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- SnowSurfns, on 10/12/2007, -8/+97it really sucks that the US governement is swayed so easily by big corporations with no proof.
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -4/+84Replying to myself here, didn't have time to add this in the 3 minute edit window.
Unlike under US and British law, the Swedish government is only allowed to influence POLICY, but is not in any way allowed to influence public servants, such as the police, in any one specific case. They can call on the police focus more on copyright infringement, but they can't tell them to go after The Pirate Bay. This is constitutionally mandated in order to prevent political corruption.
Or more simply put...
Ever seen a cop show where the chief of police says something along the lines of:
"Damnit, McBain! The governor is on my ass about the Murdoch case!"
In Sweden that would be illegal behavior on the part of the governor. - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72Perhaps it was not a DDOS attack but just lots of "concerned netizens" trying to find out what the heck is going on?
- Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -2/+67This is what I don't like abgout the WTO and other IP regimes. Carrot and stick approach ends up screwing over countries like Sweden which aren't bought and paid for by lobbyists.
- Zaldabus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63Pirate Bay itself does not have any illegal material. Though the vast majority of the bit torrents being tracked by their servers are illegal, Pirate Bay itself is not the one responsible for such activity.
And people are not rallying because the site was shut down. They're rallying because it was shut down in an illegal manner due to pressures from forces outside the country. Learn your facts before you make any kind of statement. - CatfishJones, on 10/12/2007, -4/+54@RadiantBeing
Without activity logs that show violation of copyright, there is no proof. Popular perception may sometimes be true but it is never proof. - Olain, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52Pirate Bay is doing nothing wrong. They are just a search engine. Go after the seeders if you want to shut things down. Shutting down pirate bay will just make 2 more open up somewhere else.
- marillion, on 10/12/2007, -5/+50How long before someone uses the words, "Rogue State" to describe Sweden?
- jfox00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43You must be trolling --- and I have to bite.
Who said anything about a piracy site? Do you know what bit torrent is? The Pirate Bay is a bit torrent tracker. Is it possible that a torrent links to copyrighted material? Yes. Just like its possible for a pedophile to access child porn on the Internet. Do you shut down the Internet? Of course not. The problem is that many people DO attribute bit torrent with piracy (which is exactly what the **AA wants) - and that is totally, completely, undeniably false. - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37You're really on a childporn kick there Hypertime. Are you speaking from experience? Are you no longer allowed to go into playgrounds and you're hoping someone will appeal on your behalf?
I think this is my inaugural personal flame on digg, but jesus fellah, shut the ***** up with the child porn ***** already - they're not analogous so move on. - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33"In Sweden that would be illegal behavior on the part of the governor."
I think we need "I Wish I Lived In Sweden" T-shirts. We could put the words underneath TPB logo. - dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Yay, hopefully this results in a backlash that pushes them further from obeying the MAFIAA. It sort of reminds me of the Sony Rootkit deal--do something big and broad enough and you upset the masses.
- CGreen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33"Damnit, McBain! Did you eat my cheese puffs again!"
- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29It comes up with a page saying they will be up in a day or two. Stop being paranoid.
- zeth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26The Swedish Pirate Party has suddenly increased dramatically. Wonder why..
http://www2.piratpartiet.se/partiet/medlemsstatistik - DudeMacfarlane, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Not really. There were Linux distros and freeware on the site as well. It just depends on what torrent was uploaded to the servers.
- jneiger01, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32i believe his comment was a throwback to a line in Anchorman
- 7IM80, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24@snowsurfins
The US government is run by big corporations. - john570, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25"Damnit, McBain! The governor is on my ass about the Murdoch case!
In Sweden that would be illegal behavior on the part of the governor. "
Wow... Wish I lived in Sweden. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24You can go back to slashdot now; no one's stopping you from leaving.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19If swedish geeks didn't hate american geeks already, millixaw, they do now... Thanks, buddy.
