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Porn 2.0 is stiff competition for pro pronographers

arstechnica.com — The adult industry has grown alongside the Internet for so many years, it may come as a surprise that it has suddenly hit a wall... at the whim of the Internet itself. Now, the industry is fighting to maintain growth.

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  • keymastr, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54they make a pill for that
    • linkin1, on 10/11/2007, -23/+8red or blue?
    • Vicissidude, on 10/11/2007, -35/+5Hilarious. You gotta love it - just like YouTube, but better:

      http://www.pornotube.com
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+137Porno Tube is lame. Everything on there is either gay or 30 second previews of commercial porn videos.
    • timusca, on 10/11/2007, -4/+42xtube.com is a whole lot better :-)
    • Vicissidude, on 10/11/2007, -30/+12@fkr3

      Dumbass. Choose the straight-only selection from the menu on the side, not the gay-only.
    • chogie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23how about youporn.com or spankwire.com
    • Aliarse, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3@timusca (#7067756)
      Backdoors (ooh er), spoofs, and cracked passwords are even better.

      Free Commercial Porn FTW!
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9@vicissidude
      Oh wow I clicked that and suddenly the site was full of good, decent length porn by enthusiasts/hobbyists/attention-freaks, some of which are tolerable naked!!!

      No really, read the other half of what I said. When you strip away the gay and commercial crap the site's got nothing. It's a market place for advertising porno videos, not a porn version of YouTube, and hardly a replacement for the 'traditional' porn business model.

      The ARS guys must have been feeling retarded this morning if they think advertising porno videos somehow replaces porno videos.
    • lazyrussian, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3youporn.com anyone? lol
    • liah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12redtube.com?
    • chaesar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Let me shed a tear for the porn industry.
    • TheFBI, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0@liah (#7068097)

      I got banned from Digg to linking to that site.
    • haggie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Between flickr and the porno YouTube knock-offs, I haven't paid for porn in years. Last time I did was for some highbrow porn for the wife.
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+31High brows? That's quite a weird fetish.
    • TimDigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12nipplebyte.com

      Digg clone for porn, I love it because the designer admits he was trying to make a digg clone
    • floorman56, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Between flickr and the porno YouTube knock-offs, I haven't paid for porn in years

      True... but the Usenet is my main porn fix. stuffed with more porn than most HD can handle.

      Yes, I know the first rule of Usenet is to not talk about the Usenet.......but SOMEONE is posting to it.
    • undersky, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1rpgmaker

      i actually have those videos you posted.
      got them at boxav dot com
    • orciu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0http://handjerkerhelper.com/
    • orciu, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0and http://pornborg.org/
      or http://webgoggles.com/
    • rasterbator, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2The author at Ars Technica is "Jacqui Cheng". Is this a real name? Or a female Jackie Chan fan?
    • rasterbator, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3The "stiff competition" of amateur porn is a major factor. If guys can watch porn of their girlfriends/wives/friends/friend's mothers, why would they care to watch porn of pornstar/stripper/whore/stranger?

      Much hotter if the movies are of hot people you know.
    • jumptoitnow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0voteboob.com is better. slicker design than most with biggest user base. also has progressive privacy policy (http://www.voteboob.com/privacy) and advanced security
  • crxvfr, on 10/11/2007, -19/+10The porno industry will ultimately put itself out of business. Used to be that you had to be 18 and go to a special place to get their wares. Now that millions of common people have a pornography addiction, they're getting involved and creating it on a level that is not only often free, but at a pace no industry could keep up with.
    • Claw787, on 10/11/2007, -1/+64Are you talking about Open source porn, released under GPL?
    • Anonymous3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Someone's bound to make a full length open source porn movie sooner or later, as horrible as that sounds... though I'm not about to start that trend any time soon.
    • funwithscissors, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40Yeah the industry has probably only a few months left, I'm sure sports will close up shop too now that they let kids play baseball in their own backyards
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The MPAA and RIAA sure put themselves out of business once MySpace and YouTube were created and losers could pimp the god-awful crap they made all by themselves mummy!!
    • lazyrussian, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Pornbuntu?
    • rpgmaker, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I wouldn't say that if I were you. Japan is two years ahead of America in every single way, even in the sex industry and their market is just growing and growing.

