on the internet, if you are willing to look hard enough, often before you can even get it "legally". Content providers should accept the inevitability that their content will be distributed for free on file sharing networks and stop punishing the people who choose to pay for it instead. If I buy a song, it comes with all sorts of restrictions and hassles. If I steal the same song, I can do whatever I want with it. They set up a system where the incentive is to NOT buy their products. If there was a online store selling high quality non-DRMed mp3s from artists that I have actually heard of, I would have no problem buying from it. But I refuse to infect my computer with DRM.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's the technology companies that want to integrate DRM into hardware that we're _really_ mad at, not just the content providers.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3cool.. i live a half-hour away from seattle, maybe i'll go over there to be a part of this..
the weather is total ***** today though..
edit: didn't realize the protest already took place.. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If MS would just release DX10 for XP, we could avoid all these Vista problems altogether. I would skip Vista entirely if it was possible. Worst MS OS release ever.
- tesseract18, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Someone needs to get a Gordon Freeman Hazard suit and wear it to a DRM protest.
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