- jschunick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20I think i should move to sweden. They actually have balls.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I love it how they're seeing the DDOS as being a "broadside attack". Perhaps pirate party members being elected would be..."boarding the ship". Government could be "seizing the ship".
- LukeD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Its not a "piracy" site. Yes it was used for torrenting, we all know that. BUT. There were also a lot of legal torrents listed on there, and the actual manner in which they were set up meant that they weren't necessarily breaking any Swedish law themselves (As I understand it, it used to be legal to tell people where to get copyrighted (copywritten?) material could be found if you weren't hosting it yourself, now its a little more unclear). Comparisons to paedophiles are ridiculous and rapidly becoming as overused as nazi analogies.
- ApeWare, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Google is a search engine. You can use google to locate servers that have illegal mp3's for download as well as lyrics that are also considered copyright material. Do you think for a second that anyone is going to raid Google and take all their servers away?
I think not.
In the simplest of terms PB is a search engine like google. Helping a person find what they are looking for (illegal or not) should not put the messenger in jail or out of business. We are talking about distributing information not copyrighted material. - Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Here's an article with a bit more about the constitutionality aspect of the raid that was mentioned in the summary but not the ArsTechnica article that was just about the Denial of Service attack.
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3969&date=20060602 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"(jealous of) Americans"
There is absolutely NOTHING to be jealous of in America, including the people that live there. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't born there, I really do. - jesuspchrist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I always love these copyright cases, regardless of where they originate. While some may think TPB has a snowball's chance in hell of overcoming this, TPB probably will. This case is not only about copyright, but it also is a challenge to the influence of the US Government. Just think, if it comes out that the US played a hand in this, It could turn the case towards TPB, sort of as a "***** you" to the US and to show that Europe, unlike the UK wont bow the the pressure of the American Corporate Government.
- fuzzytoad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@cliffzdude
I don't download pirated movies. I *DO* care about Pirate Bay being raided, particularly the manner in which they were raided.
If you were doing something perfectly legal in your home. Something that may be illegal in another country, or state or even another city and the authorities came into your house because you "might" be doing something illegal, they just don't know what. They need to confiscate all your belongings, search your house and arrest you first. Then they'll know if you were doing something illegal or not. They didn't have any just cause, or even any witnesses. They just got pressured into disrupting your life because someone in another country, state or city was upset that you were doing something that's illegal where they live.
Pirate Bay is *NOT* just about movies, or music or games or whatever else the media wants to focus this event on.
The more people let the **AA's get away with this kind of BS, the closer we get to a time when police come smashing in your front door because you might be watching a DVD or listening to a CD with too many friends in your house. - FreakTrap, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Mabey not the US government, but you can bet that the MPAA and RIAA were putting pressure on the Swedish government via US politicians and lawyers.
- Gideon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Sweden is awesome,we have all the hot chicks :) but to the point, that being that the reason people are upset is because the US is interfering, its always nice to see that US interests goes above Swedish law, and of course its illegal but I don't care, it just pisses me of that the US can force every country to do what they want.
- judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13No, as you can clearly see from the attached presentation, it's Finland who has the balls. As for Sweden, well....
http://home.online.no/~gmorgan/jokes/index_euro-coin.htm - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Hypertime is obviously a misinformed "sheep" that the RIAA/MPAA just love to feed - so leave him alone now to ponder on his own demise, we all know TPB wasn't breaking Swedish law, but was breaking U.S. law - now the question is, why were they shut down? Probably Senator Hatch and his goons are at the bottom of this, we'll soon see!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14its not about piracy or pirate bay.
its about monopoly over the creation of the content some people think they own
ThePirateBay and others just fit in the gap those anti-talents created time before by riding the popularity of upcoming digital media
Come on, go to download.com and get some really good music - for free, because artists want that! - ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18A quote from Anchorman: buried.
Misunderstanding the quote: buried.
An explanation of the quote for that one guy that didn't get it, even though no one else thought it was funny: dugg!