      Some NSFW images:
      http://static.flickr.com/54/176166817_4b3aa5b29f.jpg
      http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/450246380_bc2acd54fc.jpg
    • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4thats because the Yakuza control the sex industry..
    • undersky, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@rpgmaker

      i actually have those videos you posted.
      got them at boxav dot com
    • EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Open source porn? More like EwwwBuntu!
    • RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7@rpgmaker

      Japanese porn is the worst. What's the point of porn if it's all censored. Not to mention all the chicks in the movies are dead ugly, with ***** up teeth and ultra hairy vaginas.
    • Leviathan777, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7You people are crazy. The post you're replying to is right, though not elegantly argued.

      If I'm looking for porn, I want to see people having sex. I want them to look like human beings, not clown whores with inflatable boobs. I want to see women's bodies showed off with love, affection, and enthusiasm.

      People will do all of that for free. Adding some lame-ass story, worse acting, lots of makeup, and naming it after a Hollywood movies doesn't do dick for me. I'd rather watch some woman who looks like - and might be - one of the hot moms on my street go crazy because she likes it.

      In the long run - 20 years or so - 90% of pro porn is going to be no more than advertising for prostitution. The rest will be for people who will pay for quality control. There will be so much amateur stuff, easily and freely available, that in the next 5 years, that pro porn is going to take a big, big hit. It's only for the noobs as it is now. On the plus side, if you are looking for a prostitute much hotter than you can afford now, you're going to enjoy this transformation.

      Fake ***** are stupid. 90% of them look terrible (ask Howard Stern). Real ***** of all sizes and shapes are sexier. Fake ***** are awesome if you like holding bags of sand.

      P.S. If you are looking at censored jap porn you are a loser. There's tons of uncensored stuff. And yes, the industry is controlled by the yakuza (why the ***** would someone digg that comment down?). And it's very formulaic in general (see 100 jam-u, seen 'em all) but you get a lot that you don't get in American pro porn - like a tactile sense of the body. Lots of moving the flesh around, sounds, and you can see the details.

      Yup, got something to annoy everyone. Digg down the truth, assholes, you'll re-read this in hell.
    • manageMyRights, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A video is inherently 'open source' just like a book or a photograph.
  • helinism, on 10/11/2007, -3/+55I guess the whole voyeur aspect of watching real life situations outweighs plastic boobs and fake tan then. :/
    • f4nt0m4s, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17amen to that
      playboy hasn't been appealing since i was in 6th grade, and the 'look at my fake triple F boobies' days are over
      the porn industry needs to take some advice the music industry didn't and learn how to work with the internet...or die
    • bobcrotch, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4No I'm sorry there is still something very gratify about the objectification of women in this form.

      I love porn because even though all these women say that it's 'okay' and that they feel 'respected' in the end they're just having stuff jammed in their body on camera and having bio-fluids shot all over the place.

      Honestly though that is what porn is, fake boobs, fake tans, fake screams, everything. It's really like a twisted form of classic theater to me so much over acting and so much emphasis and enhancement to all of the main points of interest, like a big flashy costume accept these are just big fleshy costumes.

      I'll keep the fake stuff cuz I have the real thing everywhere else.
    • robdiggity, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9@f4nt0m4s

      I'm sorry, but what in the ***** planet do you live on where the porn industry is in any remote danger of dying?
    • andreo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@robdiggity

      It's not so much that it's going to die. But there are so many people out there that are ready and willing to display them self for free. Hit the news groups and there are gigs upon gigs of amature stuff out there with any topic or fetish that you can think of and a few that you may have never thought of before. These are normally people that are doing this not for a paycheck but because they like doing it.

      To most people watching someone that seem to be enjoying what they are doing is more satisfying then watching someone with bad acting skills. Heck even old porn reviews will sometimes bring up how an actress was so good because she seemed to be enjoying herself, and other reviews would mention how bad a film was because the women in it seemed to be just waiting for the scene to be over with.

      So the big problem is how does an industry that once held all the cards when it came to porn via video tapes (and theaters at one time) no compete with people screaming for others to watch them for free? Especially when the people giving it away are sometimes pretty easy on the eyes.
  • Neukia, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0Yes, most of them aren't providing feeds like http://www.sexbyrss.com to. It's getting old these days.
  • baileyroche, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23bull.

    something tells me that there will always be porn companies around...
    • PATSCRU, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26exactly.

      If there's someone naked somewhere. I want to see it.
    • bobcrotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I know I won't be jerking off while watching the view.

      Porn is probably going to be one of the last forms of media entertainment to survive.
  • meshman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+47What the HELL is Porn 2.0?
  • mythandros, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20I would be glad to assist these struggling porn companies by offering my services free of charge.
    • timusca, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25And I'm sure they'll be happy to serve you up some Herpes free of charge.
    • SirNoobius, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2I am sure they could use you for some gay pr0nation
    • Jwoey, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19i'd do gay porn if they paid me enough. You bet.
    • mythandros, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1@timusca

      [drawl]Herpes, just like momma used to make!![/drawl]
    • SirNoobius, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2that might be because you enjoy the *****
  • funwithscissors, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27dugg for stiff and misspelling pornographers in the title
  • TalkingBanana, on 10/11/2007, -14/+1pron
  • TheFinestShadow, on 10/11/2007, -9/+1I don't think "stiff" is the best word to use in that particular title...
    • PleaseJustDie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I think it fits perfectly.
    • wyattearp, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8like a tossing a hotdog into the grand canyon
  • tommasz, on 10/11/2007, -8/+10Luckily for the pros, the average person is fairly unattractive, particularly when naked. There's no fantasy potential with someone that looks like you do.
    • chaesar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16Maybe YOU, ugly.
    • b3mus3d, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4"the average person is fairly unattractive, particularly when naked."
      :(

      dude, no need to be so blunt about it.
    • Leviathan777, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I've seen way too much extremely hot truly amateur porn to let that comment stand. You are *****.

      After you've seen enough naked people, you realize they look more alike than not. And even the super hot ones are far, far, far more common than you imagine. And at some point, variety and imagination (the brain is the real sex organ) matter more. I'd rather see a 30-something with a c-section scar really, really, really enjoy what she's doing than some lame-ass bimbo show off her fake all-body tan, because there's only one of those who lives near me and is actually likely to have sex with me. So which one do I imagine? And I'd like to see the one that stimulates my imagination.

      Kids today have it so easy! We used to have to hunt through our neighbors trash for porn mags.

  • Saccharin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+36People still pay for porn? Wow.
  • ShorD143, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6that's like saying youtube will destroy movie companies.
    who goes to pornotube anyways?
    • JDoorjam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3RTFA to see the arguments about why amateur vs. professional porn is totally different than amateur vs. professional mainstream tv and movies. Having sex with someone on camera is a lot easier than writing, acting in, directing, producing, sound mixing, and editing video content of any non-negligible length.
    • haynil, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's not quite the same. Making something that is near the caliber or a movie or TV show takes a pretty good amount of time and effort. Not to mention needing to have some decent equipment. In order to make some amateur porn, all you need is a half decent camera. Think about it, porn isn't about the lighting, direction, plot, or acting. All it comes down to is naked people. I also think that it's a bit more widespread than just pornotube. While that particular site may not actually be a thorn in porn's side, I'm sure there are a number of sites that legitimately are.
    • undersky, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1i think that "pornotube" is a misspelling of the site "porntube"

      pornotube is mostly spam while porntube is actually a youtube-like site.
  • mrsteve0, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Porn on the internets, when did this happen?
  • Makubex, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Stiff competition... You animal!
  • KnightMareInc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1lol he said stiff
  • bwilliams80, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1buried for 2.0 buzz word
  • 355spider, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Porn is dying thanks to the internet, yet Hustler released their fastest selling DVD ever about two months ago ? http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2007-06-06/tera-patricks-new-dvd-sets-sales-record-at-hustler

    I think there is a bit of sensationalism going on here.