The mob blows my mind sometimes. - JayWright, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@millixaw - Who in their right mind is not into blondes? ^5
- sosuke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is in the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
see the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_%28United_States%29 for details - RCourtney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@bonchbonch
Cry me a bloody river for those actors and musicians who make millions and millions of dollars for the equivalent of overpriced manure in many cases. I mean, they add so many realistically important things to our lives for those millions right? Especially compared to policemen, firemen, paramedics, nurses, teachers, etc who make how much? And the shills they sign up with to dictate the prices for them and take a huge cut plus triple-digit profit margins never over-charge or lobby for laws to enforce their broken business model right? If you want to be ideological at least have a leg to stand on. - Oddball_One, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The Sad reality is that the World, not just the MPAA, RIAA, and ultra conservatives need to understand DATA is always going to be free. No matter what P2P people use. First it was Napster, then Kazaa, Limewire,etc. Now BitTorrent See a trend? The powers that be need to get a clue and figure a BETTER way to distribute their stuff.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"DO NOT EVER upset the masses."
Our own US government has upset the American masses on a scale greater than a bunch of Swedes who need their warez kick... and nothing has really happened yet. Mostly due to apathy. - dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9more balls than most murkens i have to say - here the mafiaa is fleecing li'l kids and grandmas right under the govt's nose and they seem to have their eyes and ears shut...
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Newsflash - Sweden isn't part of the USA.
- judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14@Zaldabus
"Pirate Bay itself does not have any illegal material. Though the vast majority of the bit torrents being tracked by their servers are illegal, Pirate Bay itself is not the one responsible for such activity."
That's true, however such activity is why the site exists. Testing the validity of their position in court is an interesting action.
"And people are not rallying because the site was shut down. They're rallying because it was shut down in an illegal manner due to pressures from forces outside the country. Learn your facts before you make any kind of statement."
I agree that this is a major concern and support the cause, but I'm quite sure the majority response is still "waah, they took away my warez". Your faith in the political awareness of warez kiddies is misplaced. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7 I'm one of those Americans that are pissed off about this. I would love to go to
Sweden, to stay, for good. - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Maybe you've missed my previous posts on the matter. The content distribution associations have declared war on everyone else. Piracy is just a means of fighting back. If my enemies go to bed hungy, that is a good thing. If they happen across something pretty in the course of their lives, I want it, and don't see any moral dilemma in taking it without compensating them for it. If they paid someone for making it, I don't care if those people stay fed either.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I can think of one off of the top of my head: ABBA.
- Conky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Someone earlier said it best... TPB points to material, Google points to material. Why is one being raided and the other is not? What if the only content I "pirate" is TV shows that I cannot get in my country. Where is the lost revenue when I watch a show that I would otherwise not been able to watch? The US Gov needs to spit out the corporate ***** in its mouth and get back to principals and leave the corporate greed game. The US can make Swedish police raid TPB but they cannot do anything against genocide in Africa, oh that's right, those are just poor blacks who mean nothing to them.
- birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Considering what the US did to Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan and now getting ready to do in Iran, all in the name of world peace and counter terrorism, it probably is.
But honestly I don't blame the American people. Yet I do blame us Europeans for playing along. - RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7makes me want to display the pirates bay flag on my boat....if only i had a boat
- mikal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If The Pirate Bay walk away winning this case, the law will be changed to erase those "grey areas" in Swedish law anyway. The copyright laws are no longer dictated by a discussion in ethics, but rather money interest (Check out the history of the "death N years" expiry dates of copyright). That makes it pointless to say "but it was illegal so it is wrong." One of the reasons The Pirate Bay and Piratpartiet was started was to be a propaganda machine that can point out the current state of lunacy plaguing current copyright law. So far they seem to be on a roll in Sweden, but I doubt they can win against those ***** in IFPI and the *AA.
Oh, by the way... You know that writing "Sweeden" and "Sweedish" when discussing Sweden sounds just as smart as writing "Teexas" and "Teexan" when discussing Texas? -
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