    I know a lot of the big video companies were late on the train, but this doesn't mean they are losing any business now. A lot of the amateur content/low quality that was shot while the internet porn industry was booming in the late nineties/early 00's doesn't compare to the huge budget releases on video and DVD, mainly because of the stars. The internet now has created a lot more pornstars who are crossing over between markets and as shown by Playboy buying Adult.com, the video companies are now making alliances to get their high quality content into the already established webmaster bases and programs that exist.

    For example Zero Tolerance launching ZTOD.com or Anabolic with their official sites. As soon as the video companies launch they can put their entire back catalogues online and outweigh sites that have been on the internet for 5+ years. I think we will start to see decline in the one-man operations running pornsites, and instead a lot more big companies getting involved with webmasters promoting them via affiliate schemes instead. Hell, sites like PornoTube are ran by companies like this anyway (Pornotube being AEBN, one of the few networks to support the sheer amount of bandwidth that site is using), they are huge traffic generators... and where there is traffic, there is money to be made.
  • jaybienweb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10"Now, the industry is fighting to maintain growth"

    Growth.

    Methinks I'm a little too old to be laughing at that.

    But I did.
  • Ub3rg33k, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Porn has been around for how long now and they're only up to rev. 2.0? Geez. Sounds like someone needs a new dev. team.
  • coustoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3People don't get it, Its all convenience and usuability, If I know theres a one stop shop website where I can get any video then I will pay to have access to that content.

    I already hate having to go to each TVs network website and navigate their horrible layout to see if they have an episode of the series i want to watch.

    I have no problems watching adverts or paying a reasonable monthly fee, but the site better have great search and access to all the content i want with great speed, quality and site usuability.

    Unfortunatly until companies realize this is what users want, sales will continue to spiral downwards.
  • f4nt0m4s, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Randal Graves: "What's the point of having an Internet connection if you're not using it to look up weird, *****-up pictures of dirty sex you'd never have yourself?"
    • bubbadoo989, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There in lies the challenge... you watch porn because your wife/girlfriend would never do such things... yet, f(*&^& the same chick for 10, 15, 20 years, well, it gets old. The key is to use porn to guide... sure, there are some really rank acts, but let's face it, having a slut in the bedroom and a woman in the rest of the house is the way most men want it.

      But, be careful... porn will desensitize.
  • arsemaster, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2300+ gigs and counting and it only costs HDD space. GayTorrents.net FTW!!!!
  • Sithlrd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"'People are making movies in their houses and dragging and dropping them,' CEO of adult payment processing site GoGoBill.com Harvey Kaplan told the New York Times. "

    Which is why we need a tiered internet. Fat, ugly chicks get dialup. Hot sweaty MILFs get fiber.
  • SpaceParanoids, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2An industry insider was quoted lamenting, "It's video[-sharing sites], Dude. Now that we're competing with those damn amateurs, we can't afford to invest in the little extras like story, production value, feelings."
  • thedarkrabbit, on 10/11/2007, -7/+4What's pROnography?
  • gerharder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3microsoft porn for windows
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niurf29VfXc
  • victorman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0...um.. just go here http://www.handjerkerhelper.com/ - it will make your head pop...
  • jendeb2010, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It's a fact... most of the technology needed to create quality porn can be purchased by a lot of people these days...

    Then you have porn insiders trying to earn some extra juice by turning around and teaching others how to get in on the game...

    http://www.howtomakeadultvideos.com

    ...and the industry wonders why they're losing money!
    • unselftitled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It's a fact... the fat girl wants more money.

      I love KITH
  • cevil203, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1good thing riaa isnt after porn shared in p2p! DEATH TO RIAA
  • unselftitled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How about Pepsi and Sharpie logos painted onto the backs and breasts of porn stars. Well... I guess it would be more likely to be shameless products like loan re-financing or snorg t-shirts instead though. That's the only way I can see there being free, full length porn.
  • Cro8ianSens8ion, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Most if not everything is moving towards e-commerce. It is inevitable. But I still think that the porn industry will keep making DVDs cuz not EVERYONE is going to download full length films off the internet. There will always be people that find comfort in things like DVDs versus computers.
  • TexanPsycho, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3So this is what all these rounded corners were about.
  • skrowl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Could have something to do with the fact that easy access to commercial porn has lead to mass desensitization. No longer are people satisfied with girl/guy, girl/girl, etc. Now it has to be amateur, shot with a $299 Sony Handicam in some bar's bathroom or involve some kind of niche (BDSM, Extra-hardcore, gang bang, or Illegal stuff) or people are just too bored of it.

    Down with boring distro porn at $29.99 / DVD, up with free (yet grainy as hell with terrible sound) porn created by the masses for the masses!
  • TheBlindGuy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Dugg for the "stiff" compitition pun.
  • caddyalan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I was thinking this article was about imageboards...
  • JOHNDX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I just like looking at the purdy pictures.
  • stevewmn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My guess is that amateur porn will knock the bottom end out of the porn industry and they'll have to go for quality and star performers instead of just grinding out crap titles with "here today, gone tomorrow" performers. They should be (and are) getting some of their hottest performers on the 'net in teaser videos or still photo shoots to establish them as stars, then selling DVDs of those stars through their current channels. Why sell DVDs instead of just going with commercial websites? You can pay cash for DVDs and store them discretely. But you can't always hide your web browsing habits from parents, spouses or employers.
  • Nemphtis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the links folks, I shall be leaving the internet a wiser and happier man tonight!
  • ctishman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Honestly, what Skrowl said about mass-desensitization was correct. I used to be interested in that stuff, but years and years later, oily fake-tan silicone dolls groaning and writhing around on each other don't do it anymore. Pornography as it stands in the U.S. is utterly disconnected from intimacy.

    It's just people *****, and that's the problem.

    ***** is boring. ***** is passé. I want to see intimacy. Love, laughter, passion, and then maybe some *****. Oddly enough, now that I'm older than 15, I find no appeal in sex without context. It's the love (or reasonably good simulation thereof) that's arousing, not the beef injection.
    • cevil203, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"It's just people *****, and that's the problem"

      WTF?
  • plonk420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24chan camwhores that take requests are somewhat cutting edge... (granted they're not fugly)
  • l31101, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0I'll cheggit out
  • JohnnyXmas, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Stiff.

    Hilarious.

    Tard.
  • beerpong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1when you can shoot, edit, and upload a dvd's worth of content a week like nubiles.net does, the decline in dvd sales is no surprise.
  • bkral6, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0"Only a sucker pays for porn".

    One of the problems with these big youtube "porn clones" is that you have videos of older regular people having sex alongside videos of all the hotties having sex. Unless they're categorized you could hurt your eyes.

    http://www.freepornvideos69.com/category/amature/

  • Riffraffs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1five years ago I was making 10k a month from 20 simple porn sites, now I'm luck to get twenty bucks in a month.
    • azAZ09, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Ooops! better call the Waaaambulance.
    • Riffraffs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4not complaining, business is business. one thing isn't working anymore, on to the next. I was just making the point it's a bitch to make a buck on porn "when the milk is free who's gonna pay for a cow"
  • zai-asal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Blah check out http://www.megarotic.com/video instead of the YouTube clones.
  • PjsPjs, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2"...
    "We use good-quality lighting and very good sound," Red Light District president David Joseph told the New York Times, yet the company reports a sales drop of 30 percent over the last two years.
    ..."

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    wipes eyes

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  • Angirus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1At least with home-made video people don't repeatedly spit on each other. WTF is with that in porn these days?
  • PjsPjs, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1"...
    Creating amateur TV content is significantly harder than creating amateur pornography
    ..."

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    • Rayfound, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So... what exactly was the point of that comment?
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